Thursday, November 03, 2005

how to mark a nuclear waste site

nov 3rd

startling analysis on how to create a visual barrier in a place that is contaminated for 10,000 years.

even if our descendants are illiterate savages, they should also be instantly aware that this dump is a bad place.

horrifying thought.


san said...

Musharraf postpones purchase of US F-16s, citing the quake disaster:

Haha, looks like Mushy recognizes that F-16s in the sky won't save his neck from angry mobs on the ground, as post-quake misery builds.

It reflects the fear that jihadi organizations are doing more grassroots relief work than his govt is.

Chamed Ahlabi said...


You're against the Indo-US nuke deal.

But Beijing and its comrades in Delhi are rolling out a campaign against it. The Chicom media has just slammed it..,~warns~of~%E2%80%98%E2%80%98negative~impact%E2%80%99%E2%80%99~on~the~global~order

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Delhi’s comrades slam India, Beijing’s slam US for n-deal

Bush admn has double standards, says China organ


NEW DELHI, NOVEMBER 3 In a signal of potential political trouble for Sino-Indian relations, the official Chinese media has launched a vicious attack on the Indo-US nuclear pact and warned of its ‘‘negative impact’’ on the global nuclear order.

At a time when the Left parties are accusing the government of selling out to the United States on the nuclear issue, the Renmin Ribao, China’s leading political daily, has charged the Bush Administration of being soft on India and undercutting the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

As the government wakes up to this pincer attack, that comes precisely at a moment when India is poised to end its more than three decades long nuclear isolation, Beijing risks squandering its recently accumulated political good will in this country and rekindling forgotten hostilities.

Accusing the US of ‘‘double standards’’ on nuclear proliferation, the Renmin Ribao said if the US makes a ‘‘nuclear exception’’ for India, other powers could do the same with their friends and weaken the global non-proliferation regime.

‘‘Now that the United States buys another country in with nuclear technologies in defiance of international treaty, other nuclear suppliers also have their own partners of interest as well as good reasons to copy what the United States did,’’ Renmin Ribao said. (An English translation is available on the web at

‘‘A domino effect of nuclear proliferation, once turned into reality, will definitely lead to global nuclear proliferation and competition,’’ the paper added. The Chinese criticism of the Indo-US nuclear pact is in contrast to the solid support for the deal from Russia, France, Britain, and Canada.

Analysing the change in US nuclear policy towards India, Renmin Ribao asked: ‘‘US acts leave people more and more dubious: is it striving to prevent nuclear proliferation or actively pushing in the opposite direction?’’

Reports from the Nuclear Suppliers Group meeting last month suggested China was among the few countries that critically questioned the US proposal to modify the global rules on nuclear commerce in favour of India.

‘‘Always calling itself a ‘guard’ for nuclear proliferation prevention, the United States often condemns other countries for irresponsible transfers but this time, it hesitates not a bit in revising laws, taking the lead in ‘making an exception’,’’ for India, Renmin Ribao said, warning ‘‘this will bring about a series of negative impacts.’’

Until now, the Chinese media has reported without comment the developments since July when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and President George W.Bush signed the nuclear deal.

This is the first time official Chinese organs have mounted an attack against the deal, which treats India on par with other nuclear weapon powers in terms of access to civilian nuclear technology.

India might be willing to countenance the talk of nuclear ‘‘double standards’’ from the White Knights of the Western world like Sweden or Ireland. India, however, will be deeply troubled by at similar rhetoric from Beijing.

New Delhi which bitterly complained about China’s support to Pakistan’s nuclear weapons programme in the 1980s and Islamabad’s missile capabilities in the 1990s, will find it a bit rich if Beijing now opposes international civilian nuclear energy cooperation with India in the name of double standards.

India has been willing to overlook the extraordinary campaign by Beijing to defeat the attempt by the G-4, India, Japan, Germany, and Brazil, to expand the permanent membership of the UN Security Council earlier this year. China explained away this campaign by saying that the target was Japan and not India.

A similar campaign on denying the benefits of civilian nuclear energy cooperation to India could reopen New Delhi’s many past grievances against Beijing.

Until now India had assumed that nuclear differences with China that came to the surface after the Pokhran tests in 1998 had been set aside amidst rapidly improving Sino-Indian relations in recent years.

Beijing retains a little bit of space to suggest that the views expressed in Renmin Ribao do not represent those of the government. But the cat, in this case the Chinese opposition to the Indo-US nuclear cooperation, appears to have been let out of the bag.


Do you still think its a bad deal ? Or maybe they're expressing their displeasure at the general improvement of US-India relations ??

Arvind said...


Were you the one who posted the comment about ummahgration? If so, can you point me to the original comment you made?

It would also help if you posted comments on topic! :-)

Kalyani said...

Off topic but very hard hitting and pertinent article by Prafull Goradia :-

san said...

Hi Aravind,
Here's the link to that previous comment/thread on Ummahgration:

Sorry I didn't post on topic, sometimes I just post in wherever I can. ;)

Yeah, sometimes a good catchphrase is an efficient and economical way to encapsulate and express an entire problem, so that we can spread understanding and awareness far and wide more easily. If a picture is worth a thousand words, then sometimes a catchphrase can be worth a few dozen. ;)

Meanwhile, on the nuclear deal, I still support it because it gives us technology transfer, and such transfer is irreversible. Tech transfer cannot be undone, even if we bolt from the deal later on. Please again note that this is a bilateral treaty, which is inherently much less binding upon us than a wider multilateral treaty. Thus if India breaks that treaty, it mainly only impacts relations between India and USA, rather than impacting India's wider relations with the wider world. I would ask that we also give consideration to this fact.

KapiDhwaja said...

Hey San, I see where you are coming from with regards to nuke tech transfer and bilateral agreement with US. If you say we can walk away from the treaty at a later date, that would be great. But I dont think we can easily wriggle out of the IAEA inspections regime once they start. IAEA is not confined to US alone. It would be very bad publicity for us if we are seen walking out of the IAEA inspection scheme.

Also, the US doesnt have any worthwhile nuke tech to offer us. Infact we in return have something to offer in Thorium based reactors and the tech to produce Tritium cheaply which could be used to make a large quantity of n-bombs. It would be France and other European countries including Russia. The main reason for entering the treaty with the US from our standpoint is to obtain Uranium fuel from NSG countries. We could also choose to obtain the said fuel from Niger in Africa, which is outside the NSG.

So we dont really have to tie ourselves into a knot with this treaty. If we can get what we want from the US without jeopardising our strategic bomb making capacity, then I am all for it. But it looks like the Americans want us to cap that capability, which is not acceptable. It is not acceptable to other P-5 members, so we dont have to bend over backwards to prove ourselves to be nice guys either. I dont believe we should offer our neck at the chop block just to please America as you seem to advocate.

Here is a link abt India's tritium tech(part of the civilian program), which will be curbed if we enter into this agreement with the US.


KapiDhwaja said...

It would be France and other European countries including Russia that could offer us the Nuke tech. Not America.

Kalyani said...

KapiDhwaja,good one!

Americans had once spent a lot of money and time trying to invent a leakproof pen for use in spacetravel(Lol).It was the Russians who suggested the use of a pencil(hahahahhahoho I am laughing like Pythagoras)thus bailing them out from their idiotic stupor!