nov 24th
one summer some years ago, it was 1991 or 1992, i vacationed in kauai. it was one of my most memorable vacations because i read two of the most beautiful and touching works of modern fiction i have come across: kazuo ishiguro's 'remains of the day' and amitav ghosh's 'shadow lines'. both masterpieces, intimate and heart-breaking first-person narratives.
ishiguro seems to have gone from strength to strength; his latest book 'when we were orphans' has received good reviews. i have been disappointed in amitav ghosh. his 'glass palace' was awkward and stilted, although informative. that's when i stopped reading his work. is it because these people live in the bizarre world of the 'secular progressive' that the rot affects their fine minds and their fiction too? vikram chandra, mukul kesavan, amitav ghosh -- all to a lesser or greater extent self-hating indians.
has anybody read the new ishiguro, or for that matter the new ghosh, something about the river dolphin?
also, there was a kqed forum with vikram seth and his biography of his uncle and aunt. anyone read this?
26 comments:
They are not self-hating Indians. They hate you and me, but not themselves. Think of them as similar to converts to Islam who hate Hindus. Would you call them self-hating or Hindu-hating? In this case, they converted into Marxism and hate Indic religions.
I think you said something like India's economy being 1/6th the size of China, not 1/3. Maybe China is ahead of India because it is atheist like you, san.
here you are asserting about indian economy being 1/3 the size of china, whereas in bharat-rakshak forum you are doubting this claim. so which version of yours should we believe, san?
can we assist US in getting to central asia oil through china, san? that way the US will give up pakistan as a route to central asia, as per your strange theory. how is the idea, san?
gr8 views of iran, san. what makes you think iran is going to roll over when US attacks them? ever heard of a country called iraq, which has 1/3 the size of iran's population and was sanctioned for more than a decade? the US is doing a fine job in iraq. they would be doing a finer job in iran.
Dear Rajiv:
Can you look into the fact, how many top leaders of communist parties are Muslim? I bet hardly any. Why is it that? because finding a Muslim communist will be like finding life on jupiter.
I agree with the plucky Anonymous who has posed some incisive questions to San .(almost similar to the scene in Woody Allen's 'Annie Hall'!)
San almost sounds like the brit when he glibly talks about redrawing the borders of re..re..drawn borders!A scientific mind, free from clutter like 'God and stuff' ought to know that countries and borders are truly speaking, seamless!
america certainly has forfeited its non existent moral right to be the policeman of the world.
Abraham Lincoln was spiritual enough to grasp the truth as, prior to the civil war,when one of his aides overconfidently said :-
"We will win as God is on our side", Lincoln replied:-
"No,I want to ensure I am on God's side".
yes, san's house in california or wherever he is sitting in the US needs to have its borders redrawn. If he is progressive, tech-savvy, rational, atheist as he claims he is, then he won't react. whereas if he is irrational like those ayatollahs and mullahs, then he will react.
if people are interested in more of stupid san's views, they can read it at bharat-rakshak forum, where he posts his strange theories about everything under the sun and the sun itself, as Sanjay M
But what exactly has San said that is so objectional or so wrong ???
Or may be because he is atheist ??
Anonymous ight above ,
Good one!
To add more to DarkStorm's comments about idol worship....
Isn't it ironical that those who deride 'Idol Worship' themselves lumber around carrying their perishable bodies,which are nothing but useless "dust that invariably turns into dust" , which are pampered and made up untiringly?
doubtinggaurav, san can be whatever he is, atheist or otherwise. It is when these atheist types try to make a virtue out of it and pontificate to others (hindus) and carry an air around them. if you read several of san's strange theories here and in bharat-rakshak, you will notice he seems to have america's interests in mind, over india's. I have come accross several indians, guess of the macaulay type, who have sold their souls down the river, and try to curry favor with their white masters. they mouth their inanities everywhere and try to put all the blame on indians(read hindus) for all the current problems we face.
Thank God for the few 'Unconquered' like
Anonymous above, DarkStorm, myself(Kalyani) and some other kindred minds who may or may not comment.
Kapidhwaja too!
Anon,
I am a theist and I dont find San pontificating.
In fact I find him one of the more nuanced reader of this blog.
He prefers US to China or Ummah,
while I admit US is hardly a utopia, I will pick US anytime over our neighbours.
I dont think he has American interests over Indian interest.
It is just a co-incindence that in many cases american self interest is similiar to Indian self interest.
Considering this, it is logical and more benificial to India to work with Americans.
However, one thing that I am clear about (and most probably san will be too) is Indian interest come before anything else US or Japan.
If I have to oppose america, I will not hesitate, but it will be on basis of issues not just for sake of opposing or because I hate US
Regards
San,
That was what I said in last line in previous post.
Unfortunately many people who have Indian interest in mind (B. Raman of rediff for instance) fall for this Anti- American/Anti-Imperialism/Da Man temptation.
Regards
San,
"Tip some stones farther uphill"..?!
Better our energies are profitably spent in clearing our backyard instead of becoming american coolies "tipping" stones and hauling boulders.
My mind is no devil's workshop hatching 'plots and strategies'.I firmly believe and know Virtue (Dharmam) alone triumphs in the long run!
It is not our business to harness the "passion and zeal" of those who have never asked us to guide them which of course ought to be preceded by heavy doses of apologies and genuflections and repaying of our 'dues'!
Their "india bashing" only served to whip up my legitimate anger and never left any scars or welts or wounds!
'They' don't really command my respect so why should you don their 'spokesperson's hat' to demand it....desperately coining new labels,like "intentional conspiracy" vs "criminal negligence"(elsewhere in this blog sometime back,nevertheless engaged in the same job of whitewashing the whiteman's not so lily pure deeds!)
"convert the India-baiting Atlanticists into cautious Indo-philes"(lol we are not converting churchians) .....ah yes you are talking through your hat!
It is Rama Baanam that I am cozier with than judo or pugilism.
San says
"Lincoln didn't fight to liberate Southern Slaves because he wanted to stay in God's good graces. He fought to liberate slaves because that was a good pretext to wage a crusade against the secessionists who were about to depart with a large chunk of his country. Sort of like Bush occupying Iraq to stop Saddam's "WMD".
Take off that american gulami hat to understand something so simple and crystal clear!
Abraham Lincoln was protecting His country,right? Did not invade Iraq labelling it "liberation to foist democracy"!
What WMD are you talking about?
Maybe you have flaked out donning the same worn out hat!!
DarkStorm,
I completely agree with you.
I feel this 'caste card', introduced by the brits first, got well entrenched by the brown spawns, who sedulously use it to continue with their oppression...o..k.. rule.
To be unabashedly honest, I have never in my life given it a thought even in my dreams as my parents and grandparents were similarly guileless.
Ironically the 'didactic caste card playing' close relatives (SIC)have been the wreckers of my life.
I never carried any caste or language chauvinism burden to go through the motions of "liberating" myself!
I reiterate what Swami Vivekananda says:-
"Judge a man by his virtues".
m and christist anons deliberately refer to it to disarm and dent our unity and strength.They are not ignorant,rather,excessively crafty!
Darkstorm,
Again I have not seen San indulging in slanging match so I am not sure what are you talking about.
Also, I have not seen him ridiculing other beliefs, his points seems reasoned and well researched.
What you are calling solidarity in my view is abandoment of arguements.
Debates are one of cornerstones of Hinduism along with skepticism and you are eschewing it.
This in my view is not a good sign.
Regarding your points against secularists/communist I have never seen San say things you are implying he said
Absolutely.Right alone is right and not might.
I am astounded the way people underestimate the power and glory of Dharmam (Righteousness or Virtue).
Bhagavan Himself emphatically declares "The entire Universe is my Ashramam"; also His first priority is protection (Raksha)of the oppressed, meek, exploited and the good; annihilation of the wicked or evil comes effortlessly to Him; hence it does not take precedence over the former.
People like, you-know-who,that practise the art of deception in the name of God ,charging money and doing much more(I am not going to dwell on them) having the gall to anoint themselves purveyors of Hindu Vedic Dharmam, do no small harm in debilitating Hindus.They have no qualms hobnobbing with Hindu inimicals
justifying it brazenly as 'all-in-the-family' treacly sermons!
The 'multiple rs' travelled to Iraq peddling his 'breath bellowing' claiming
it would help Iraqis to breathe peacefully in the face of arterial bombardment!!
Unfortunately, the intellectual calibre of the contemporary masses is so picayune...that they retort thumbing their bloodied noses with "so what"?!!!
A sample of the remarks made by multiple rs ....
When our Sri Kanchi Shankaracharyar was "arrested" he said...
"He should have been careful about the kind of people he allowed inside the Kanchi Matham".Oh yeah?As careful as the
"merchant of nirvana" who is serenaded by nagma (dawood's paramour)etc etc.
Remember he also blows hot and cold...he has also said.."Rama should be in our hearts ...why bother about a temple...".
My question is .."aaaap ithna kyoon muskuraarahehain? kya dubious cheez hai jisko chuparahehain"?
Hope my Hindi is propah!
for a moment i thought 'rs' was yours truly. but then it dawned on me that kalyani meant sri sri ravi shankar.
kalyani, i have a humble request for you. please don't bash sri sri or mata amritanandamayi or any of the other sincere gurus just because you are a devotee of sri jayendra saraswati. if you want, bash the 'congress sankaracharya' or the 'fake sankaracharya' or any of the millions of fake christist godmen.
i say this as someone who has defended sri jayendra saraswati to the best of my ability, and i have great respect for him. in fact, he has been targeted precisely because he is the most progressive leader among the shakaracharyas. and he is causing heartburn to christists in terms of their ability to meet their conversion quotas among harijans. therefore he had to be done in: tejovadham, murder of his spirit.
DarkStorm,
rs stands for ravi shankar.
Nizhal Yoddha,
There is actually more to it than meets the eye about this art of living cultist.Contrary to your opinion I am not "bashing" somebody just because I slot myself as somebody's devotee.I am devoted to the Truth,period.
People like you, in your laudable attempts at salvaging 'Hinduism' prejudice yourselves refusing to pay heed to what goes on at Puttaparthi or art of living groups.Mata,is actually being 'used' by vested interests....oh it is so convoluted I have no time to go into details.
As I had posted earlier my imputation is informed and not based on any vague newspaper reports.
Charitable activities are the most convenient smokescreens.Also if the government abdicates itself of its responsibilities of taking care of housing,healthcare and allied activities and indulges in 'secular loot' of Hindu temples,something is SERIOUSLY wrong and needs thorough overhauling.These ad hoc patchworks are not the answers.
As one Prasank beamed "he has diverted money from Mallya to spend on others"....it is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss!
Sanathana Dharmam is not some rickety,crotchety thing that requires polemical defenders.It is when these cultists define God and Hinduism to the gullible and you refer to them as "Gurujis" that I cannot but express the truth.
The greatest charity that one can do is "BrahmaVidhya or AathmaVidhya Dhaanam" .
The cultists are misleading people as this is certainly not Vedhantham(synonymous with Hinduism)
About your listening to recorded Vedic Chants and Gayathri Manthram too I had wanted to post some very important advice (as advised by a Veda Ghanapaadigal) but did not.I guessed right that you are ultra touchy and might hastily conclude I am nitpicking!
As is said in 'Katha Upanishad' the path is as sharp as razor's edge.I have the noblest intentions in my heart;hence these fearless comments.
By the way who is congress and fake s?
DarkStorm,
I had actually used the word rs to mean repetitive syndrome;I swear on Lord Parameshwara,it turned out to be a serendipitous pun!
DarkStorm,
Well...Darkstorm can also stand for Glorious Sunshine!!
Anyway,about the cult leader....I cannot write everything in detail; he has different strokes for different followers....quite shrewd that way.
Those belonging to middle class, stressed out, (who isn't?) spend their meagre resources, in the hope of the quickfix,instant- result giving 'God'...like cure of ailments ....you know....! When singed badly, negationism and self loathing creep in; are afraid to make a clean break and divulge all for fear of facing 'I-told -you-so' barbs back at home
from well wishers.It is a vicious circle.Any lack of tangible results is attributed to "lack of adequate faith,surrender and doubts"...!!(deja vu?)
Those who have no money to pay are offered repayable 'loans'(to access the All Pervading God??!!).Some of the
gandhian activities the suckers are requested to do.....washing of toilets,washing vessels .....you can guess.
The 'followers' on returning home would not clean a teaspoon,which is eloquent enough; instead 'work' on other reluctant and wary people around, dangling some alluring 'promises and results'.
The besotted followers return home with ayurvedic drugs packaged in similar ways as his mentor's (TM ....).
You find them knocking on doors with pamphlets,almost like you know who.
When a bold and disenchanted dissenter
asked for receipts and complained about mismangement and siphoning of money, the ever hovering lynchmen gave all 'threats and warnings' in typical
movie style.The 'leader' was smiling his well practised smile!
What little I have written is based on
true first hand reports.My very close relative was bought lock ,stock and barrel.
Remember,"nobody ever kicks a dead dog".That explains why some people are acceptable to all and garlanded while a few good men are hounded, silenced "arrested" or vilified as "pretentious
Kalyani"!
Kalyani,
We have got an important thing to learn from sri sri ( or from else where) , trust me on this.
Have you been as religious as I guess you would like to be :) I write this because you couldn't recognize something obvious.
regards
Regards
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