not content with having taken over all the temple lands in travancore (this was done by the conniving colonel munro in british times who brainwashed the maharaja of travancore, alienated temple lands and mixed them up with government lands; for good measure, he gave quite a lot of that to churches), the christist-dominated kerala govt now wants to fully take over the travancore devaswom board.
just one more step in economic warfare against hindus in kerala.
at least 1,000 mosques have come up in kerala since the babri/ayodhya demolition. at least 1,000 churches have come up in kerala in the same timeframe. *not one* of them is under government control in any way. however, the hindu temples are looted. the small donations made by devotees from all over india are stolen by the govt, whereas the billions brought in by christists and mohammedans are quite safe. no records, no audits, no nothing.
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From: R
Date: Nov 3, 2005 12:23 PM
Subject: Chandy's Deveswom loot ..continues
To: rajeev.srinivasan@gmail.com
Friday November 4 2005 00:00 IST
CHERTHALA: SNDP Yogam general secretary Vellappalli Natesan on Thursday alleged that the UDF Government's move to promulgate an ordinance to control the affairs of the Travancore Devaswom Board (TDB) was aimed at pocketing the funds to the tune of Rs 400 crore of temples coming under the TDB.
He told reporters here on Thursday that this was at a time when the government was hit by acute financial shortage.
He asked the Hindu ministers who elected the devaswom board members to spell out their stand on the issue.
He said there was no justification in the government interfering with the day-to-day affairs of the devaswom board in the bogey of dealing with corruption.
"Will the UDF Government show the guts to take over the assets of the warring Orthodox and Jacobite factions in the name of church row".
Can the government even think of curbing the powers of the Wakaf Board,'' he asked.
He said the issue was an emotive one for the entire Hindu community, giving clear indication that he would launch a statewide campaign against the government move in the coming days with the support of other Hindu organisations.
Welcoming any kind of inquiry into the corruption charges against the present devaswom board in the appointment of staff, he, however, flayed the UDF Ministry for its double standards while dealing with corruption.
"Will the same government order a probe into charges against Chief Minister Oommen Chandy in the Smart City deal and Water Resources Minister Thiruvanchoor Radhakrishnan in the Japan drinking water scheme,'' he asked.
He also said that none should act under the illusion that the TDB row would strain the relation between the NSS and the SNDP.
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So, now people in Kerala have to go by SNDP Yogam general secretary Vellappalli Natesan's words?? The leading "apkaari contractor" who assumed the role of GS in SNDP yogam by his wealth created through you-know-what means?
Please note that I am all for giving full autonomy for all religious bodies and organizations as long as the government retains authority to investiagte them in case of illegal activity.
As for your accusations of "Christist" leaders looting Kerala - I wonder which denominations of Christianity do Thiruvanchoor Radhakrishnan or former CM K Karunakaran (or his son and his vast number of chamchas) belong to? Must be some new denomination. Because, as per Rajeev saab, if you are corrupt, you have to be Christian or Muslim.
I absolutely agree with you on the fact that State government should not intefere in the matters or Devasom board or any other religious body and I have written about this in the past here but to be frank let me ask you something, other than blaming chirstians and muslims for this what else have hindus done to fight this injustice, pretty much nothing. As a matter of fact as the previous commenter said even some of those very prominent hindu politicians were involved in this looting. God only know how much the most prominient Guruvayoorappan devotee(Karunakaran) has looted from Gruruvayorrappans wealth itself. And now you have found a new leader in Vellapalli nadesan good god give me a break. Rather than whining why dont you take the state government to court on the legality of this?
Mr Toney,
I understand you are a regular reader of Manorama or Deepika. I think you are jeolous of hindus being wealthy or you cant tolerate when Hindus like Shri Nateshan tell the facts. Anyway Shri Nateshan would not have involved in methylated-spirit mafia , which is the monopoly of the Church in kerala along with their SSLC scams, arbitration (Mani) scams, Land, sandalwood, deforestation and plunder (before planting a cross and cooking-up myth on a Thomas). And of course we all know how Oomen chandy, Mani are looting kerala left and right.
Do you have any proof whether Karunakaran or Murali looted our temples? any links at least? No you wont be having since you may be funded by some 'semen-ary' to propogate hatred and lies.
Yes Christists are into big-time loot in Kerala and TN.Do you know a terrorist named KP Yohannan?
http://www.haindavakeralam.org/PageModule.aspx?PageID=79&SKIN=K
This jehadi has an objective to force the sabarimala pilgrims to fund him through tolls, for his conversion terrorism.
Yes in Kerala, government is now run by a most corrupt and communal govt. controlled by Muslims and Christist fascists. So Rajiv is right, Toney - or just look at recent scams and who all were behind those corruptions (rajan chacko in SSLC, Lida jacob - arbitration, babu jacob - smart city scam, kunjali - mining scam, marad).
hey hey 'milk-powder' toney whose ancestors would've converted after getting milk-powder, comb, rice from missionaries.poor toney.why did u guys listen to Theresa nun, who was well funded by drug and paedophile cartel? fix your house first before abusing respectable community leaders of our country.
Shankar,
Abt the jealousy part, I can only say this - LOL.Natesan is probably several 100 times richer than me. So, is there a need to be jealous? For eg, are you jealous of Bill Gates?
Abt your "Shri" Natesan: Sri Narayana Guru was someone who was against alcoholism and was the true and only social reformer who did a lot of good in Keralam, right? And Natesan is heading the organization named after him? Isnt that a bit sad?
Abt the Karunakaran part, I never said that he looted temples (read my post above). But please dont even tell me that he is a clean person. Anyone who knows a little bit about Kerala will know that Karunakaran is a crook.
All I am saying (in my first post) is that whether Oomen Chandy or Antony or Karunakaran or Kunjali loots, it is because of their greed and lack of scruples. Rather, if Chandy loots, it is not because he is Christian. This is where I differed with Rajeev's post.
And dear Shankar,
Please read my post again. I said that I am against any kind of govt intervention (unless there are credible concerns about the organizations acting against the law of the land, whether it be in terrorism, income tax evasion etc). I think you suffer from a hatred for anything that has the word Christian in it. Unfortunately, I cannot reciprocate in similar fashion because I dont have such feelings for Hinduism or Hindus.
I dont read either the Manorama or Deepika. I used to read the Manorama sports section but stopped that because even that wasnt credible.
Finally, where is the proof for any of your accusatioons (or Rajeev's about Chandy looting)? (Just asking something you asked me)
I understand that yours is a case of ad-hominem and doesnt deserve a reply. But I am human too.
anon, I guess reply to Shankar applies to you too.
Note to Rajeev: I had written a personal email to you a long time ago. I visit your blog and read your rediff articles not because I agree with most of your opinions but because your articles are usually the product of good research and are very knowledgeable. Of late, it doesnt seem to be the case (your recent articles,, not this blog). Not a criticism but just an observation. Maybe, it is because of your busy life.
Abt your "Shri" Natesan: Sri Narayana Guru was someone who was against alcoholism and was the true and only social reformer who did a lot of good in Keralam, right? And Natesan is heading the organization named after him? Isnt that a bit sad?
Hahahah..how many X-ians strictly follow Christ’s teachings? Your own cardinals, bishops are experts in incest, rape and paedophile. Search BBC or CNN site for this. Shri Nateshan is doing a lot to save the poor hindus from the conversion terrorists like bishops, nirmala nuns etc. Remember, the great social reformers of kerala – Shree Narayana guru and Chattamby swamy were also against conversion terrorism. As long as Shri Nateshan is doing a pretty good job in empowering the poor hindus , and trying to stegthen a hindu mandalam for a better kerala(guru’s vision), we don’t care whether he is a abkari or not.
Toney, I have no problem with your immature ranting. Hindus like Shri Nateshan are just asking for their rightful share. But it seems that the bishops and cardinals are losing their sleep on this and immediately branding hindu leaders as fascists, fundamentalists, when they are the real fanatics!
You did the same here, by bashing Velappalli nateshan, who is doing a lot for the original natives of kerala. While Malayattor church and Waqf board are given free lands from the revenue dept, why is Chandy bothered about getting money from Sabrimala? (http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=KOCHI&file_name=KOCHI13%2Etxt&counter_img=13). Whole world know how Oomen-mani tried communal politics in the aftermath of Tsunami, humiliating all hindu organizations, including a respectable mutt.
You could name only one Karunakaran, but Jacob, Mani, Joseph, Chandy, Kunjali are not only crook looters but highly communal. Do you know Mani installed a cement cross in 1983 to construct a church near Nilakkal. Christist jehadis cooked-up stories on some Thomas. How pathetic! (read hamsa.org too). Try to get Kaumudi or punyabhoomi published this year, you’ll get all proof on the SSLC scams, arbitration, smart-city etc.
Shankar, learning to read critically would be the first step. Hamsa.org is a sham - its "research" is so abysmal that you will not find any historian worth his name to even defend the "history" as "research". Hamsa.org is a pseudo-historian website for pseudo-historians and gullible "victimized" Hindus. If this is the level of "research" in History that Rajeev supports, then we are in deep shit, our ability to support Hindu culture on the basis of factual evidence is at risk and "Hindu" culture will be always written by "outsiders".
Rajeev has never ever on this site or in any of his articles suggested that the Devaswom board be free from government control - he has argued instead of bringing Churches and Muslim Waqf board under government control while ranting about "communism and statist control". The Devaswom Board is part of the government - why is Rajeev suggesting that an elected government abdicate its responsibility of governance?
Enjoy
Stalin, Lenin in Moscow, Kerala LOL
The Devaswom Board is part of the government - why is Rajeev suggesting that an elected government abdicate its responsibility of governance?
Yes this Devaswom board is part of the Govt (just as the HRCE). Why is it that only Hindu religious institutions are under Govt.? Why are the Churches and Mosques, inure from Govt. "protection" and "supervision"? Why cannot the Hindus be free to manage thier own religious affairs? Why the selective approach to religion? The only logical conclusion one can come to is that there is indeed a nexus between the commies (eventhough they have Hindu names), the Muslims and the Christians when it comes to Hindu subjugation. With vote bank politics the Hindu's fate is sealed, in a state like Kerala. Now the experiement has succeeded in Kerala and West Bengal, this nexus is moving at warp speed (aided and abetted by the media, and with political sanction ofcourse!) to implement this model in other states, in TN, Karnataka, Andhara -- this will insure the conquest of the South is complete (after the North East and extreme NE are already n peril); then they can go to the jugguler, the Hindi heartland! Then we shall see the crusades in our own backyard!!
There is nothing wrong if any Hindu points out that this is a real threat scenario -- given thier pathetic history of servitude and current day events against them. Read this Op-Ed:
http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=OPED&file_name=opd1%2Etxt&counter_img=1
Please do not sermonize that we are paranoid or suggest that we are fundamentalists. We are day to day Hindus seeking justice, dignity, liberty, freedom, and real democracy in our own soil! All these are being denied to use by the cabals of organized religion and commies, who are in control of the media, the educational system and politics -- the irony is that they claim to be secular and progressive when then are staunchly insecular, retrograde, and fundamentalist.
"Hamsa.org is a sham - its "research" is so abysmal "
hey hey isnt the BIGGEST SHAM in history - the ARRIVAL OF ONE St THOMAS? Isnt the "Miracle" of "Mother" Theresa the most recent sham??!
Rajeev has never ever on this site or in any of his articles suggested that the Devaswom board be free from government control - he has argued instead of bringing Churches and Muslim Waqf board under government control
well friend, church and mosques are wealthy companies which needs to be taxed , also their dollar/dinar/pound income needs to be scrutinized for funding terrorist activities (eg: kerala church supporting NE extremism). Why not? let's put them under the scanner.
Why does the Evangelical Church secretly sponsor a mass conversion of "untouchable" Hindus to Buddhism?
"well friend, church and mosques are wealthy companies which needs to be taxed.."
I would agree if all Hindu temples are similarly taxed, all Hindu organizations are similarly taxed including the RSS and their IDF etc. According to the Tax Dept, the biggest recipient of foreign aid is not the Church but Mata Amritmanandayi Organization.
As for allegations that the Kerala Church is actually sponsoring terrorism in the NE, show me the proof.
Why is it that only Hindu religious institutions are under Govt.? Why are the Churches and Mosques, inure from Govt. "protection" and "supervision"? Why cannot the Hindus be free to manage thier own religious affairs? Why the selective approach to religion? The only logical conclusion one can come to is that there is indeed a nexus between the commies (eventhough they have Hindu names), the Muslims and the Christians when it comes to Hindu subjugation.
From the Sabarimala Ayyappan temple website - "Since Pandalam was assumed by Travancore in 1820 A.D, the administration of all the temples within the kingdom, including Sabarimala was done by Travancore govt., which was subsequently handed over to the Travancore Devaswom Board after Independence."
What a Minority conspiracy to subjugate Hindus.
yeah tuny-toney and anonymouse are right, no minority conspiracy, the thousands of churches and mosques built in the last decade are by a miracle of saints messrs. thomas and teresa. mosques by the mighy prophet - nothing to do with money that comes under the mighty govt scanner which has found "mata amritmanandayi" as the largest aid recipient..Yeah right!! if we believed "st".thomas and teresa why not swallow this now?.....losers. when the hindus losing all this land are complaining they are in quotes "victimized"...not in reality. The proof of terrorism comment is wonderful, reminiscent of the friendly dictator in a neighboring country who asks the same question everytime LeT kills innocents.
These christists really expect hindus to roll-over don't they :)
Wonderful to see christists reel of statistics from the "Tax Dept" in a country where collections are less than 30% and certainly networks involved in organized crime, proselytizing or terrorism would not be filing their receipts. The day there is "proof" this will unfortunately be resolved by the standard historical method of public lynching of those involved as happens from time to time in civiliztions when oranized networks begin tormenting a majority. Wonder who wins in the end?
Wonderful to see christists reel of statistics from the "Tax Dept" in a country where collections are less than 30% and certainly networks involved in organized crime, proselytizing or terrorism would not be filing their receipts.
Glad to know that you can recognize your own Hindu comrades in the organized crime business... So let me get this straight, I am supposed to believe the Hindutva drivel without "proof" because you say so. Is this the new "scientific standard" boy or is it the "Hindu scientific standard"? Kiss my hairy brown arse boy.
Anonymous Christist invites people to kiss his hairy brown ass.
This, presumably, is the same hairy brown ass which he 'bent over and greased up' for the Holy White missionaries to enter? For which there is plenty of 'scientific evidence'? Just Google for 'pedophilia' and 'church'.
hey you christist anonymouse with hairy brown arse,
I don't know about your brown arse, but can sure bet my last naiya paise that extra brown on your nose is due to all that sucking up the local foreign missionary's posterior.
lostinATSL said various people look down upon others.
Hindus despise both Christians and Muslims as death-cult worshippers and brainwashed followers of gigantic hoaxes. But Hindus are generally too polite and well-mannered to say this out loud. But the time has come to say it because the death-cult worshippers are getting to be too arrogant.
Like the person who calls himself 'Mathew the ex-devil-worshipper' lots of Christians and Muslims are beginning to realize that their religions are just primitive cults.
This, presumably, is the same hairy brown ass which he 'bent over and greased up' for the Holy White missionaries to enter? For which there is plenty of 'scientific evidence'? Just Google for 'pedophilia' and 'church'.
Nope that was your ancestors arse - remember; for 200 years and now with the RSS doing the same thing to you, you can say it runs in your family. What with the deep pile of shit that you are in........ Google ISKCON and pedophilia
I don't know about your brown arse, but can sure bet my last naiya paise that extra brown on your nose is due to all that sucking up the local foreign missionary's posterior.
Doesn't look like you have taken a look in the mirror lately, with your head up your Nizhal Yoddha's arse, while the RSS shakhas are "protecting" your family.
Christist Anonymous (is that like Alcoholics Anonymous?) is getting upset that the tales of his a posteriori adventures are being broadcast. Don't worry, just because your many 'fathers' sodomized you regularly doesn't necessarily mean that you have caught AIDS. You may have been lucky, your 'fathers' may not have been in the 40% of American Catholic priests with AIDS.
"According to the Tax Dept, the biggest recipient of foreign aid is not the Church but Mata Amritmanandayi Organization."
Anon, please show the proof. Church's terror wing - Opus dei- and Yohannan were the top forign aid recepients. Yohannan had bought almost 3000 acres of estate near Sabarimal for his terrorist(conversion) activities. He gets money from his Texas organization and lavvishly funds NE terrorism
quote"According to the Tax Dept, the biggest recipient of foreign aid is not the Church but Mata Amritmanandayi Organization"
I think I found the reason for this. The link below has a simple explanation for this.
http://www.hvk.org/hvk/articles/0204/27.html
Shankar and Kindred Minds,
It is Dharmam alone that would triumph not the fraudulent charlatans's money power.I also share your rage and anguish but pipe down slowly by recalling that it is always darkest before dawn.
Bodhi Dharma,
From the earliest times, even before the advent of the British, it is the government (Raja) that has been responsible for the temples. After Independence, this "department" was moved under the secular government. Why? So that purohits could get government salaries, government benefits etc. The Raja of Pandalam is still associated and the patron of the Sabarimala temple.
What happens when it is privatized? Take a look at Rajasthan which is privatizing the temples. See the hue and cry that even Hindu organizations are raising against such privatization. So the "govt. interference" is of your own doing. Even the BJP, that paragon defender of Hindu rights did not address the issue of delinking the Devaswom Boards from the govt.
Amazingly the link by prasank does not give any details of foreign funds to the RSS. Why? Because the RSS claimed that they did not receive any foreign funds nope no NRI, no foreign funds at all....
Hi Toney,
Chandy also is a big time crook. I guess that is known by all familiar with Kerala politics. Just as recently as 3 months back, he admitted to have diverted funds (about Rs. 80 million) for tsunami relief to some scheme in Wayanad. Now what happened in Wayanad with that money is still unclear.
The issue didnt catch up because the left were bogged down by even bigger Lavlin case.
So, its just a case of looking for who looted the most...
To the anno,
I just posted it to show, the claim that MAM trust got the max funds, is false. Even if they did, how does it matter? They dont indulge in religious conversions. Right?
And where did you come up with the theory that the RSS did not receive any funds? Did you actually see the complete list? If so, it will really cool if you can share it with us.
Rajiv,
I have some reservations about complete autonomy to the temples. This is good for big temples like the Guruvayoor temple or Sabarimala. But what about all the small temples? I dont think, with the local revenue, these temples would be able to survive.
But on the other hand, I dont like the present system either where the govt. can meddle too much into temple affair. I remeber the situation where they tried to give Muslim and Christian ministers also a say in the governance of the temple.
Sometimes being associated with a big temple can help a smaller temple in a big way. An example is the Mammiyoor temple near Guruvayoor. After it joined the GVR dewaswom, the temple has had tremendous improvement. (Only flip side is that, it used to be such a clam and peaceful temple. Now its too crowded).
If we could come up with a totally centralized system, but one, out of the reach of the political class, then it would be great. But that is just dream, and will remain so :-((.
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