Thursday, October 27, 2005

economist: rosa parks obituary

oct 27th

puts rosa parks' act in perspective.

and also points out where civil rights has failed: because it has become a handout-kind of program, rather than one that encourages blacks to improve themselves.

sound familiar? this is what the kancha ilaiahs (the buffalo man), the udit rajs etc. indulge in in india. instead of improving the lot of OBCs and dalits, they want to grab a bigger piece of the pie through agitation. i am sure these worthies are well paid by the christists. after all their best friend is john dayal, the arch-bigoted christist fundamentalist.

this is where sri narayana guru's inspirational message is so relevant: improve yourselves. this is also where evr ramaswami naickers dk movement is so wrong, too. nihilism and thuggishness is what the 'dravidian' movement is all about, so in the end it will turn on itself. i have always been amused at the fact that dmk people have temples set up to naicker, annadurai, mgr, et al. the height of irony!

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5080964

38 comments:

Anonymous said...

To those arguing with 'mitra' on various threads: please stop giving it attention. Trolls are best ignored compeletely. Let it say whatever it wants, just don't respond. See what Rajeev has done. He hasn't even once bothered to respond to 'mitra', but he periodically wipes out everything 'mitra' and interlocutors say. By doing this, Rajeev is saying that whatever 'mitra' says has no value whatsoever. I agree. So friends, come on, simply ignore the troll! It will go away on its own. Or maybe Rajeev should complain to blogger, get the troll's IP address, and have it quarantined.

mitra said...

Aonymous said:

"To those arguing with 'mitra' on various threads: please stop giving it attention. Trolls are best ignored compeletely. Let it say whatever it wants, just don't respond. See what Rajeev has done. He hasn't even once bothered to respond to 'mitra', but he periodically wipes out everything 'mitra' and interlocutors say. By doing this, Rajeev is saying that whatever 'mitra' says has no value whatsoever. I agree. So friends, come on, simply ignore the troll! It will go away on its own. Or maybe Rajeev should complain to blogger, get the troll's IP address, and have it quarantined."

An eminently sensible course; considering the ignorance and cluelessess of most readers on this blog.

DarkStorm said...

Come on now Mitra, you come up with vague theories of yours justifying marxist and casteist thoughts, and then go on to abuse other posters. Dont you regularly make casteist comments, and at the same time talk about equality and stuff like that.

Why dont you post what you really want/think, clearly and logically , without abusing. What do you really want us to believe. Or better still start another blog where you let your views known, and post the links here. Just tell me what is your aim. What are you trying to prove.

Many of us have agreed to your viewpoints , when valid. To expect everyone to think you are right, without facts and reason is expecting too much.

My last take on AIT, the theory on which all your posts seem to be based.
Ok, let us *assume* I am Aryan. So, should I go around abusing others, who are *supposedly* not. If you think we are going to repeat our mistakes, you are wrong. Does being Aryan make me superior. Does having genes from the Steppes and Central Asia, make me any better than anyone else, apart from giving me a whiter skin.

You know what, it is the Muslims, who like to claim ancestry of the Arabs and Turks to show they are different, and to gain favour with them. It is their slave mentality, which wants them to believe that, since most of their religious shrines are in Arab lands, and they were badly fkked up by the Arabs. It is actually the Indian Muslims, who want to be like Arabs, since they were the ones who suffered the worst. They still dont know who is their real father. So they shout from the rooftops, claiming descent from the arabs and turks.

We do not have any such problem, we know where we are from, even if from the Central asian lands and steppes. BTW, my casteless Hindu community is native Indian, *supposedly* with traces of Central asian genes, which no one yet has proven.

So even if we *assume* that AIT is right, we are faithful to our lands, not the Steppes, and Central Asia.

And stop your tendency to troll, at the drop of the hat.

DarkStorm said...

>> Many of us have agreed to your viewpoints , when valid. To expect everyone to think you are right, without facts and reason is expecting too much.

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See, you do talk sense sometimes. But not always. Dont think you are always right. and that everyone should believe what you say, all the time. People would agree with you if you present your thoughts clearly, and sensibly.

mitra said...

Darkstorm

I dont abuse; apart from the deep abuse we exchanged ages ago.

DarkStorm said...

why dont you justify your thoughts. you seem to make statements , then just vanish. when someone points out your fallacies, you become abusive. Why dont you justify your belief in the caste system, and marxism. Why dont you justify why you hate just about everyone, except your own caste.

doubtinggaurav said...

Dark Storm,

He is just one of the trolls, don't bother with him.

DarkStorm said...

Well, look at the topic on kanchi sankaracharya.

see, you just post something without justifications, and abuse, (or make fun) if someone replies pointing out the opposite.

Ok you dont abuse so much as you used to do earlier. But you do it indirectly, as always. Making smart aleck comments (unnecessarily) on someone who is of opposite beliefs, is a beginning of the war.

DarkStorm said...

doubting gaurav,

you are right. Hope it comes back to normal ways. for some time, he was pretty clear with his stuff, and wasnt so abusive.

I started this program but i dont know how to switch it off. my spam engine is in an infinite loop.

Peace....

mitra, dont bother much with posts which you think dont make sense. no need to reply to them.

Chamed Ahlabi said...

Rajeev,

This smells suspiciously like a plant

US may back India for UNSC if it exits G4

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story1%2Etxt&counter_img=1?headline=US~may~back~India~for~UNSC~if~it~exits~G4

doubtinggaurav said...

DarkStorm,

Well I dont abuse anyone and Mitra has not made any abuses to me.
But arguing with him is same as arguing with a blank wall.

He argues from the position that everyone else is a defensive Hindu,
his condescending attitude makes any serious dialog impossible.

But in way it is good, all popular blogs have trolls, why not this one.

mitra said...

and Marxism: me justify marxism? I am feudal through and through -- what with my Rajput blood. I eat a few marxists for breakfast every day.

mitra said...

Doubtinggaurav:

Dont take this blog too seriously. Rajeev is doing it for a living. We hang around for company. I told Darkstorm many times--AIT or not, makes no difference. Its an intellectual/pseudo-intellectual exchange and nothing else.

DarkStorm said...

yes gaurav, every newsgroup and blog has trolls. Sometimes, it is good to have them around, to clear up many things.


>> I am feudal through and through -- what with my Rajput blood. I eat a few marxists for breakfast every day.

This Doesnt speak much in your favour, mitra. seems typically casteist.

For a living, Rajeev is a technologist in Silicon Valley, and an IIT grad. Journalism is something he does apart from his main work. otherwise, there would be people making a living out of publishing blogs. hey why dont you start a blog to get some money.

mitra said...

Darkstorm:

Are you really unaware about the vast funds which are being spent to promote the Hindutva ideology(pl dont consider it a troll).

As for feudalism- yes, I am not a liberal; and neither is any Hindutva proponent.

mitra said...

This blog is nothing but an electronic pamphlet. Using typical propaganda technique -KISS(keep it simple). You are welcome to have your contrary views and assume honest motives. I am convinced its a paid up job.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for keeping us employed mitra. Without you, we'd be out on streets.

LOL

BTW, who's paying you to troll here? Or you get the free vodka stashed by communists?

DarkStorm said...

>> As for feudalism- yes, I am not a liberal; and neither is any Hindutva proponent.

Yes. it shows you are not a liberal, going by your comments. Hindutva proponents are also not liberals, I agree. But they are much much more liberal than the so called secular marxist liberal progressive types. And also much more liberal than you , mitra.

I think jehadists and christist evangelists are more liberal than Hindutva types, isnt it. Oh so secular and liberal , arent they. They kill Hindus, regardless of their caste, right. Including the so-called lower castes. Naxals too, right. In fact, I find that so-called lower castes are much more safer with Hindutva types , than marxists , jehadists and evangelists.

Keep in mind where you should be liberal and where not. If someone is out to kill you, it does not matter to that someone whether you are liberal to him or not.
Dont you see, our 50 years of liberal thoughts and actions has resulted in only more of our blood flowing.


>> I am convinced its a paid up job.

And also I am convinced that the likes of you are paid by KGB.

mitra said...

Darkstorm

why do you have to take off at the slightest provocation? you seem like one of the more reasonable ad knowledgable guys around. And still...

Tell me . does everyone need to straightjaccket himself in an ideology. This good---that bad. I dont. Take it cool man.

Ther is nothing implausible about Rajeev getting paid. Rajeev always takes a strictly party line. I asked you -- whats the strategy? You couldn't find any. Well, I'll tell you. The strategy is:

1. Get good funding from NRIs for next elections.
2. Increase BJP's vote share in next elections.

I am not passing any value judgement on the strategy. All religious organizations get funding. And the muslim and Christian bodies get a lot. So the Hindu bodies should get some too. Nothing wrong in that at all.

And payment is not always in cash. Airline tickets, paid holidays etc.... Lucky him...

DarkStorm said...

Hello all,

can we pay mitra to start a new blog of his own. we will pool up the seed capital.

And mitra,

by the way, I have seen the darkest skinned of Rajputs, so do not take pride at your white skin ( think you are dark skinned, but that Muslim mentality has got to you - try to look like arabs(though they are dark too) and turks as much as possible. behave like white skinned turks, another has been power surviving on western crumbs. )

you dark skinned Rajput, i have fairer and stronger central Asian genes, but I dont think I am superior or inferior to you in any way.

Hey you complain too much about Hindutva, dont you. What did you do to the Mughals, allied with them?? dint you. where were your nordic warrior genes then.
We, *supposedly* central asian genes, fought them, and fought arabs, defeating them over 17 times, so that finally when the got victory, they never progressed to the Hindu heartlands out of plain fear. Otherwise, we were straight in line for a jehadist empire, stretching from arablands, mesopotamia, persia, afghan lands, and through India to the southeast. (malaysians and indonesians gave up easily though).

Now there is no other way out, this is not the medieval ages. We have to stick to our religion and culture to save ourselves, keep gaining strength to prevent us from being destroyed.

I am happy to be a Hindu, no matter what. I am happy I am not running around the world carrying bombs, and suitcases of money to bribe people to convert to my faith.

mitra said...

darkstorm,

Good to see you thoroughly converted to AIT. And Rajputs....yes. I remember there was a guy called Prithviraj, and a few guys named Rana Sanga and Rana pratap too. I remember that fought against Muslims a bit. BTW , who else was it who put up a fight.

DarkStorm said...

mitra, i need to go home, just designed and coded a project, and it has gone through the testing phase. so my last post for the day possibly, unless something comes up. and i am enjoying my dose of joe satriani. i need a beer , its been a hectic week.

mitra, it is true, yes, everyone looks for funds, including marxists and right-wingers. I am not getting worked up. I dont want to. But mitra, give up that attitude of "i am always right". we all have our shortcomings, regardless of caste. you cannot justify feudalism in these times. feudalism again is another form of discrimination, just like marxists.
Yes, we have interests. and we have to protect them, work towards them. whether this blog is paid for or not, (btw, Rajeev must be making lot more money with his engineering skills , rather than from campaigning for BJP in US), dont you think we are justified in looking after our safety and interests. We Hindus can take care of our differences later but for now, atleast work towards our common good, our common culture.

Peace....

( KingFisher, here I come... )

mitra said...

Ah a drink. Methinks me too. But I go for communist Vodka. Kazakhastan made. home of the Aryans. Almost soma ras.

Peace to the world.....

DarkStorm said...
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mitra said...

BTW, Dont you think many acrimonious issues could be solved we we could get rid of those self-righteous teetotalers. We all be Vodka brothers and sing rousing songs.

DarkStorm said...

mitra, do you see the asterisks (*) , that I have put around *supposedly* nordic, *supposed* AIT, . and *assume* AIT is true.

It is all assumptions, just to get you to see the point of view that it does not matter, even if true.

Also, I still am of the staunch opinion that AIT is a lie. It is a hyped up version of the small migrations that took place much before civilizations came into being, and man was still a nomad.

Just wanted to tell you, it does not make you any better.

You seem to revel in your rajput legacy , without believing in its core ideals. you can only revel, but never understand it. there were many others, incl Punjabis and Marathas, and the southern VijayNagar empire.

DarkStorm said...

Rajputs were allies of the mughals. remember jaichand. remember jodhabai was a wife of akbar, and from the rajput allies of mughals. :)

DarkStorm said...

last one, just stop now. or i posted on your blog earlier. lets continue there. I dont want others posts to be deleted and censored.

mitra said...

Darkstorm,

F**k AIT, F**k Rajputs, Get a drink in peace man. Listen to some music and relax. Do you like wagner?

But one thing about rajputs. They knew how to live life.

DarkStorm said...

>> BTW, Dont you think many acrimonious issues could be solved we we could get rid of those self-righteous teetotalers.

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forget the bumbling bjp fools, they dont represent hindutva, nor do i support them.

DarkStorm said...

wagner. that german guy who was banned in israel till some years ago ??

i am not much into classical, i m more into heavy dark rock. and no, neither do i listen to indian classical, and I hate urdu ghazals. (Ever wondered how they talk of sharaab and women other than their wife, when these very two things are banned in islam. Perfect hypocrites, arent they?).

its 920 here, and will leave when a friend joins me for the drink.
And yes, KingFisher with loads of rock. and chicks. :)

DarkStorm said...

I have vodka/whisky/bacardi when the mood is silent. Today is celebration time. :) Beer it is.

mitra said...

rajeev is not going to like such frivolous comments. Expect to get banned.

mitra said...

This is such a serious joyless blog, it makes you want to end it all( I'm a bit drunk now). dripping with pessimism -- cinema noir

Anonymous said...

mitrakhin ur head is still far up ur ass, the chinese must have enjoyed ur rajput behind,..ur pathetic attempts at humor are freakin' hilarious...it must s**k to be born as u...continue ur diatribe against all sane posters here. i for one enjoy ur self-flagellations and pathetic intellect

Anonymous said...

Dont take this blog too seriously. Rajeev is doing it for a living. We hang around for company. I told Darkstorm many times--AIT or not, makes no difference. Its an intellectual/pseudo-intellectual exchange and nothing else.


haha, i agree. This is apparently the "intellectual" wing of the HIndutva rightists. It is no wonder their "thought" is not taken very seriously--even by Malhotra, et. al.


So called OBC states like TN are waaaaaaaaaay ahead of heavily Aryanized, Brahminized states like UP, Bihar etc., so please Rajeev, stop shitting all over Tamils.

Anonymous said...

ahem ...excuse me anybody heard of the swish lately, that was Gujarat zooming past waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of "dravidian" or "secular" states while idiots keep up the "dravidian/secular" nonsense people are working enjoying and living their lives.

Anonymous said...

"Rajeev doing this for a living" ???wtf, anonymouse did you fit your head into mitrakhin's a**, wher did you get this fact from? provided by your commie, islamic, christist masters??? please educate others on your source...for I know it ain't true. I want to see how you try to justify spouting obvious lies?