Tuesday, November 22, 2005

yvette rosser: on teaching [about] india, hinduism

nov 22nd

yvette rosser has done pioneering work on how american textbooks and classrooms propagate the old cows-curry-caste prejudice about india. long but worth reading.

21 comments:

san said...

Here's a hard-hitting article on the Indo-US nuke deal:

http://www.the-week.com/25nov27/currentevents_article1.htm

Well, I admit, I guess this casts the deal in a tougher light. I wasn't aware that India would have to classify the majority of its facilities as civilian.

Well, if worse comes to worst, we should just submit a list of facilities that we see fit, and if the US Congress vetoes the deal, then they can live with the consequences.

India can in the meantime develop its fast-breeder reactor cycle for using plutonium for conversion of thorium to uranium. The reactors themselves might be more primitive, but they'll at least be free of safeguards.

I'll wait for the US-Iran confrontation to come to a head, to see how much international clout the US continues to retain. We should still be worried about any Iranian nuke/missile program, since we are much more within their missile range than the US is.

saras said...

The world is becoming a very dangerous place, with the very likelihood of nuclear bombs falling anyday into the hands of terrorists like Al Qaeda etc. Then there was the recent talk of a new Chinese strategy (unbelievable but not too far fetched, considering that China has been instrumental in the proliferation of nuclear weapon technology through Pakistan, North Korea, Iran etc.) of depopulating US, Canada and Australia for its Lebensraum requirements. US is full of Chinese people, who can do to US what their leaders back home ask them to do for the sake of their motherland.

Anonymous said...

Dear Rajeev,

Sign protest petition against M.F. Hussain's paintings

http://www.sanatan.org/en/05/Protests/MFHusain/petition.php?vtm=1132313026

Anonymous said...

Excellent read.

san said...

Bah, I see little in MF Hussain's paintings to worry about. You're finding too much nakedness there. Plenty of depictions of Gods/Goddesses have nudity, and I seriously doubt that Hussain's art is motivated by any communal intent. If he had been a Hindu, would the same be said? I say leave the old guy alone. It looks bad to be harassing a harmless old man, or putting a fatwa on him. This only plays into the hands of those who'd portray Hindus as a lynchmob or pack of book-burners.

Anonymous said...

Haha. What I find amusing is that had Hussain been a Hindu trying some stunts like this about a Muslim figurehead, he would have been killed in his home the night he would have attempted such a thing, and there would have been sympathy for the perpetrators of such an act in the media. That is funny, that is all.

Anonymous said...

The article brings out the outside perception of India being full of half naked starving people worshipping equally starving cows. This is largely the
truth. The article also brings out the the fact that Hinduism is represented as a motley bundle of primitive looking rituals and exotic looking artifacts of worship.
This is also largely the truth. Now do you seriously expect people to spend half a year understanding the culture and history of India ? Or maybe people should know that the practise of Hinduism through religious festivities and periodic visits to temples is a means of expending time in a country lacking pubs/cabarets.
Just another thought - Maybe we should learn a lesson or two about the religion of "Keeping yourself challenged by the pursuit of non-trivial aims". This is practised by a significant portion of people in the west. I'm surprised our textbooks don't mention this.
Beg forgiveness for the incoherent albeit sincere thoughts

DarkStorm said...

Hey San, the intent is communal. MF Hussain is a communal bigot, though he does not show it.

Recall how he changed his movies name to please islamist jehadis, and how he changed the lyrics of a song in his movie to again please islamists.
Did he ever apologise or withdrew his paintings which were offensive to hindus.

nowhere are our Goddesses portrayed as nude, AFAIK. If you think khajuraho, they are not goddesses, they are general carvings. this SOB painted Sita and Saraswati nude.

DarkStorm said...

San, the attacks are subtle. Now you cannot go and paint mohammad naked with his daughters in law. you will be slaughtered in a manner worse than a lamb.

Ok, now see, you know this. what is the relation between Sita and Hanuman. The relation is pure. I dont have the words to describe it, you have to - know ramayana/heard its stories - to realize it.

and husain nutcase has painted Sita nude and hanumans tail holding her. Ok, lets assume the poor old senile bastard is ignorant of that. But when we tell them to withdraw the paintings, he refuses, even when we gave the reasons. The intent is malice, not art. And, at that time, there were jehadi organizations out on the streets in his support, citing "freedom of expression".. ROFL..

Most painters( not your distemper/choona/poster painters, the "artistic" painters ) are the worst breed of people on the planet, IMHO, for their false commie secular beliefs and distorting the truth. they themselves probably dont know what they painted and say just about anything to justify their childish color splashing on canvas.

San, come on now, be logical. I had high hopes from you.

S said...

As I think the converted have a vicious fear of the 'primitives'. They can't progress, so many Indians beat the bastards of Macaulay, Mitrokhin etc, that their progress appear stymed.

If the following is the truth, why exactly those who have given their thoughts to Macaulay and exotic chicken flesh and bone from britain, Pakisthan choosed to devide the people in the crown of their empire ? Did the primitive hindus were a bit honest, compared to the charged of speeches of docaits, comrades and like ??




The article also brings out the the fact that Hinduism is represented as a motley bundle of primitive looking rituals and exotic looking artifacts of worship.
This is also largely the truth.

Anonymous said...

There are dozens of mischief makers in Indian media and social circles. Examine this organization. Press Trust of India. From the headlines of the news items posted by PTI, one can make out that they are intent on making mischief. Here are some examples.

1. "Laloo lost Bihar by 0.95 pc negative swing." (BJP and Nitish's party, each got 5% + votes than last time.. and the winner is decided by comparing..)
2. "Nitish agrees to appoint Deputy CM." (Did he ever opine against?)
3."Nitish's mom can't wait to live in CM house". (A very simple woman as shown on TV....This headline is an insult to that simplicity. And somehow suggests she is after the comforts and pomp).

I have been following these headlines for long. My only query for this group is.... How can this (clearly partisan) entity call itself the PRESS TRUST OF INDIA?

Anonymous said...

Bihar was no victory for upper castes, they are merely junior brothers in a yadav to kurmi power shift.

Kumar doesnt care for all the Hindu-shindu bhakwaas from BJP-wallahs. He laughs at it.

Lets see how many Brahmins get portfolios, then we'll know who is kissing whose hand.

KapiDhwaja said...

san said,
This only plays into the hands of those who'd portray Hindus as a lynchmob or pack of book-burners.


San, even if we portray ourself as being 100% angelic Hindus, the foreigners would still find causes to throw mud on us. Its time Indians(Hindus especially) stopped worrying about what others think of us. Just got to do what one has got to do, both at an individual & national level. After all, once we succeed, that will shut the rest of them.

Watch what the Israelis always do. Where is Yasser Arafat & his PLO these days? PLO is history along with Arafat.

Kalyani said...

What DarkStorm says is absolutely true.Also his pithy description of the "artistic painters".

Best paintings and gratifying feasts for our senses are provided by Nature....for free...everyday the sky presents such variegated breathtaking spectacles!Add to that the tootling of insects and chirpings of birds!

The most soothing and peaceful way of waking up is to the cawing of Crows and certainly not any alarm clock or human voice!

san said...

KapiDhawaja, I feel that people must have their own internal conscience, and not merely be attentive to making impressions before the media. Pouring through abstract art to seek out signs of genitalia, etc -- this is like staring at inkblots in a Rorschack test, and seeing copulation, genitalia, etc, when it's just blobs of ink. I looked through those photos from the link posted, and didn't really see anything much. If people have misgivings in the way that Hanuman is depicted in holding Sita, then let them merely articulate their thoughts as to why, rather than adopting too much of a protest mentality about it. One can critique art in a dispassionate way, without becoming too cranky about it. I just don't want to see Hindus making MF Hussain into another Rushdie-style martyr. It yields little dividends, and hey, the guy is just a harmless old man, and doesn't appear to have any track-record of Hindu-baiting. At worst, he may simply lack the sensibilities of a believer.

DarkStorm said...

Hey, I just read on a newsgroup.. is Microsoft putting out visual studio express for free downloads till NOv 6 2006, starting nov 7. Does anyone here know if it is a time limited version. The eula does not seem to say so, but I dont really agree.

I know express has been a free download since beta, and those betas expired after few months of installation. But this is not beta, it is the final version.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/support/faq/default.aspx

The links to the download page are there. No, I am not a MS programmer, nor am I a VB programmer. It is just for my interest in C# that I explore it. Its not for billy boy, but for Anders Heljsberg, the chief architect of C# language, that I am interested. (the same guy built the pascal compilers and the Delphi language for borland). I got interested in .net just for this cool new language. I havent explored much of it yet.

moving on to hussain,

Also, art has its limitations, like media, movies, etc have. Ok, movies are an art too, should anyone go ahead and make movies showing Hanuman and Sita naked. Well, not everyone is in a position to understand art as art. If anyone see a movie showing hanuman and sita naked, naturally will be offended. Art is to express. It is not about the art, it is about the message it is sending out, what it is expressing. Does it not suggest that hanuman and sita have illicit relations which they actually did not have. Ok, now i can give any illogical reason for a message given by a piece of art, but it is the first impression that the artist is always trying to make.

Well, San, i will just say i dont necessarily agree. a cheap 3rd grade painter need not be a reason for discord.

Guess i just need to go out and paint the jehadi master naked with his daughters-in-law. But then were they daughters in law. maybe his son married his sister. So his daughter is also his daughterinlaw. Also, his grandsons aunt is also his mother. ... aaarrgghh..... this is confusing...

DarkStorm said...

>>> Pouring through abstract art to seek out signs of genitalia, etc -- this is like staring at inkblots in a Rorschack test, and seeing copulation, genitalia, etc, when it's just blobs of ink.
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San, you dont have to look for signs of genitalia in his paintings, they are there....

They are neither blobs of ink, nor abstract art.... the paintings are very much explicit.

DarkStorm said...

>>>>> Hey, I just read on a newsgroup.. is Microsoft putting out visual studio express for free downloads till NOv 6 2006, starting nov 7. Does anyone here know if it is a time limited version. The eula does not seem to say so, but I dont really agree.
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I mean to say, i dont really trust microsofts eulas. they might not mention it, and one fine day when you are used to their software, it might bust up , telling me to pay

Anonymous said...

No wonder these half-mad fellows are rioting all over Britain!

Marriages between cousins should be banned after research showed alarming rates in defective births among Asian communities in Britain, a Labour MP said last night.



The report, commissioned by Ann Cryer, revealed that the Pakistani community accounted for 30 per cent of all births with recessive disorders, despite representing 3.4 per cent of the birth rate nationwide.

"We address problems of smoking, drinking, obesity and we say it's a public health issue, therefore we have to get involved with persuading people to adopt a different lifestyle," the MP for Keighley, Bradford, told BBC2's Newsnight programme last night.

"I think this should be applied to the Asian community. They must look outside the family for husbands and wives for their young people."

It is estimated that more than 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins, resulting in an increasing rate of genetic defects and high rates of infant mortality. The likelihood of unrelated couples having the same variant genes that cause recessive disorders are estimated to be 100-1. Between first cousins, the odds increase to as much as one in eight.

In Bradford, more than three quarters of all Pakistani marriages are believed to be between first cousins. The city's Royal Infirmary Hospital has identified more than 140 different recessive disorders among local children, compared with the usual 20-30.

The findings were expected to be condemned by the Asian community, in which many see the tradition of marriages between first cousins as culturally fundamental.

"You have an understanding, you have the same family history," said Neila Butt, who has had two children with her husband, Farooq, her first cousin. "It's just a nicer emotional feel."








Inbreeding depression and intelligence quotient among north Indian children.

Badaruddoza, Afzal M.

Department of Zoology, Aligarh Muslim University, India.

This study presents the assessment of inbreeding depression on the intelligence quotient among north Indian Muslim Children of school age. The Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC-R)-74 was given to the children in both groups (50 each non-inbred and inbred of the first-cousin status), aged 6 to 11 years and from the same socio-economic status. The change of the mean follows genetic theory; however, the nature of the change in variance seems to be somewhat different.

PIP: The level of inbreeding depression on the intelligence quotient (IQ) of North Indian Muslim schoolchildren was assessed in a survey conducted in Aligarh. The 50 inbred children were products of marriages between first cousins; their mean age was 7.7 years (range, 6-11 years). A significant (p 0.001) negative association was found between inbreeding and score on the Weschler Intelligence Scale for Children (WISC-C). In addition, the weighted mean IQ of inbred children )88.4 + or - 1.37) differed significant (p 0.001) from that recorded among 50 noninbred controls of similar age and socioeconomic status (99.6 + or - 2.0). The group means for both verbal and performance IQ subscales differed significantly and in the expected direction between subjects and controls, but the lower variance recorded in the inbred group did not conform to genetic theory. However, data do not always demonstrate a clear trend of linear increase in phenotypic variance with inbreeding in human populations. Additional surveys in other populations and for various inbreeding levels are recommended

The encouraging news is the NON inbred IQ--which may refute the much stated claim that Indias IQ is 86. It may be 96 (putting it in line with USA), and with proper nutrition and outmarriage, even higher.

Kalyani said...

"If people have misgivings in the way that Hanuman is depicted in holding Sita, then let them merely articulate their thoughts as to why, rather than adopting too much of a protest mentality about it"---san.


The thoughts or sentiments (whatever)of the pious CANNOT be articulated to the smug atheists and I admit am not bothered by guilt or inadequacy.

There is an old Thamizh film song which succinctly addresses the atheists:-

Free transliteration..

I could not get hold of Him by becoming an Aasthik;

Alas,I could not intimidate Him by converting myself into a naasthik (atheist)

Sameer said...

That bastard should be made to draw a painting of Jesus and Allah making with each other and then lets see how 'tolerant' our 'secular' breed are...
It should be made at gun point so that his artistic 'Talent' can come out 'freely'. (Like in china?)