Saturday, November 19, 2005

economist: world in 2026

nov 19th

sorry, premium content so i cant provide the whole thing, charts and all

but here's the relevant comment:

"If countries’ economies are measured using market exchange rates (the rates at which firms trade and repatriate profits), in 2026 America will remain comfortably the world’s number one, according to long-range forecasts by the Economist Intelligence Unit. It will still account for more than one-quarter of global output, twice as much as second-placed China, which will itself have comfortably overtaken Japan.

But when countries are compared using purchasing-power parity rates (PPP), which adjust for price differences between countries and reflect the actual buying power of local income, China overtakes America in about 2017. Though far from perfect, PPP is a better way of comparing economic size. By this measure, in 2026 India will be the third-biggest economy, well behind America but far ahead of Japan. Indeed, by then youthful India will be growing faster than an ageing China."


san said...

Haha, Rajeev, the ugly consequences of the command-economy stuntsmanship will catch up with China. As the beleaguered smaller number of youth are struggling to pay the bills for the large mass of aged, then you'll see some ugly rebellion. And don't forget that all this one-childedness is skewing the gender ratio, since their pro-abortionist policy is a convenient channel for female infanticide.

Now here is where you can cry "lock up your daughters!"

Meanwhile, read this link about how India is already the promised land for some young British jobseekers:

Indian kids may want to be Arabs, but NRI kids and British kids may actually want to be Indian!

san said...

Chinese Scooter manufacturer will be opening up shop in W.Bengal:

Haha! This is an interesting paradox! If the feisty labour unions decide to strike, as they did at that Gurgaon plant, then will our Maoists be screaming "down with China!"

So maybe we need to allow more joint tie-ups with Chinese manufacturers and even rope them in for Special Economic Zones. It's no different than Chinese IT firms courting Indian firms for learning purposes. I really want to know if our Indian labour activists will shake their angry fists at China.
Why, we should even get family cronies of Beijing Communist Party leaders to participate in such tie-ups in India.

Really, how would our Maoist labour activists react? It's a question worth asking.

Anonymous said...

manofsan, how may times do you want me to read your comments? I hope you are not posting these comments under sanman at JihadWatch too. Just kidding.

Anonymous said...

Why India will (probably) never catch China
The other day I linked to an interesting article and matching review on the relative growth rates of India and China. The authors concluded that India's more transparent court system and their democratic apparatus plus the existence of significant home-grown Indian industries made them more likely to catch China than most people thought.

China and India have pursued radically different development strategies. India is not outperforming China overall, but it is doing better in certain key areas. That success may enable it to catch up with and perhaps even overtake China. Should that prove to be the case, it will not only demonstrate the importance of homegrown entrepreneurship to long-term economic development; it will also show the limits of the FDI-dependent approach China is pursuing. I disagree on human biodiversity grounds.

However, I am not basing my decision primarily on the oft-quoted IQ data from Richard Lynn. Lynn cites studies in which India's mean IQ has been measured to be in the 80's, while China and Hong Kong have been variously measured to be all over the map, from 98 to 110 (!). As I've said before, the problem with IQ is that it is not measured in physical units (like height, for example), and so it is difficult to compare measurements made across space and time.

That said, I do put some credence in the Chinese measurements as being comparable to or greater than European mean scores, because of the following convergent pieces of evidence:

Chinese coracialists have built technological economies on a country-scale in Singapore and Taiwan. Related groups like the Koreans and Japanese have likewise been successful.
The Chinese diaspora in the US (and elsewhere) has been very economically and academically successful
The "Asians > Europeans" in mean IQ figure has been replicated in numerous countries
So for the Chinese, all the IQ signposts point in the same direction. As for India, I'm with Steve Sailer when he says:

The IQ structures of the two giga-countries, China and India, demand more intense study, in part because the future history of the world will hinge in no small part on their endowments of human capital. The demography of India is especially complex due to its caste system, which resembles Jim Crow on steroids and acid. By discouraging intermarriage, caste has subdivided the Indian people into an incredible number of micro-races. In India, according to the dean of population genetics, L.L. Cavalli-Sforza, "The total number of endogamous communities today is around 43,000..." We know that some of those communities - such as the Zoroastrian Parsees of Bombay - are exceptionally intelligent.
But we can't say with any confidence what is the long run IQ potential of Indians overall. Their current IQ score (81) is low, especially compared to China (100), the other country with hundreds of millions of poor peasants. Yet, keep in mind just how narrow life in rural India was for so long. In 1952, on the fifth anniversary of independence, the Indian government commissioned a survey to find out if the average Indian villager had heard yet that the British had gone. The study was quietly cancelled when early results showed that the average villager had never heard that the British had ever arrived!

It appears likely that some combination of malnutrition, disease, inbreeding, lack of education, lack of mental stimulation, lack of familiarity with abstract reasoning and so forth can keep people from reaching their genetic potential for IQ.

A little more detail - the Indian mean IQ figures need further study for several reasons:

The only study since 1968 was of 569 youths in 1996
As Sailer said, the genetic stratification imposed by the caste system means that large samples of various castes need to be sampled and tested to get a true picture of India's (likely multimodal) IQ landscape.
The Indian diaspora has been spread all over the world, with varying results.
The diaspora is worth a post in its own right...suffice to say that the type of South Asian immigrant (unskilled, middle class, or professional) is quite important in predicting the prosperity of the resulting diasporic population. In other words, this outcome variability stands in sharp contrast to the relative homogeneity of the Chinese diaspora, where the descendants of the laborers shipped to Singapore built one of the most powerful economies in the world. The South Asian comparison would be the UAE, which is actually fairly wealthy even without the oil revenue. . But other countries like Mauritius and Fiji have shown only middling success for the Indian emigrants. [1]

The point is that unlike the Chinese, the IQ signposts for Indians do not all point in the same direction. However, I think it is more than likely that a simple caste-based model will explain Indian IQ stratification. After all that foreplay, then, my going assumption is that India's lower castes have substantially lower IQs than the upper castes, because they require racial quotas yet are still in abject poverty. Outside of Hinduism, we know that Sikhs, Parsis, Jains, and some Muslims have attained economic success either in India or overseas.

So, with all this in mind, I think China has many advantages over India , including:

racial and religious homogeneity
no neighbor which is as hostile as Pakistan
a higher GDP and a higher growth rate
no particularly dysgenic trends in birth rate (given the homogeneity of China)
And, of course, the ability of the Communist party to push eugenics/genetic engineering
Also, there is the question of precedent - racially similar Koreans, Chinese, and Japanese have built powerful country-scale economies. Indian diaspora accomplishments are significant, but they are mainly company-scale and individual-scale...and the individuals involved are almost entirely from the upper castes. In my opinion, India's lower castes (easily more than 50% of the population) are incapable of sustaining a technological economy, given that the features of Indian modernization: nuclear weapons, IITs, IT companies, drug companies, etc. are mainly due to Brahmins, particularly South Indian Brahmins.

So will India catch China? Probably not.

A sometimes mentioned caveat is that the measured mean IQ of the Chinese might reflect the intelligence of the coastal Chinese rather than their illiterate rural cousins. However, I doubt that the IQ of the rural population is much lower than that of the coasts, because of two things:

Genetic homogeneity (China is 91% Han) (source)
According to Jason Soon, the super successful Chinese diaspora was mostly landless peasants (e.g. the Hakka in Singapore). (source)

[1] Then again, Mauritius is 30% African, while Singapore's minorities tend to be of higher IQ, so perhaps this is a contributing factor?


Interesting addendum from Lynn, though it does not mention caste, nor the fact that Indians in the UK do better than the native British (while Pakistanis do worse) on a host of societal measures. Caste needs to be included in any future assessment of Indian IQ.

The last entries in Table 1 are for the IQs of Indians derived from the Indian sub-continent, South Africa and Britain. The mean of 86 in India is derived from a review by Sinha (1968) of the results of 17 studies of children aged between 9 and 15 years and totalling in excess of 5,000. Mean IQs lie in the range of 81 to 94, with an overall mean of approximately 86. But ethic Indians in Britain obtain a mean of 96 which is within the range of other Caucasoid populations. Their verbal IQ of 89 is depressed, but this is probably because their families are recent immigrants and have not yet mastered the language. The British results suggest that when Indians is are reared in an economically developed environment their intelligence level is about tile same as that of European Caucasoids. Obviously, if bad nutrition is all that's keeping the lower castes out of jobs, then India might very well contest China. Much depends on how accurate those IQ results are, how multimodal the population really is, what the ratio of the intelligent to unintelligent is, and how many geniuses there are.

san said...

Bush says, 'May God Bless the Christians of China':

What are the people of other faiths - chopped liver?

Anonymous said...

Christist Anonymous Alert! The above post on race, caste and other idiocies is written by the same Christist who has been bashing Hindus in other posts on this blog. There are several clues in his data and his writing. It is intended as another 'caste is bad' and 'Hindus are bad' tirade. The problem with his logic is that he takes IQ tests to be objective and predictors of future success. In this, he follows in the footsteps of William Shockley, physics Nobel Prize winner, who later created theories about the lower IQ of blacks. Needless to say, he became an object of mirth as his data was systematically shown to be culturally-biased. So if Chinese are doing well at (western-biased) IQ tests, maybe they have some similar cultural traits, that's all. This nonsense about 'Chinese-like' people, Koreans and Japanese, is just nonsense. The fact that Chinese immigrants created Singapore is an accident of history, because Singapore is in a geographically good spot. It may be true that Chinese are more greedy and money-minded than other Asians. In this they are most like white European Christians. There may be a Chinese work ethic like the Protestant work ethic which believes in destroying the world for their greed. That would explain why Chinese do well in white-biased IQ tests. And if you are looking for proof by existence, the same 'genetically inferior' Hindus (as per the Christist Anonymous guy) did produce many of the greatest innovations in history, and built the richest society in the world. India accounted for 25% of world GDP in 1750. Both India and China have been victimized by white superiority in weapons (see 'Guns, Germs and Steel' by Jared Diamond). That is the bottom line.

Anonymous said...

First, the first Anonymous wrote an excellent article on why India will never overtake China in the foreseeable future. I wish I had written it and s/he is not the Christist Anonymous. Despite Rajeev's hopes and predictions China has had a headstart and we are (probably) never going to catch up with them. Regarding san's post, Bush signed a guest book in a church that he visited. Surely, you don't do to a temple and sign their guest book with Salaam Aleikum, do you?

Nikhil said...

Looks like Maoputra is back at the blog. - Posting an article that is racist and backing it up with a wish that he had written it. Perhaps he could explain why there are no global Chinese companies and why no Fortune 500 MNC head hails from Mainland China

Anonymous said...

I agree with Christist anonymouse

India's average IQ is very similar to sub-Saharan Afica's (75-85 range) and its per capita GDP of about $700-750 is around the same as Nigeria's and many other countries in the region.

Few thousand brahmin techies in Bangalore dont an economy make

Please dont talk 1750--that was ryot-based agrarian economy, not knowledge economy. And in Mughal period a few hundred Muslim Zamindars controlled 80% of wealth

Deep seated endogamy is one thing that has stunted the Hindu. It has produced a disproportionate number of geniuses in a few castes, but basically screwed the rest. It has also divided him, and made him susceptible to easy conquering.

Malnutrition has contributed too.

Hinduism stands accused for dumbing down the Hindu, making him weak and susceptible to many diseases.

The Muslims are no better--they marry their first cousins generation after generation and make themselves even dumber!

O ye Hindus, come out of the Dark Ages!

having few guys as CEOs is nothing to be proud of.

What has been achieved at COUNTRY scale??

DarkStorm said...


The best would be that Indians be - what else - wannabe Indians. No not the dhoti wearing, paan chewing types.

Well, I would be much happier if Indians , on the whole, are wannabe Americans or wannabe-Brits or Japanese, rather than wannabe Arabs, of all the people on earth. Call me racist if you will, I dont care is another matter, but by Arab I mean, the jehadi types. I doubt if there are any people in the mideast who are not fanatics. Even the so called moderates are supportive of jehad, if not really active in doing it.

DarkStorm said...

>>> Really, how would our Maoist labour activists react? It's a question worth asking.

Easy answer. Blame the rightists and the americans. And of course, the Hindus. LOL :))

DarkStorm said...

>>> Perhaps he could explain why there are no global Chinese companies and why no Fortune 500 MNC head hails from Mainland China

There are, but I am not sure of fortune 500. Examples, Lenovo, HSBC(though its officially british headquartered, not chinese, IIRC).

Whatever that stupid christist-satanist-devilist anon or mitra deduce from iq tests, the fact of the matter is that "CASTEISM is bad". We dont need anyone else to tell us that. Casteism has done enough harm to us, time to change things. Starts with each one of us at personal level.

DarkStorm said...

>>>> Few thousand brahmin techies in Bangalore dont an economy make

Do you think all techies are brahmins,, or that most techies are brahmins. So called brahmins.

Lies hidden in lyrical metaphors do not any sense make.

Anonymous said...

Darkstorm said,

The best would be that Indians be - what else - wannabe Indians. No not the dhoti wearing, paan chewing types.

If Darkstorm can have his beer, why cant others enjoy their paan?

DarkStorm said...

mitra, come on now, login and post.

yeah, well i meant the illiterate types. you can have your palangtod paan, mitra. you need it. maybe your wife will then stop selling her wares on marina beach.