Friday, October 28, 2005

economist: what's to stop india and china

oct 28th

a rather vague, hand-waving sort of article.

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5084621

in fact, the atlanticists have no good ideas about how to stop india and china.

they are trying their darndest. i loved the story in the pioneer that chamed ahlabi forwarded. great stuff, wonderful plant: divide and rule, eh? ROTFL. next it will be china saying it will support india if it drops japan. (why, china did say that just today. i saw it somewhere!)

yeah, right. and i have a rather large bridge in san francisco i'd like to sell you if you believe this.

US may back India for UNSC if it exits G4

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story1%2Etxt&counter_img=1?headline=US~may~back~India~for~UNSC~if~it~exits~G4

42 comments:

san said...

I rather liked this cute tech blog from this NRI Ravi Jain:

http://www.streettech.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=846&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

He does it during the commute to work in his car. Too funny.

pennathur said...

This can stop India and China

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=6407

san said...

Rajeev, please read these:

Older Krugman editorial on Greenspan:

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2005/08/krugman_pops_gr.html

Krugman's latest editorial on incoming Fed Chief Bernanke:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/102805M.shtml

I would tell you that if the twin threats of real estate bubble and foreign deficit-financing are realized, then the aircraft of the US economy will lose both its wings.

What should Indians look out for? Obviously, a sharp economic crunch would further drive US companies to seek cost-savings in offshoring more work to India. Unfortunately, India is already suffering severe wage inflation under a shortage of skilled workers:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_45/b3958050.htm

Please note the 2nd-to-last sentence in that article -- it prescribes widespread creation of 'boutique' schools in order to accelerate and specialize training, to churn out more skilled workers more quickly, to meet the immediate pressing needs. Indian IT had better get on the ball quickly, otherwise a surge in demand and wage-hyperinflation could lose them much opportunity.

Let's remember that a falling US dollar would mean more opportunity for Indian companies to make purchases and acquisitions of US businesses in order to shore up their near-shore front-end links to the US market.

indianpatriot said...

I will take shortage of labor with pinch of salt (For example in Mechanical Engineering). It is true that in the IT boom lot of Mechanical engineers from top schools (IITs, RECs) are working in software field in TCS, Infosys. That does not mean there is a shortage. The ABB idea of giving a simultaneous written test over internet nationwide would be a good solution to get fresher candidates. It makes a good business strategy for Indian companies to pretend skills shortage and charge higher American and European customers. Also in IT field in India most people move into project management after 6 years in software development unlike continuing to grow in technical path like technical architect etc.

san said...

Meanwhile, read about the "revolutionary path" being trod in Nepal:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/28/news/nepal.php

The "People's Liberation Army" is trying to continue their bloody game in Nepal, although they're being forced to temporarily reach out to other parties in order to overcome their isolation. But we can see that they get most of their arms from Indians. Our own Indian Communists have the blood of the Nepalese people on their hands, as if it wasn't enough to have the blood of Indians.

Anonymous said...

San,

Here's why it will take a couple of generations to wean people off the commies and "con-gress" and get them towards "pro-gress". Till then keep up the good work and enjoy the pathetic antics of these viruses.

http://in.rediff.com/money/2005/oct/29guest1.htm

Anonymous said...

Slave traders of China - and these people complain about Japan at the drop of a hat.

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510280025.html

san said...

LoL, I had to post this one for Rajeev, to give him a grin:

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Lenin going! Moscow now capitalist den

M Chhaya in Kolkata | October 01, 2005 17:25 IST


India's top Communist leaders are stunned and upset over Russian President Vladimir Putin wanting to remove Lenin's mummified body from Moscow's Red Square and give it a final burial.

The Kremlin this week reportedly announced that it was time to bury Lenin's body alongside other Bolshevik leaders.

The news has been received with bewilderment and anger by top Communist Party of India-Marxist leaders like Jyoti Basu and Anil Biswas.

So angry was Basu that he said socialism was finished in Russia and that capitalism had grown deep roots in Moscow.

"They (Russians) have buried Stalin's body and now they want to do the same to Lenin's. This is most unfortunate," Basu said.

Stalin's mummified body was kept alongside that of Lenin for many years, and Basu remembered one of his Russia visits when he had seen the mortal remains of both leaders together at the Red Square.

Also angry was CPI-M's politburo member Anil Biswas who said Lenin's body had remained in Red Square despite several attempts within a quarter in Kremlin to bury it.

"Lenin's mummified body is a Russian heritage and a national memorial in itself. We don't support the move to bury Lenin's body" Biswas said.

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So how do you make an Indian Leftist cry out in pain? Do you attack India, the country of his residence? Heck no, Indian Leftists don't give a hoot about India.

But as soon as you attack his real fountainhead, The Tomb of Lenin, then the Indian Leftist starts shreiking in agony! Has anyone ever seen the movie "The Picture of Dorian Gray"? It's about a man who stays perpetually youthful-looking, while a portrait of him shows the aging instead. This latest news story reminds me of that movie. Let's call it "The Picture of Dorian Lenin" ;P

Anonymous said...

Funny but entirely expected isn't it? Well somebody asked me in an earlier post on a different thread what is the meaning of "cuckold" which describes these commies and our own cuckolded jester "mitra"khin..so here is a link -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckold

mitra said...

SAN shithead:

Lenin is an icon of Marxism; that etitles him to respect from believers in Marxist Ideology. It is something which you idiots who think the world-only-consists-of-peddling-goodsand-talking-idiotic-mumbo-jumbo cannot understand. Why dont you spit on an idol of Krishna if icons dont mean anything?

mitra said...

SAN Shithead

Also disabuse yourself of any pretentions to intellectualism. I have seen your juvenille posts where you think you are the epitome of realpolitik thinking. You are nothing but a sad creature having a cybercoolie job.

Anonymous said...

good job cuckolded asswipe..
lenin the murderer = krishna = jesus = allah...Your best comment so far!!
You are developing a think skin btw...sad, its the ice in your vodka i tell you

mitra said...

And what a shithead this uneducated-techie-cybercoolie Rajeev is. Mindless paranoid drivel is just find as long as you guys go along. But as soon as his game is exposed...hey, censor the comments...fast . Such shamelessness... undoubtedely the legacy of topless ancestors.

Anonymous said...

lovely way to get your posts deleted you glorious example of butt-kicked cuckolded ancestry ...your high thinking posts insisting on supremacy of the most idiotic thoughts are a riot..kep up the high name of cuckolds by insulting all that is true and sane...can't get enough..one more hail mary! :)

mitra said...

And Rajeev , just like his RSS masters, is such a coward. As soon as a contrary viewpoint emerges...hey, hide the posts...fast. He is suddenly so solicitous of decency and decorum. Doesn't he realise that this is a "gutter" board.

Shadow warrior indeed, well named. Rajeev, what is malyalam for smoke and mirrors. That might be more apt.

san said...

mitra, in spite of our sparring - in your case it's projectile vomiting - I'm still genuinely interested in hearing your opinions on policy solutions for India.

Again, I'm not trying to taunt you on this, I'm genuinely interested in knowing what solutions you honestly think would be best for society. Your wisecracking doesn't bother me - it falls flat, actually - but it's the absence of any practical recommendations from you that puzzles me. Please give a practical suggestion on how India should respond to the latest bombing attack, for example. But something a little more specific than "anything but BJP/RSS" blahblahblah. I think it would be a better use of your time than the pointless verbal diarrhea you've been hurling so far. If you like, even post a link to some external article/site that can clue us in. Otherwise, you're showing much heat but little light.

mitra said...

SAN shithead:

Have you read the Alistair mclean novel - fear is the key. Take your clue from there. no grad strategy is needed in relations between societies and religions. It is as simple as when prehistoric man roved in bands. Unless you make the price to pay too high for the attacker, you are held in contempt-- to be slaughtered at will.

san said...

Alright mitra, thanks for at least saying that much. But even you in a previous comment commented on absurdity, complaining "what should we do, kick out all muslims?" etc.

When prehistoric man roved in bands, at least you could see who was attacking you and hit him back. With the anonymous hit-and-run nature of terrorism, then we're left with the absurd choices, as you say.

I would ask you if you feel we should attack Pakistan. I'm in favour of it, as you probably know, because they are the ultimate source for the terror. But of course they have nukes, which means mutually assured destruction, which obviously deters us. So how do you propose we make the price too high for the attacker, then? Thanks for your reply.

Anonymous said...

yo cuckold...getting it in the backside from your masters? why no entertainment for us?...let us see your gutter mouth spout some more vacuos comments...ditch the ice in vodka asswipe your resulting thin skin is leading you to see imaginary enemies..haha

mitra said...

SAN shithead:

There is some difference between kicking out the Muslims (which is impossible), and keeping them subdued. Have you noticed how Communal riots, which were a regular feature in the Gangetic plain a few years back, have stopped completely. You know why? Obviously you dont. But I do. I am from the Doab. High Muslim concentration.

Its because mosques in Saharanpur-Muzzafarnagar belt have been turned into veritable fortresses; with god knows what arms inside. And Hindus are scared shit. The PAC, which used to be scourge of Muslims(remember Malina) is now 25% Muslim. Hindus have always been cowards; and they used to riot from behind PAC's back. And the congress, blame it all you like; but the congress ensured that regular rioting took place.

You may blame Mulayam Singh for Islamization of PAC. But Mandal was not brought by congress. The Congress kept the report buried for years till it was unearthed by Non-congress parties, Jansangh included.Casteism has always divided Hindus--as it does now.

Should the role of a Hindutva party be limited to mouthing platitudes. I now what riots entail. How does a citizen wishing "Direct Action" go about.
Take out his licensed weapon and shoot? Who will give him the protection of the mob? who will furnish him with list of targets? who will ensure that a mob means noone is prosecuted individually? who will provide him inside support of sympathisers in magistracy and police? who will supply the illegal arms? who will fight cases on his behalf? and who will ensure that if he dies, his name is remembered as a martyr.

My grudge agaist BJP-RSS is that they are cowards pretending to be titans. The last stit in power has totally sapped the fighting spirit of the cadres. If BJP-RSS did not exist, Hindus would have formed a real party to protect their interests.

san said...

mitra, regarding Mandal, at the time it was trumpeted by Janata Dal, their idiot in the fur cap, and the other Yadav who feels bigger than Mulayam. But we can see that his last flailing gasps were not enough to save him from his own allies -- both Yadavs have since devoured the remnants of JD's base and frittered it away, so that all that's left are the estranged Yadavs of Bihar and UP, and other left-wing fragments like West Bengal. The rest have gone underground and declared war against the country itself, as Naxalites and Maoists.

The point of my recap here, is that I feel we have to defeat the Left-wing threat first before the Islamist one. This is because the Leftists/Marxists are a 5th Column in the Hindu camp, and one cannot go into battle worrying about being stabbed from behind.

Also, Marxists aren't a religion, they're just a dying ideology that has been discredited worldwide. So they are the easier target, especially in a climate of economic growth and globalization. They are the better choice to subdue first.

So are you saying you're pro-Samjwadi? They're not very nationalist, imho. Otherwise, who do you favor to win in UP and Bihar?

One good move from BJP's last stint was their carving new states from UP and Bihar. Not only did this break up much of the caste-feuding that is whole basis for SP and RJD power, but it earned BJP some gratitude in the new breakaway states.

How do you feel about further carve-ups of states? Do you feel it can be useful in dissipating wasteful caste-tensions? At this rate, I'm thinking one-caste-one-state might not be a bad idea.

san said...

mitra, regarding Mandal, at the time it was trumpeted by Janata Dal, their idiot in the fur cap, and the other Yadav who feels bigger than Mulayam. But we can see that his last flailing gasps were not enough to save him from his own allies -- both Yadavs have since devoured the remnants of JD's base and frittered it away, so that all that's left are the estranged Yadavs of Bihar and UP, and other left-wing fragments like West Bengal. The rest have gone underground and declared war against the country itself, as Naxalites and Maoists.

The point of my recap here, is that I feel we have to defeat the Left-wing threat first before the Islamist one. This is because the Leftists/Marxists are a 5th Column in the Hindu camp, and one cannot go into battle worrying about being stabbed from behind.

Also, Marxists aren't a religion, they're just a dying ideology that has been discredited worldwide. So they are the easier target, especially in a climate of economic growth and globalization. They are the better choice to subdue first.

So are you saying you're pro-Samjwadi? They're not very nationalist, imho. Otherwise, who do you favor to win in UP and Bihar?

One good move from BJP's last stint was their carving new states from UP and Bihar. Not only did this break up much of the caste-feuding that is whole basis for SP and RJD power, but it earned BJP some gratitude in the new breakaway states.

How do you feel about further carve-ups of states? Do you feel it can be useful in dissipating wasteful caste-tensions? At this rate, I'm thinking one-caste-one-state might not be a bad idea.

mitra said...

BJP-RSS have no leadership alternative.Who are their candidates: Murlimanohar Joshi - a typical physics professor, Promod Mahajan - a discredited scamster who cannot win a LS election. And , whether you believe it or not, the RSS core is staunchly brahminical. Why do you think there is so much effort spent on discrditing AIT; no westerner/muslim has said that hindus are illegitimate because of an invasion 3500 yrs ago. And even if someone has, why should we care? But it makes a difference to the brahminical core of RSS; If AIT occured - Brahmins are Racist exploiters of original races and they created the caste system to perpetuate racial segregation. But if AIT did not - they they are just a natural aristocracy like in other countries and can hence claim to be leaders of the society. That is why all this paranoia about AIT.

The BJP-RSS base in Gangetic plain has been totally eroded. The OBCs do feel that Hindutva uses them as foot soldiers for "dirty works"

Modi is a good choice. But he will not be allowed to become a national figure. Efforts are already on to cut him to size. He was born in the wrong caste.

mitra said...

BJP-RSS have no leadership alternative.Who are their candidates: Murlimanohar Joshi - a typical physics professor, Promod Mahajan - a discredited scamster who cannot win a LS election. And , whether you believe it or not, the RSS core is staunchly brahminical. Why do you think there is so much effort spent on discrditing AIT; no westerner/muslim has said that hindus are illegitimate because of an invasion 3500 yrs ago. And even if someone has, why should we care? But it makes a difference to the brahminical core of RSS; If AIT occured - Brahmins are Racist exploiters of original races and they created the caste system to perpetuate racial segregation. But if AIT did not - they they are just a natural aristocracy like in other countries and can hence claim to be leaders of the society. That is why all this paranoia about AIT.

The BJP-RSS base in Gangetic plain has been totally eroded. The OBCs do feel that Hindutva uses them as foot soldiers for "dirty works"

Modi is a good choice. But he will not be allowed to become a national figure. Efforts are already on to cut him to size. He was born in the wrong caste.

mitra said...

i have already replied to your post. see above your post. How come your post is shifting downwards.

san said...

mitra, so your complaint is that BJP/RSS is too soft on Muslims?? well if you're claiming to be the nationalist's nationalist and the hindu's hindu, then I still am not clear on what improved set of solutions you've been proposing. Regarding non-delivery of promises by BJP in some key areas, I don't see how that puts you in disagreement with others here. But do you acknowledge that RSS has a firmer platform than BJP has shown? BJP may have failed to accomplish certain things in its last sting, but how do you blame RSS for that? From my understanding, RSS was itself the first in complaining that BJP was departing from the promised agenda. And RSS is a lot older than BJP, as we know.

This departure was mainly due to the compromises of governance, unfortunately. And also Vajpayee turned out to be more disappointing than a US Supreme Court nominee.

Perhaps all Indians and all Indian parties suffer from tendency towards Nehruvian-style leader-worship culture, although some more than others. As a result, Vajpayee's soft-headedness became too deeply stamped on the govt policies. If that wasn't bad enough, now Advani too has succumbed to a bout of remorse, praising Jinnah and espousing love for the 2-nation theory, etc. So it seems that even the firmest national-level politician is vulnerable to the corrosive effect of political correctness. When I say "firmest" I'm speaking relative to whomever's out there, naturally. However RSS hasn't really compromised from what I see, and perhaps that's because they're not directly in the arena of electoral candidacy.

Advani is now quarrelling with the RSS, in a stupidly divisive move. RSS may now be floating alternatives to BJP itself thru Madan Lal Khurana & Co. Modi is also thwarting party rivals in Gujarat. All that is needed now is for RSS to name a successor to Advani, and he may be relegated to the wilderness. As you say, a high price may be inflicted upon him for undermining the unity of the movement.

But which individuals do you feel might be able to stand up better for national interests in the future? How do you feel about Modi?

mitra said...

<< Advani is now quarrelling with the RSS >>

Advani feels betrayed -- and rightly so. Advani was largely responsible for BJP victory in LS. What with his Rath yatra and Babri Masjid demolition( Though in Babri Masjid, Credit largely goes to Kalyan Singh - another OBC kicked out by BJP). BJP won on an extremist Hindutva platform. Where was Vajpayee then? But when time came for PMship, No advani please - he has an extremist image and will ot be acceptable. So Advani is out. Ok, give him home ministry; but take out all real powers by appointing Brajesh Mishra as National Security advisor. And if you dont know; Brajesh Mishra was the real PM.

So advani knows death is near. But RSS is never going to let him be PM. A Khatri as PM - so anti vedic.

san said...

Kalyan Singh was BSP and not BJP, and there are still possibilities for tie-ups with those who can oppose SP in UP. Advani's bad image was mainly due to our rentable/bribable media, along with Islamo-centric lobby who never shut up.

But I don't see that Advani should be absolutely indispensible like Nehru Banyan tree. He was the one who goofed by embracing Jinnah, and that's not to be taken lightly. The real problem was that he self-centredly refused to admit his mistake and take back his words, but instead adopted Banyan Tree approach. French King Louis14th had a saying "L'etat, c'est moi" ("I *am* the state"). Banyan Tree attitude is too Congress-like, so it's a non-starter.

Modi could do the job actually, with his growing stature. RSS has been staunchly behind him, and may be behind his surprise landslides over rivals. After all, they are the real base, while whatever Advani or any BJPer has is a mirage without RSS.

"All your base are belong to RSS"

mitra said...

>> Kalyan Singh was BSP and not BJP <<

What are you saying??? Kalyan singh was BJP .

Anyway. BJP-RSS has a very bleak future. Babri Masjid was a disaster for them. A nice plump electoral issue - gone for ever. Those OBC's of VHP-Bajrag dal; dont understand strategy. Give in to emotions. That is why these shudra castes can never rule. Ramjanmbhumi was to be kept alive. to be encashed again and again.

mitra said...

And SAN,

do not for a moment think that only the left does mind manipulation. Politics is about power - ideologies are only means - left or right.

You are in a matrix -- and, the Matrix has you.

san said...

mitra, I disagree -- elections will determine who commands the ship, and economic system (capitalist vs communist) will determine whether the ship is sailing ahead or sinking. If the communists were to ever win leadership of the country, they would be in command -- of a sinking ship. Because that's what socialism does, it sinks everything underwater.

So the marxist game is a losing one. They need to maintain economic deprivation in order to milk popular discontent. But there too, their followers give in to emotion. That is why they can never rule -- at least not properly. They'll be running around like Mao's Red Guards chopping people's heads off.

Same thing with Islamists. They give in to emotion too -- "submission." That's why they can't rule well either. They'll always be needing more heads to chop off or slap burkhas over, and they'll always be needing some infidels to crusade against.

I think market economy can overcome casteism, just as it did for Britain and Japan. They too were caste-riddled societies, but they overcame it with industrial revolution. We haven't had real industrial revolution yet, but it's starting. The more the economy is energized and starts churning things up, the more caste will disappear due to natural mixing.

mitra said...

SAN

I do agree with your assessment of effect of economic development on traditional structures. Urbanization does loosen caste bonds - it is inevitable.

But what kind of capitalism are you talking about -- laissez faire? It does not occur anywhere. The so called capitalist countries are much more socialist than we are. And what is BJP's position on economy. It is not a simple capitalism VS state economy. This hypercapitalistic posturing is just a ploy to attract NRIs.

san said...

Hmm, well not necessarily a bad ploy -- if we want to attract winners we have to look like a winner ourselves -- all the tiger economies are doing that. I hear what you're saying about need for some types of social welfare, in order to maintain social stability. But I think that as we transition towards a more healthy level of development, and everyone develops a healthy work ethic, then we'll be able to pare down the social assistance to only the most genuinely needy, as contrasted with our wasteful welfare state right now, and all the ethnic infighting to grab a share of it. I think that the faster we get the economy going, the more we'll escape the cobwebs of petty caste feuds. Like that saying -- rolling stone gathers no moss. We need to get rid of that moss -- so Let's Roll.

mitra said...

SAN

I agree with you that subsidies need better targeting; but thats easier said than done. How do you implement it? Needs a huge bureucratic apparatus. Contrary to what many think, the Govt apparatus is actually pretty thin on the ground, esp in outlying areas. So, here we have a situation where one person in the district office is responsible for funds amounting to crores of Rupees. Proper targeting needs proper identification. So we take the easy way out and distribute a pittiance to anyone who comes along. We are spending around 400 million Rs in IRDP; and it mostly goes waste. But no one has the guts to end it.

san said...

mitra, I agree that state apparatus is a dicey thing to depend upon, especially when it is thin on the ground and in rural areas, this is why parallel strategies have to be developed to bypass it.

since economic competitiveness is always a relative term, let's consider recent developments in rural USA relative to urban USA. State of Wyoming has mostly rural population with very few urban concentrations, but has recently seen a mushrooming of rural telecom/internet, because in rural areas there is much less competition for use of those airwaves. I think wireless is one upcoming tech which could strongly help rural areas close the gap with urbanized ones. Another hot new area is in distributed power generation and micro-generation of electricity for homes, such as these small wind turbine kits.

I would say that if welfare state and its subsidies is going to be gradually withdrawn and wound down, then private and self-help alternatives have to be thrust forth for people to grab onto, so as not to leave them in the lurch.

mitra said...

>> I would say that if welfare state and its subsidies is going to be gradually withdrawn and wound down, then private and self-help alternatives have to be thrust forth for people to grab onto, so as not to leave them in the lurch. <<

Thats easier said than done. The problem with portraying western style capitalism as an ideal to be emulated is that we are only using a snapshot of it, as it exists today. We forget the historical processes. Even the economic process in the US had a strong dose of state intervention in the begining, followed by crony capitalism of robber baron type. The institutions of a full fledged capitalist economy have to evolve, they can be just placed there and expect to start working. Look at what happened in Russia. I would place the Indian economy somewhere between state intervention and the crony capitalism phase. We have to give it some time. Also, we need to know what we want to specialise in. Currently, we are promoting the service sector. This is strictly not industrialization. We need to evaluate whether this software - BPO driven growth is sustainable in the long run.

mitra said...

We also make the mistake of condemning ourselves too much. All this talk about how good it would have been had we adopted a purely capitalist system in 1947 just displays, to my mind, ignorance of the reality as it existed then. Public policy is an area where you can only optimize - not maximize. There are always severe constraints and conflicting priorities; and the room for manoeuvreability is rather limited. And India was not unindustrialized in 1947. WW II had given an impetus to industrialization and the British did want to increase India's industrial output for boosting war efforts. And a sort of "natural" industrialization did develop - in textiles, cement and some light machinary in Calcutta / Bombay. Certainly private capital would not have wanted to develop Iron and steel, heavy machinary, mettalurgy and industrial chemicals. There wasn't sufficient capital, and neither was there sufficient demand. Only the Govt had the capacity to invest capital and spur demand. And it was a right thing to do.

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DarkStorm said...

mitra, senseless trolling again. ok talk about rajputs and AIT.

Anonymous said...

mitra forgets that Rajputs supplied their women to Muslim allies. so mitra has nordic genes. hahaha... ROFL

DarkStorm said...

>> If BJP-RSS did not exist, Hindus would have formed a real party to protect their interests.


true mitra, very true. bjp diverted from the RSS that is why the mess it is in. it is just that RSS does not find appeal, but it can be the org representing our interests (though i dont have much hopes).

DarkStorm said...

So advani knows death is near. But RSS is never going to let him be PM. A Khatri as PM - so anti vedic.


mitra, correction, advani is not a khatri. and mitra, someone has to be a leader. whether brahminical rss or whoever.

first of all it has to start with ourselves. we need to stop thinking about caste, and think hinduism first. our people our culture, we first.

in gujarat, there is unity amongst hindus, later they may quarrel amongst themselves. all castes, including so called Dalits, even brahmins, fought together against the criminal jehadis. you guys in UP doab are scared shit, because, you worry too much about rajput and brahmin and dalits and marxists. no wonder, you are scared shit and pour out your frustations here.

i, personally, dont buy from Muslims shops and avoid jehadi auto-wallas. Also, i dont care about jehadi asking me for help, in my workplace. I try to avoid as much as possible , any action which would benefit a jehadi.

I read in the papers long time back. you know in gujarat, near Surat, the local business community ostracised Muslims, after a muslim raped a woman. no one had any business relations with muslims. they were down on their knees , asking to resume business. muslim auto-wallas pasted OM stickers and Hindu symbols on their autorickshaws, but that did not work for long (So much for no idol - worship, ROFL).
I dont know whats the story now, but there is a strategy to control them. i take interviews sometimes in my workplace, and never have a cleared a jehadi.

my point is that you have to start it yourself, instead of cribbing about bjp and caste politics. things will improve if you initiate at the personal level, carry it to a small circle, then on to larger things. you cannot straightaway jump to the top floor, without going through the ground floor.

how many times have you contradicted yourself. I have lost count of that. werent you the one who talked AIT and rajput and trash.

San, dont even try to have a sensible talk with him. Over a number of posts, he changes stances. If you come to accept his point of view, he will take your previous position and continue. I have seen it so many times. Admit he talks sense sometimes, but it is rare.