Sunday, November 13, 2005

From the mailbox: Distorting to claim a mythical history

nov 14th

so much for the various claims of christists and (less so) mohammedans about their glorious history of 'secularism' in kerala.

the fact of the matter is:
1. christism came to kerala with thomas of kanaa in 345CE, a refugee from syria. the thomas apostle business is a complete fabrication intended to give a) christism the status of 'indigenous religion', b) to give the inferiority-complex ridden christists a claim to high caste.

2. christists and marxists are the people most concerned about caste in india. you have seen this on this very blog. the hindus are not bothered about caste, but the christists are very much bothered about it. you'll also have noticed that any christist who manages to snag a brahmin woman as wife and convert her to christism is mighty thrilled about it and will mention it all the time: 'my wife is a hindu brahmin'...

3. most christists in kerala are smart ezhavas, nairs and sc/st who realized that they were going to get some opportunities (monetary inducements in particular) and latched onto christism. now their descendants want to claim namboodiri ancestry. alas, there were *no* nambudiris in kerala when the alleged thomas came to kerala. nambudiris came to kerala around 500 CE. even if there were, the nambudiris would have had to be completely nuts to listen to some wild-eyed barbarian preaching some crazy stuff. because by converting, they would have gone from top of the heap land-owners to marginal peasants. nobody in their right mind would do this.

4. all the so-called 'records' christists claim exist about thomas and also all their great family traditions are, not surprisingly, church records! not exactly the most objective of records, shall we say? going by church history, fabrications and hoaxes are the name of the game.

5. one other thing we need to note. there were wealthy landowning families with tharavad/manorhouse names. their peasant serfs *did* not have tharavad names, but were known as xxx of abc tharavad. actually, i remember as recently as in my childhood my family's peasant serfs were referred to as 'our family xxxx' and so forth. so when these serfs converted, they would have been referred to as 'of abc tharavad' in the church records. now the christists claim, 'see, the abc tharavad, nambudiri landowners converted'.

6. the other rationale for making these claims of antiquity is for cultural appropriation. notice how a christist claimed here that 'onam is a kerala festival, not a hindu festival'. similarly, hindu cuisine has now become kerala cuisine and even 'syrian cuisine', hindu architecture has become 'traditional kerala architecture', hindu dress has become 'kerala dress', and hindu temple customs like the big oil lamps have become 'kerala customs', hindu ayurvedic traditions have become 'kerala traditions'. when they have fooled everyone that christism is an 'indigenous religion', they will then claim that the christists brought the cuisine, the dress, the architecture and the customs. that is the plan: and this is total expropriation of intellectual property, capture of regional appellations (like champagne) and so forth. big-time capture of the IPR in addition to the large-scale capture of the land, which the christists simply took, with the british and now the chandy-mani types in government colluding vigorously.

kerala is doomed, i tell you. it just remains to be seen when the first columns of hindu refugees will have to start travelling to bihar and orissa. because in the meantime tamil nadu and andhra would also have been completely christism-occupied.

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From: R
Date: Nov 7, 2005 9:11 AM
Subject: Distorting to claim a mythical history
To: rajeev

["As a part of the 'new strategy' church is following a less intransigent attitude towards birth control" - Please check the no. of kids for most of your X-ian family friends from India, It will be min. 3. This strategy they have been following for the last 2 decades, even after the govt. made the 2-child policy and it continues even now 'by mistake'...
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Distorting to claim a mythical history
Dr. C.I. Issac

The religious minorities of Kerala, particularly Christians and Muslims, are proud of their historical past. However, these days they have started to feel a sense of insufficiency of their historical value. Since the days of Portuguese, stories regarding the first century of Common Era (CE) origin and aristocratic beginning began to circulate widely amongst the Kerala Christians. Later on this articulated tradition got deep rooted with the Christian faith. Scholars even from amongst the Christian community began challenging the historicity of the legend that claims the noble descent and first century origin of Indian (Kerala) Christianity. Those who supported the first century origin of Christianity mainly highlighted some mystifying stories related to certain saints and churches. The veracity of the stories associated with these monuments is doubtful. This is because the architectural style that was adopted in constructing these churches (structures) does not match the style that prevailed in that period.

Similarly, the Muslims of Kerala were a peace loving national community until the days of the expeditions of Hyder Ali and Tippu Sultan. Thereafter, they were forced to transform themselves into fanatics. The seeds of fanaticism that were sowed by the Mysorian invaders were reaped in the bumper harvest during the days of the Mopla Riot of 1921 (Malabar Riot). The Muslim fanatics who were at the front of the Hindu massacre during the course of the Malabar Riot are now christened as freedom fighters and comrades, respectively, by the Right and Left coalitions of Kerala. This is the thumbnail portrait of the contemporary politico-social structure of the Muslim social formations of Kerala. But recently as a result of the GEB (Gulf Economic Boom), the Muslim community of Kerala also began to think of rewriting their history by incorporating the story of a rich and distant past. As the Christians of Kerala did they also coddled themselves in fabricating a so-called history of Islam in Kerala – a history of Hindu kings converting to Islam and attributed antique value to a few of their mosques.

In order to evade enquiries from the students of history, such monuments of religious importance are being demolished without preserving the relics of antique value and new and lofty structures are being contructed in their place with granite slabs (with inscriptions on them) claiming that at the site of the new building there was another one dating back to the days of the founder of their religion. Today the process of the demolition of churches and mosques is happening at an extensive and unprecedented rate. A set of would be secular historians with vested interest is supporting the Christian and Muslim historio-graphical exercise (distortions). All these necessitated an enquiry into the antique values of the Christian and Muslim places of worship that are subject to the demolition exercise and into the (religious hierarchical) social psychology behind their reconstruction. ...................................
 

20 comments:

DarkStorm said...

Nice one Rajeev, bulls-eye.

san said...

Here is a list of all self-acknowledged communist/socialist parties in India:

http://www.broadleft.org/in.htm

Wow, and just how many "regressive" parties are there in India, by comparison? Far fewer, I bet.

Sameer said...

Hey Rajeev,

That was a nice one...
You also forgot to mention how christists tried to fake their story abt Sabarimalai (Saber...)

And hey, dont worry, Andhra wont go as a Christist state as TN would do (Refugees from kerala part..) Andhra will resist just as how India did, thanks to its population (Large Population is one among the factors why India was not completely islamised or christistised)
And regarding ur comment on how a christist would be happy upon converting 'Brahmin woman', yes u r right....

Hey recently I read a news on Deccan chronicle (where else... the congressi paper, but surprisingly with some right view points too) abt a muslim woman who was ostracised from her community because she was worshipping Durga... and then the next day, news came that she was rejoined in the community, when she promised that she will never do that....

So unfortunate... no it didnt happen in Pakistan or bangladesh... but in Andhra pradesh... no not in Hyderabad.. but in coastal andhra, where the muslims are rather peaceful type and not the kind in hyderabad where u see riots and provocations.

Anonymous said...

. christists and marxists are the people most concerned about caste in india. you have seen this on this very blog. the hindus are not bothered about caste,

Wrong.

There are 43,000 Hindu subcastes in India. Go to the newspaper, you'll see one semi-inbred idiot looking for a suitable semi-inbred idiot.

It is as much a sin for a Brahmana or a Vaishya to marry a Sudra as a Muslim. It is all the same to him. So how can there be any unity? If you cannot accept my daughter then its every community to itself.

All politics in India is caste based. You cannot and never will be able to make a political move in India without caste consideratiions. Look how quickly so-called Hindu Nationalism crumbled. Hindus vote CASTE.

Dalits are beaten, raped and murdered by HINDUS every day.


Yeah Hindus don't care about caste! Good one...

Anonymous said...

. christists and marxists are the people most concerned about caste in india. you have seen this on this very blog. the hindus are not bothered about caste,

Wrong.

There are 43,000 Hindu subcastes in India. Go to the newspaper, you'll see one semi-inbred idiot looking for a suitable semi-inbred idiot.

Why are there so many christist denominations and why are there islamist denominations when they do not belive in "caste". The fact is differences in society are a reality from a point of view to it structure and composition. If you are different from someone else that doesn't mean that the "other" is wrong! Perhaps you are ignorant, indoctrinated and therefore reject anything "alien" -- this despite a common ancestory and bloodline! Yep, Hindus are idiots for having such a tolerant and broad minded world-view!

It is as much a sin for a Brahmana or a Vaishya to marry a Sudra as a Muslim. It is all the same to him. So how can there be any unity? If you cannot accept my daughter then its every community to itself.

Wrong -- For practical reasons people married within thier own communities, just as a syrian christian would prefer a spouse from the same community, a pentacostal would prefer one from the same community -- it has more to do with practices and beliefs. Muslims have the same restrictions. Why is this selectively slander against the Hindus!

All politics in India is caste based. You cannot and never will be able to make a political move in India without caste consideratiions. Look how quickly so-called Hindu Nationalism crumbled. Hindus vote CASTE.

Wrong -- Now it is religion and ideology based!! commie, islamist and christist vote blocs!! Look at the composition of "UPA" -- commies, chistists and islamists, a scary predicament for the nation!

Dalits are beaten, raped and murdered by HINDUS every day.


Yeah Hindus don't care about caste! Good one...


Anon,

Wrong! I have some responses in italics inlined above.

For the nth time, it is casteism, which is affecting intra Hindu relations.

For the nth time "Dalits" are Hindus.

For the nth time, caste as it was defined was vocational classification, to provide social security. Rigidity was a perversion that occured much later.

If you are a christist then mind your business and clean up your own house!

If you are a commie, the less said the better!

Anonymous said...

All 6 points of Rajiv r very very true. But I am not as pessimist as Rajiv on Kerala. True, Kerala will be doomed if it continues tolerating the Christian-muslim-marxist terror. But I definitely see a marked difference among the assertive youth nowadays.

Fascism of Christists is more in the uneducated belt(central travancore) as in Malappuram. Overnight NRIs Toneys and abrahams are experts in making websites eulogizing some fake 'namboodiri' history. Ask any Christist nun from C.travancore and she would literaly abuse Hindus , but will definitely say her ancestors were brahmins though she may be a pulaya! Try this in your next train hourney to Kerala.

Pathanamthitta to Coimbatore bus journey is a 'harvest' time for Kerala nuns. Once the light goes off, nuns are available for anything. It's true, try travelling in that route at night.
In N. kERALA , where Syrian christists are from Thiyaas (ezhavas) caste, you could see some beautiful girls. But sadly they follow aparthied too, they will never marry a person who has darker skin shade.
Even among Latin (fishermen) folks, once they have acess to NRI wealth, they would never marry from coastal areas, even if the bride or groom is well-educated!!

Rajiv missed a very valid point "NEVER..NEVER..EVER TRUST A KERALA CHRISTIST ON MONEY MATTERS, EVEN IF THEY ARE CLOSE". you'll lose big-time.

Kerala's problems arise from the fact that we all shifted away from the teachings of Guru and other holy swamis. We got awed by the overnight NRI wealth and their bargaining and lobbying for more and more power. We forgot to question and we forgot we were in a democracy to ensure social justice and equality. Today social life is controlled by the Church which never belives in justice to non-belivers (they are bound to go to hell!!). So only if Hindus awake and arise and re-visit the teachings of gurus of our land, Kerala will have social justice and peace.

We cannot blame the christists fully because they are exposed to fascists and fanatic ideas and 'brainwashed' that they are from 'namboodiri' family, so they have all the right to 'enslaven' and rob others!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a relative who's a catholic priest. He is under drug-rehabilitation now. There are many priests like him but our media wont investigate or report. Reecntly Asianet TV channel has been telecasting mimicry shows produced by christists ridiculing the religious family of Indian cricketer Sreeshanth, a devotee of guruvayoorappan. But these same channels have no 'creative ideas' when family of Anju george prays with priests and loses in Olympics.
Another instance where 'money talks'.

siva said...

i am not sure tamil nadu going xtian so soon, considering 90% of tamils are hindus. yes 90%. one of few states with high hindus - percentage wise. this in spite of 45 years rule of dmk and admk. it could happen in the future and when that happens, then the rest of india would have been taken over and there will be no place left for hindus to go.

Anonymous said...

There is no way tamil nadu is 90% Hindu. Even the official statistics place it at 86%. Christians 6% and Muslims 7%.

Its been 6% for decades, lol. Just like the official statistics for Christians in Islamic countries is always stagnant.

The Christian figure is more likely 15%. It is "cool" to be Christians in TN. There are scores who will not admit to converting for reservation benfits etc.

DarkStorm said...

>>>> Rajiv missed a very valid point "NEVER..NEVER..EVER TRUST A KERALA CHRISTIST ON MONEY MATTERS, EVEN IF THEY ARE CLOSE". you'll lose big-time.


Surprisingly, the very same thing was said to me about kerala christists by a christian from karnataka himself. he said much more which i will desist from posting. He also said, if you have a kerala christian employee, boss or colleague, be very careful. he might lick your boots one day, and kick you the very next day.

Anonymous said...

if you have a kerala christian employee, boss or colleague, be very careful. he might lick your boots one day, and kick you the very next day

Same thing happened with thelocal kings who believed in the 'innocence' of Syrian christians. We saw Vasco da gama, Inquisition, human predators like Francis xavier,colonization ....
Can anyone name a single freedom fighter from Christist faith in India?

Raj said...

FYI-A NOTE FROM A PANDIT REFUGEE OF KASHMIR:
http://www.haindavakeralam.org/PageModule.aspx?PageID=151&SKIN=W

Anonymous said...

the fact of the matter is:
1. christism came to kerala with thomas of kanaa in 345CE, a refugee from syria. the thomas apostle business is a complete fabrication intended to give a) christism the status of 'indigenous religion', b) to give the inferiority-complex ridden christists a claim to high caste


The fact of the matter is this: St. Thomas existed - contrary to the claims of the Nizhal Yoddha and he did come to India as revealed in the Nag Hammadi documents. Of course, the Nizhal Yoddha can make alternate "claims" but he would be propagating a "claim" that was discredited eons ago. This is the "Hindu intelligent design" movement.

...you have seen this on this very blog... the hindus are not bothered about caste..., but the christists are very much bothered about it... you'll also have noticed that any christist who manages to snag a brahmin woman as wife and convert her to christism is mighty thrilled about it and will mention it all the time: 'my wife is a hindu brahmin'

Ha Ha Ha...Caste is a part of Hinduism. Even you accepted that caste is good because you wanted to maintain that "social structure". After all, if the Marxists had their way and got rid of the "caste" you would belong to a classless society and there would be no one beneath you. How else can you look upon those Christians, Marxists and Muslims and say very proudly that you are some Namboodiri?

3.most christists in kerala are smart ezhavas, nairs and sc/st who realized that they were going to get some opportunities (monetary inducements in particular) and latched onto christism. now their descendants want to claim namboodiri ancestry.

Right... years ago even Thomas of Kana came with thousands of petro-dollars so that some smart Ezhava could be converted using those "monetary inducements". No Christian in his right mind would want to claim "Namboodiri" ancestry. What was that about caste being not important to Hindus on this blog...?

4. all the so-called 'records' christists claim exist about thomas and also all their great family traditions are, not surprisingly, church records! not exactly the most objective of records, shall we say? going by church history, fabrications and hoaxes are the name of the game.

Please tell me that you are not reading the Quran to find Rama's birthplace. Now we are concerned about the "objectivity" of the record..."objectivity" as defined by the RSS?

6.notice how a christist claimed here that 'onam is a kerala festival, not a hindu festival'. similarly, hindu cuisine has now become kerala cuisine and even 'syrian cuisine'

AFAIK, Onam has always been celebrated even by Muslims in Kerala. Unless you are concurring that upper caste Hindus in Kerala ate beef, "Syrian cuisine" is not the same as "Hindu cuisine".

it just remains to be seen when the first columns of hindu refugees will have to start travelling to bihar and orissa...

And the beauty of this is that Bihar will rise again :) But in reality the Hindus in Kerala are jealous because they cannot go to the Gulf and earn petro-dollars or their "share" of the "pie". Why not read the "sad" story of the Hindu bloke who did go to Saudi on this blog?

Interestingly, Dr C I Issac another pseudo-historian, claims that "...veracity of the stories associated with these monuments is doubtful... because the architectural style that was adopted in constructing these churches (structures) does not match the style that prevailed in that period"

Hmmm. Exactly what evidence did you examine to check if the "architectural style... does not match the style that prevailed in that period..." Are you saying you found the archeological ruins of a "first" century church in India, photographs, pictures, paintings what exactly is it? What "style" is it supposed to match - the first century church in some other part of India, the first century church in the Middle East?

But what is his real complaint? Let's take a look:
In order to evade enquiries from the students of history, such monuments of religious importance are being demolished without preserving the relics of antique value and new and lofty structures are being contructed in their place with granite slabs (with inscriptions on them) claiming that at the site of the new building there was another one dating back to the days of the founder of their religion. Today the process of the demolition of churches and mosques is happening at an extensive and unprecedented rate. A set of would be secular historians with vested interest is supporting the Christian and Muslim historio-graphical exercise (distortions).

First he makes the claim that relics are not preserved and new structures are being built after demolishing the old ones. Then he claims that the inscriptions are preserved in the granite slabs. But his real beef is this - he has been cut off from this exercise because he clearly states that the same churches and mosques are working with another section of historians rather than him. Wonder why, Dr. Issac?

Papacy instantaneously declined the humble request of the Kerala Catholics on the ground that the claim [legendary belief of Thomas Apostolic transaction in Kerala] has no historicity.

Message from Pope Pius XII on 31 December, 1952 at the occassion of the 19th century celebration of the arrival of St. Thomas to India, in New Delhi

"Nineteen hundred years have passed since the Apostle came to India [...] During the centuries that India was cut off from the West and despite many trying vicissitudes, the Christian communities formed by the Apostle conserved intact the legacy he left them [...] This apostolic lineage, beloved sons and daughters, is the proud privilege of the many among you who glory in the name of Thomas Christians and we are happy on this occasion to acknowledge and bear witness to it."

and again

http://www.fides.org/eng/congregazione/india2002_01.html

"The Catholic Church in India traces its origin to the preaching of St. Thomas the Apostle, who, according to tradition, came to India in 52 A.D.,..."

The mission that was unwrapped by the Portuguese was carried on by the British under the disguise of a more sophisticated mode, that is, of education and modernisation of Kerala in general and particularly of the subalterns. While these missionaries sowed the tenets of Christ amongst the basic classes purposefully they conveniently avoided the responsibility of elevating them from their long-established socio, cultural and economic backwardness.

Yes Dr. Issac the education of the "subalterns" was a national disgrace which is why the Nizhal Yoddha can sit in California and pontificate as a cyber coolie and why your kids will be employed by a call centre. This is also why Swami Vivekananda claimed that Hinduism in Kerala was disgusting. The good Dr. does not like it when educated "subalterns" question his "historicity". I am curious as to why the good Dr. would want to teach in the very same college founded by Col. Munro after all they still teach the "subalterns"? You mean they broke the back of "brahminical" teaching - now I know why you are so pissed :)

When the State and central archaeological departments are ready to protect the old churches as national heritage monuments why are the church authorities in a hurry to demolish the old churches?

In the previous sentence (to the quoted one), you claim that these churches cannot be so old. If they are not so old, then you should have no problems getting it renovated. The Archeological Society of India is a joke. We saw what happened to an old mosque "protected" as a national heritage monument....Incidentally what "old churches" are being "demolished"? Are they being "demolished" or "renovated" since you claim both in your article? Also I am surprised you decided to concentrate on the "Valia Palli" first constructed in 1550 AD (subsequently reconstructed many times ;)) - the oldest church built in European tradition is the St. Francis Church at Fort Kochi built in 1503 AD, surely a "record" of this can be found.

Anonymous said...

Dr CI Issac's article has hit the nerve of a Chritist jehadi as we see above. Pathetic reasoning! he'll twist it, manipulate, bend extra..typical christist 'semen-ary' culture.
Oh yeah all hindus are jeoulous of you marrying 'liberal' nurses and starting grocery shops and gas stations, also managing blade mafias all across India and middle east. Hey Christist, what communal bull-crap you are vomiting here? Why dont you give the St. thomas mount for archeology dept, let them decide the vercaity of your claims? why do u burn sabarimala once in a while? Kerala needs journos like Rajiv to break the back-bone of evil Christist manorama(semenary trained) journos.

prasank said...

Let me add my few thoughts to the St.Thomas mystery,
What is claimed: St.Thomas arrived in Kerala in 52AD.
Proofs: None. Except for the fact that pope said that.
Contradictions:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06374a.htm
Claim from Catholic encyclopedia: First european to discover sea route to India is: Vasco de Gama. Year: 1469?
So, now the question is how exactly did St.Thomas land up right in Kerala? If he took the land route, he would have entered through the west, then travelled through the forest, mountains, crossed the entirely forested western ghats (for what? When there are lots of people to be converted before all that. Where is the record for that?).
Actually, even historians have bracketed the first people in Kerala to be from 10BC to 5AD!! That means, there is a strong possibility that even if st. Thomas was in what is now Kerala, there wouldnt have been any people there for him to see.
http://www.acns.com/~mm9n/marthoma/marthoma.htm
The above link shows what is told as St. Thomas history in Kerala. But there are some glaring mistakes, which show this as just a fabricated story.
1. The story claims St. Thomas arrived sea route!!!! (What do I say about that?)
2. That St. Thomas converted Brahmins. Fact is, the first Brahmin settlements in Kerala came to be only after 5th century AD. http://www.prd.kerala.gov.in/prd2/keralam/brahmin.htm
3. Nairs were converted? As far as I know, there are strong arguments that Nairs and Ezhavas came only long after period of Shankaracharya.
And which anno here said about Christians not claiming Brahmin ancestory? As far as I know, Ninan is a Christian name.
Now let me take a guess about what could have happened. One Mr. Thomas could have landed in Kerala in the same ship as Vasco de Gama. That should fit with the story except for the date.

DarkStorm said...

>>>>> The fact of the matter is this: St. Thomas existed - contrary to the claims of the Nizhal Yoddha and he did come to India as revealed in the Nag Hammadi documents. Of course, the Nizhal Yoddha can make alternate "claims


... and so on, the christist satanist devilist rambles on and on and on.... (hey do you eat duracells for breakfast or something else. he he. )

(Big yawwwnnnn... )

Rukku said...

Let me add another myth here..

Christ died in Kashmir!!

Anonymous said...

"Ha Ha Ha...Caste is a part of Hinduism. "

Caste is very much a part of Christianity as well as Islam in India. Even today, backward Christians have separate seats in the Church. SC/ST christians are treated with hatred especially by Syrian christians. I am married to a liberal (backward) Christian family and I have heard nasty on caste discrimination of the Church. Some conservative castes like Kanana catholics prefer fair skinned females as servants, otherwise they cant eat food! Can you believe this?
The fact of the matter is : there are true tolerant christians who believe in Indian heritage and others who hate anything Indian. Just look at the communal rantings of an anonymous christian here. For him Archeological survey of India which brings out historical facts is a joke but any fundementalist lies propogated by Vatican is cool and true!
Common, why cant these NRI morons accept they are Hindu (Indian) by ancestry first and then start believing in the mythology of white Thomas of Cana or Kochi.
Before examining the comments by Swami Vivekanandan, we should understand whether the present situation in minority-controlled society is better or not.

1)A hindu family is murdered by a Muslim youth since the housewife (50 yrs) rejected his proposal. Minority media cleverly gives less coverage. But bashes the Hindu organziations for bringing out corrpution charges in Sabarimala developments. They have a knack in attacking hindu orgs and they were seen (especially the Church controlled Deepika) making theories on dis-unity among different orgs!!

2)Last 2 week saw the destruction of numerous hindu temples and ashrams and an attack on a Bishop house by crypto christians. Put the blame on a retarded person, if the attack is on hindu institution. But use the state machinery,Police, media to appease the powerful bishops who were solely responsible for the attack.

3)Rape of a girl in a minority medical institution by the christist principal's nephew on oct 21. Christian ministers are trying to save the rapist.

4)Minority (esp christian) media has been talking on sabarimala developments by their christist CM. Fact is different. Former chief secretary (a syrian christian) had given the development project to a delhi MNC to 'commercialize the holy hills, without even consulting the devaswom board. Of course he would have got the kickbacks. The govt. is charging 7 crores from Deveswom for the land near sabarimala, but this is never mentioned anywhere by their media.

These are some of the cases in the last 2 weeks. The social degradation and apartied is very much prevalent today, thanks to the Church and its greed for natural resources. Only contribution of Church to our society is their organisation ability ,lobbying and intolerance to non-believers. They may claim education too, but again the fact of the matter there is : exploitation of the state benefits and rights at the cost of others. No one is jeolous of fundementalists as the Christist anonymous has said , but just requesting them to be more tolerant with basic personal integrity and try to understand the fact that the (foreign funded)missionaries have always been against a strong, united India.

-(Anonymous)

Anonymous said...

I was enlightened by the weblink of al islam. I am more than convinced of jesus being a prophet of islam--they have photographic proof of his route taken from his place to kashmir. This implies that christ was a muslim!! Why have two different beliefs when the source is the same??

Anonymous said...

PrasanK: St. Thomas was not a European. He was a disciple of Christ and lived during his time. Ample evidence exists for this fact. There are also Roman historians that have written about this trade. Vasco da Gama (and the Europeans) wanted to break the Middle Eastern monopoly on spices which is why he was trying to find a route to India.

Interesting link, so according to the link, the Brahmins of Kerala also were not natives of Kerala, they came from somewhere up North (Bihar and Orissa?). In other words, Hinduism with its temples came up only in late 8th century and there were 32 of them. Hmmm has Dr. C.I. Issac actually read this link?

Darkstorm: Ha Ha...Is that all you have got? No facts or figures to back up your "story".


SC/ST christians are treated with hatred especially by Syrian christians. I am married to a liberal (backward) Christian family and I have heard nasty on caste discrimination of the Church. Some conservative castes like Kanana catholics prefer fair skinned females as servants, otherwise they cant eat food! Can you believe this?

Well now look who is boasting on this site about his liberal Christian wife. Knana catholics is not a "caste" but they are following their own religious traditions. At least they are not asking you to bare your breasts and walk like the Nizhal Yoddha's perverted ancestors.

Just look at the communal rantings of an anonymous christian here. For him Archeological survey of India which brings out historical facts is a joke but any fundementalist lies propogated by Vatican is cool and true!

In your post, you haven't come up with a single piece of evidence. If the Archeological Survey of India is so great why is it that it could not prevent the destruction of the mosque? After all this was the perfect institution - answerable to a democratically elected central government, funded by the Central Government and run by historians. So why is the Sabarimala shrine not under the Archeological Survey of India after all the oldest European church in Kerala (St. Francis) is and look at its condition.

Before examining the comments by Swami Vivekanandan, we should understand whether the present situation in minority-controlled society is better or not

Yup the proverbial Hindu Malayali cop-out. Interestingly from your post it does appear that the Devaswom board wanted a piece of the kickback pie. The rest of your post is uncorroborated garbage.

Yes that photographic proof is very convincing after all photographs never lie. ;)

Anonymous said...

Here is a link for you

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=20021206008612800.htm&date=fl1924/&prd=fline&