Thursday, October 20, 2005

mckinsey: china's edu system is creaking

oct 20th

their college graduates are not well prepared to take part in the services industry (either).

http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/article_page.aspx?ar=1685&L2=18&L3=31&srid=17&gp=0

also available from that location as a podcast

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

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Randhir said...

Anony:

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pennathur said...

http://telegraphindia.com/1051020/asp/opinion/story_5372984.asp

More trouble..

Anonymous said...

This is only wishful thinking. China is an unstoppable juggernaut.

kaunteya said...

Yea "unstoppable" it is !!! send me ur address dude.. and get a free one way ticket to china from me.. and stay put.. don't come back from ur beloved land.. and spare us..

pennathur,
that was pretty enlightening.. if only we can expose china further..

Anonymous said...

I'm making some general statements here:

I think the Chinese are very competent, but nothing the Indians can't beat. Indians are generally more intelligent and less egotistic than the Chinese. However, the Chinese are better at teamwork than Indians.

At the end of the day, I think it's most important to stay within the bounds of Dharma, exert tremendous amounts of well-directed effort, and entrust the results to the Divine.

That said, it's much easier said than done, and only the best among us will be able to see this outlook to near-perfection.

infww said...

Quote from http://www.indiaabroad.com/money/2001/dec/01china.htm

Continues Monstratt, who is all appreciation for the Chinese software professional: "In short he's the closest you can get to a human machine. Of course, there are a few disadvantages as well. The Chinese software engineer is not as analytical as his Indian counterpart and is better suited for repetitive tasks. Hence, things like regression-testing and routine maintenance come to mind first. Writing software is a bit of a creative job.
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HAHAHA, inferior Chinese are fit only for repetitive tasks.

Anonymous said...

These opinions are . Of course I am sure that all those corporate executives who make these statements are talking from experience; maybe after screening a few 1000 and hiring and deploying a few 100. Having studied and worked with Chinese here in the US (as I have with people of many other nationalities, and as many of you must have) these generalisations serve me no purpose. I ignore them. What's more important is whether the system generates diverse thinking and creativity. The Indic tradition has so many different customs and practices that have ensured individual expression despite the best efforts of the plunderers of the last 1000 years (and the last 50). But some other cultures thrive on homgeneity where even creative thinking is sought to be stereotyped into a bland routine available on tap. That is the more serious problem. And the McKinsey study almost gets there. In India the educational system is teacher proof. Even if rote learning (an exaggeration and mischaracterisation if I have ever seen one) can get you through high school the higher reaches of education require exceptional thinking. Rote learning (despite what Tunku Varadarajan says) won't get you into the IITs, IIMs and IISc or the Civil Services. There are many sources of information assaulting your senses all the time. Let's use a broad brush with this comparison - how many social reform movements can you count in China before the Communist Revolution or the earlier KMT led wave of reforms? Now how many can you count in India over the last 5000 years?

DarkStorm said...

Dont underestimate the Chinese. We need to keep improving ourselves, keep striving towards our betterment. They may or may not be better than us. But they surely are carrying more weight than us now.

mitra said...

In my opinion, neither China nor India will ever become a superpower. These are both overpopulated, resource poor countries which can never generate enough surplus to maintain huge militaries(and thats what makes a superpower). Both Chinese and Indian armies are large but badly underequipped. Compared to US / NATO armies , these are like medieval armies.

But China should do better than India for several reasons:

1. A unified, homogenous society needing less internal policing.

2. Well developed, mature political leadership since they have always governed themselves- apart from a few brief interludes.

3. Not swayed by idealism- which has no place in Governance, politics or in relations between nations, as the Indians are prone to do, on account of inexperience and lack of exposure to real world.

4. The Chinese are practical and pragmatic, unlike the educated Indians who like to do Buk-Buk and philosophise on irrelevant topics.

5. The Chinese are not contemptuous of manual work.

6. The Chinese have more oil resources and more resources of all kinds.

mitra said...

IS THIS BLOG BEING CENSORED

Readers comments regarding controversial topics like Casteism, Aryan Invasion Theory etc are either being locked out or simply disappearing. I hope this is just a coincidence and not a reflection of Hindutva's inability to face rational discussion.

Latest to disappear " Economist:matrimonials and the online world; the persistence of caste" -

Anonymous said...

Nizhal Yodha,

Thanks for cleaning up the mess left behind by commie-xtian-jihadi trolls who attempt to hijack every thread and topic. They are free to take their purile childish rants elsewhere in this worldwide web.