Tuesday, October 25, 2005

nyt on mao book

oct 25th

nyt's review of the mao book that kristof also wrote about.

now when will we get similar books laying out the gory secrets of india's own deified monsters? of course i must not name names but you know who i am talking about :-)

actually the information is out there but we've been fed with so much disinformation that the mythology has overtaken the truth. mythology has become truth through continuous propaganda.

and truth has been turned into mythology, for which worthies get honorary phds from oxbridge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/21/books/21book.html?emc=eta1&pagewanted=all

21 comments:

Raghu said...

Yes. It's high time we learn the truth about some of those 'leaders'. To begin with, someone who was the first prime minister of India. I still did not name names...

Anonymous said...

Interview with the authors on NPR

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4967077&ft=1&f=5

san said...

7/7 UK bomber from India:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1274802.cms

Anonymous said...

it is shocking to see congress leaders of old being compared to mao. it belittles the genocide carried out by Mao .
if at all Congress is a collection of failed ideas, ideas that they sold for long without any opposition.
they sold the ideas for long because the right wingers were( and are) courting (or imitating)Hitler's Nazi Party, trying to imitate the hate for jews with hate for muslims .
Please dont blame your failure to Congress's success in selling bad ideas.
if at all learn from them about how to be organized.

mitra said...

BJP/RSS dont realise it, but they are babes in the wood. They have no strategy to take on the Muslims apart from acting like a bull in a china shop and making a fool of themselves.They want to emulate Hitler; rather they should learn a lesson from Jews who have ruled the world even while having no country of their own before 1945.

Anonymous said...

'Shocked' Anon is a good example of the brainwashed masses in India and it shows that literacy is not the same as education. Genocide comes in many forms, including impoverishment which is slow starvation. The British killed 30 million Indians through famines. India's Congress 'leaders' committed a crime against humanity by preventing Indians from prospering. They condemned half a billion people to poverty. This is genocide. Mao was more straightforward and murdered people instantly. India's 'leaders' killed people inch by inch. They also colluded in the genocides of Tibetans and Kashmiri Pundits. They were/are true monsters.

doubtinggaurav said...

Mitra,

By making comparisions with Hitler/Nazi you have shown your true colour.
I regret my wasting time on you that day.

Regards

Randhir said...

Doubtinggaurav:

Had found this in a blog somewhere else and didn't understand it then, but now it's becoming clear.

Godwin's Law

mitra said...

Doubtinggaurav:

There is no need to make an overt display of your emotions. You dont matter at all; so dont bother.

Having said that, I can surely understand the lure of Hindutva philosophy for the young, educated urbanite who has probably translocated to better shores. There is a sincere desire to see India as a great nation. Unfortunately, politics in India has passed you by.

I have asked again and again: what is the BJP-RSS approach to the Muslim problem in India? I have got no answers.

The last term in Government was disastrous for BJP. The aura has been lost. BJP could not take up any issue dear to Hindu community. They could not even pass alaw debarring a person of foreign origin from becoming PM of India. We should be thankful to Dr Subramaniyam Swami who pointed out to the president that Sonia is a naturalised citizen under Sec 5 of Citizenship Act. This section gives reciprocal previlages. Since in Italy, a naturalised person cannot become PM, neither could Sonia.The BJP failed to pass a law because they wanted to keep the issue alive as an electoral prop. RSS's ideological fanaticism had really cramped BJP's government. When was the last time when an ideologically extremist government was able to hold power for long in a democratic setup anywhere in the world.

Demolition of Babri Masjid has likewise been a disaster for BJP who are now left with no issue.

There is almost total disillusionment with BJP in India and it is almost certain that it will not come back to power in the next elections.

Comparison with Hitler was only a reflection on the style of tackling minority problem and is not meant to associate anyone with the dark side of Nazi regime. Hitler's approach to tackle the minority(jew) problem was to eliminate them physically(by killing or deporting). This is a valid approach( without going into the moral questions) provided you can pull it off. Hitler was presiding over a militristic system and had dictatorial powers. Those times were also different. Here, we have 150 million Muslims compared to 6 million jews. India has to operate in a democratic setup in an international human rights regime . Hitler built up a frenzy of hate as a prelude to a viable strategy. Where is the RSS strategy??

Raghu said...

I agree with secon Anon. Genocide can come in many ways. The fact that can not be denied is that the fundamental problems the country is facing today are a direct legacy of Nehru and Gandhi. In his defence, Gandhi was an idealist. But Nehru was outrightly foolish and communal. I also agree the BJP has not done any good to Hindus. And it's not because of 'ideological fanatism' of RSS, but because of lack of it.

Anonymous said...

mitra said..

Hitler's approach to tackle the minority(jew) problem was to eliminate them physically(by killing or deporting). This is a valid approach


Racist mitrrrr.. is back to his farting ways again. mitra, go get your daily supply of nordic genes through your rear-end.

DarkStorm said...

I have asked again and again: what is the BJP-RSS approach to the Muslim problem in India? I have got no answers.

Did I not answer this earlier. Search the previous posts for details. Also, regretfully, there is no answer to their menace as far as I can see, except making ourselves stronger, and believing in ourselves and our culture, our religion. This is what has defined us.
Again, I dont think there is any solution to the Muslim menace, except keep fighting to save ourselves.

Anonymous said...

why should anyone have a problem if RSS is compared with the Nazi party. both are right wingers with compatible philosophies. it is hilarious when the blogger compares marxism to fundamentalist islam. marxism is left wing and not compatible with right wing fundamentalism. compare marxism with the soviet communism or chinese maoism.
anyway the words dont matter, extreme right or extreme left doesnt matter. both live to kill.

Randhir said...

UCC anyone? How come "right wingers" are the only one's asking for it?

Raghu. said...

If RSS was Nazi, how come Muslims and Christians could still rule the country -by proxy or otherwise. The fact that people like Syed Sahabuddin, Sabhana Azmi, Arundati Roy and a host of Hindu-bashers are not only living but enjoying power and celebrity should be proof enough that RSS is not a fundamentalist organization. If RSS is communal as is being accussed day in and day out, by now all the minorities in India would have either been converted or killed -- which is exactly what happened in Pakistan and Bangladesh. But, I wouldn't trust Kuldip Nayyars, Kushwant Singhs and Sabhana Azmi's to have little brain to understand simple facts like these.

Anonymous said...

DarkStorm said..

Also, regretfully, there is no answer to their menace as far as I can see, except making ourselves stronger, and believing in ourselves and our culture, our religion.

Well said DarkStorm. This exactly what Aurobindo advocated. He said something like, 'Let Hindus make themselves strong by organizing into groups, and the muslim problem will be tackled automatically.'

This is what a host of the much hated RSS, BJP, VHP, Bajrang Dal etc are trying to do.

Anonymous said...

UCC is being demanded by the "right wingers" because it will serve them to undercut the left.
a very good example, is the republicans in the US always demanding that judges should interpret the constitution in its original meaning( the so called constructionists). do you think right wing christian fundamentalists care a hoot about the constitution?
they want it interpreted "orginally" because it serves their self interest, which is to undercut minority programs and affirmative action and whole lot of things.
actually demand for UCC is directly incompatible with the demand for a hindu state, but no one bothers to think of that.but both of that the demands are that of RSS/BJP. can anyone tell me why so ?( my short answer, the hindu state demand is to attract the illiterate hindu fundamentalists( like the babri masjid destroyers), the UCC is to attaract the learned secular hindus( like many readersof this blog).

Anonymous said...

There is a difference between Hindu state and Hindu country, you idiot.

India is already a Hindu country and the RSS-BJP want to keep it that way. They dont want a Hindu state a la Pakland, Iran, Saudi etc.

Anonymous said...

Hey Mitra - why do you post your crap on this blog? There are enough blogs for communists, idiots and people who would sell there mother to keep you suitably occupied.

'Illegitimi non carborundum'- Don't let the bastards gring you down.

Rukku said...

Anonymous who said:

actually demand for UCC is directly incompatible with the demand for a hindu state, but no one bothers to think of that

Can you elaborate on this?

mitra said...

Raghu said:

In his defence, Gandhi was an idealist.

Wrong. Gandhi was not an idealist. He was a confused egoist who was not able to decide his stand in life. It was mainly Gandhi, through his peace marches, and fast unto deaths, who broke the back of Hindus during those crucial partition days. The Hindus, at least in the Northern Plains , were taking good care of muslims before Gandhi statred his BS. After Noakhali, Muslims were given a grand slaughtering in Bihar, Garhmukteshwar and elsewhere.

Also, Hindus themselves are to blame. I do not recall riots taking place in places other than the Northern plains. Why?

As far as exchange of population was concerned, it should have taken all over the country. So, here we are saddled with 150 million muslims and a golden opportunity has been lost.