Thursday, April 27, 2006

[ Tit for Tat - Jesus cartoons!]

apr 27th

hahaha, this is rich! jesus (may existence be upon him!) in ummm... a
certain stage of excitement, and frolicking with male pals, shall we say?

will we now see incensed mohammedans (after all, jesus is one of their
prophets too) attacking american consulates?

maybe this is where mohammed got his idea of the 72 girl virgins plus 28
winsome boys, should your fancies be in the ac/dc direction.

btw, 'asato ma satgamaya' and 'maya' apply nicely to jesus. from
nonexistence to existence, truth by repeated illusion :-)

incidentally, i have heard that hanged men sometimes ejaculate at the
moment of death.

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49925
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*BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
*'Jesus with erection' ignites outrage
Student newspaper publishes drawings in response to Muhammad 'toons
Posted: April 26, 2006
5:00 p.m. Eastern,© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Cover of the Insurgent (image altered for propriety).

A Catholic activist organization has written to Oregon's governor and
state lawmakers to protest a University of Oregon student newspaper for
having published cartoons showing Jesus Christ naked and with an erection.

In its March edition, the Insurgent , an "alternative" student paper on
the Eugene, Ore., campus printed 12 hand-drawn cartoons of Jesus as a
response to rival paper the Commentator having published the
controversial cartoons of Muhammad originally published in Europe that
sparked Muslim riots worldwide. The Insurgent claimed it published the
drawings to "provoke dialogue."

William Donohue, president of the Catholic League, said the university's
president, Dave Frohnmayer, had been unresponsive to complaints about
the drawings, so he had written to the governor, every state legislators
and the chancellor of the Oregon University System, among others.

Drawing featured inside paper spanning two pages (image altered for
propriety).

"The March edition of the Insurgent ... was one of the most obscene
assaults on Christianity I have ever seen," Donohue said in a statement.
"To make sure that the persons I wrote to understand how vile this
attack was, I sent a photocopy of the two most offensive graphics: one
was a depiction of a naked Jesus on the cross with an erection; the
other, titled 'Resurrection,' showed a naked Jesus kissing another naked
man, both sporting erections."

Donohue also says there were other depictions of Jesus on the cross that
were "so gratuitously offensive that only the most depraved would defend
them." He also noted the paper published two commentaries attacking
Catholicism.

"That all of this appeared in a student newspaper, during Lent, on the
campus of a state institution, makes one wonder what is going on at the
University of Oregon," added Donohue.

While not describing the more sexual drawings, the main student
newspaper at the university, the Oregon Daily Emerald, also criticized
the Insurgent.

"The Insurgent editorial indicates a desire to show Americans why the
original cartoons were so offensive to the Muslim world," wrote the
editor of the Emerald. "According to the editorial, 'What is "not a big
deal" in the US (sic) is apparently a humongous big deal to others. Why
should we assume it would not be?'

"However, printing home-grown cartoons depicting Jesus on a cross/pogo
stick or Jesus on a cross/hangliding apparatus are not inflammatory in
the same manner as the anti-Islam cartoons, and therefore fail to
produce the intended empathy from Christians to Muslims."

Added the paper: "Unlike the Danish cartoons, the Insurgent drawings
seem intended to simply incite controversy for controversy's sake rather
than making specific social commentaries."

A spokesman for Frohnmayer contacted WorldNetDaily after press time to
say that the university president had posted a statement regarding the
controversy surrounding the cartoons:

"I share your concern about the offensive nature of the content
contained within the publication.

"I understand why it may seem as if the University should have prevented
publication or should take some action against those responsible for the
publication. The Student Insurgent is not owned, controlled or published
by the University of Oregon and is funded with student fees. Therefore,
the University cannot exercise editorial control over its content.

"The best response to offensive speech often is more speech. ... I am
strongly opposed to speech that makes individuals feel that they or
their beliefs are unwelcome or belittled, and I can assure you I will
use all permissible means to respond to publications such as the recent
Insurgent."

22 comments:

Sailesh Ganesh said...

It never ceases to amaze me how hypocritical the western people can be. They seem to have not understood (or conviniently ignored) a very simple idea - the rest of the world does not think the same way that they do; nor is there any reason for the rest of the world to think the same way. This is also why most of their opinions and judgements on others do not hold much water, they expect others to follow standards that they deem fit.

r2idream said...

Rajeev,

I would like to draw your attention to an offensive article -

http://www.line56.com/articles/default.asp?ArticleID=7567

Regards,
r2idream

iamfordemocracy said...

r2idream, the article seems to make some sensible points. I didn't find much offensive intent there. Indeed, it is high time Indians Indians are made aware of this issue. Look at big companies like Patni computers, for example. People slog 24 hours like slaves. The managers trick them into thinking that it is alright. And the managers live a sorry life too. I, for one, like the article you have quoted.

san said...

The latest telegenic media mullah:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/28/news/muslimweb.php

My goodness, even Imran Khan should be jealous. Jemima would swoon over this guy.

EkSh00nyaSh00nya said...

>>It never ceases to amaze me how hypocritical the western people can be...

Sailesh, the problem with Western thinking is that it views everything in black & white (an eye for an eye approach -- I guess based on the Biblical teachings), there's no scope for grey area in it... and as such majority (mind you, not everyone) of them think that they are bestowed with the divine right to pontificate, esp., to (in their view) lesser mortals non-westerners as to how the affairs of the world should be conducted and this makes them @ odds with the latter!

Also, they tend to forget their own sins while gladly pointing to the shortcomings of non-Western religions and culture...iSomeone should tell them that if u point towards a person, remember three fingers are always pointing towards u!

san said...

Here's the best one yet:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060428/en_nm/vatican_davinci_dc_3

Vatican Urges Catholics to Boycott Da Vinci Code!

What a bunch of hypocrites! When Jews were being slandered in The Passion of Christ, then the Vatican was totally non-committal on the issue, preferring to let the market decide. And now when their own ox is being gored, then they're totally up in arms about it! Bunch of crooks.

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KapiDhwaja said...

The famous John Kenneth Galbraith dies at 97.

KapiDhwaja said...

Indian Cow Slaughter in Bangladesh.

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KapiDhwaja said...

The vile Taliban are at it again. Another Indian beheaded in the God-Damned country of Afghanistan.

My condoldences to Suryanarayana's family. May we not forget this, as well as past incidents of slaughter of kaffirs, when we finally deal with the blood-thirsty 'believers'.

KapiDhwaja said...

As a testimony that the 'piss' process with Terroristan is working, 22 Hindus killed by Laskar-e-Taiba in Kashmir. Yeah, the Pukis want Kashmir as a de-militarized zone and the dumb Sardar is obliging by willing to pull out of Siachen as well.

Sailesh Ganesh said...

ekshoonyashoonya: You are probably correct in saying that the the western view of a black and white world is based on the biblical teachings. It is always "being saved" or "eternal damnation" never mind if it makes any logical sense or not. The church has brainwashed the entire western society into believing in the superiority of the christian religion, and it is so ingrained in their minds that even the atheists tend to look down upon the third world "backward" people. But then you can never tell them this, it is only another paranoid primitive mind coming up with crazy ideas!

EkSh00nyaSh00nya said...

>>The church has brainwashed the entire western society into believing in the superiority of the christian religion,...it is only another paranoid primitive mind coming up with crazy ideas!...

Sailesh, you r right about the church (esp. Roman Catholic) brainwashing its followers in the superiority of Xtianity over everything else.. and as a matter of fact there is something called Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith: Dominus Jesus, a reassertion of the primacy of Catholicism over other religions.
(Source: Time Magazine's recent cover story on Opus Dei -- link: http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1184078,00.html Or if this doesn't work do a Google with the following query:"The Ways of Opus Dei" site:Time.com -- an unltraconservative Catholic sect that has been in the limelight since Dan Brown first mentioned them in his best seller The Da Vinci Code.

The world seems to have moved in the 25th century, but the Church still is grappling with the idea of human origins like the debate over Creationism vs. Evolution theory and has die-hard evangelical Xtains like Billy Graham or Pat Robertson (of Xtain Broadcasting Network -- who btw targeted his verbal wrath to the residents of Dover, Pennsylvannia, USA after they voted out the local School Board members who wanted this theory inculded in course curriculum) on the loose condemning (and in their warped view ) and damning those who disagree with all this -- farce -- being perpetuated on gullible masses and consequently wasting enormous time, resorces and money in getting the Judicial system involoved in an issue , which IMHO is simply a non-issue (who cares how the human beings originated or how is it going to benefit the human race as to whether its forefathers were the result of Adam & Eve's sinful act : LOL!).

Also, Church is nothing but a money-minting corporation (esp. in America) that pries on its gullible followers to fill its coffers, thereby enabling it to indulge in rampant proselytization and evangelical activities esp. in third-world countries, where these acts are a constant source of consternation and heartburn with the native people.

As someone said:
Xtainity started in Palestine as a brotherhood... when it came to Europe it became a culture..in America it became an enterprise.

So, its all about money... nothing, not even remotely spiritiual about Church and its teachings!

san said...

Oh look, the Vatican is starting up their own MySpace type of social networking site:

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_19/b3983057.htm

It looks like everybody else is going to have to follow suit then.

san said...

Asian Bishops Demand Vatican Accept Religious Pluralism:

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=oped&file_name=opd3%2Etxt&counter_img=3

It's good to see an acknowledgement that something is lacking in the Vatican.

KapiDhwaja said...

At last the BJP is waking up and making the right noises and voicing its opposition to the Nuke deal. That the the US is concerned about the BJP's stand and gives a lot of importance to its views, is gauged from the sudden dinner meeting that former US ambassador Robert Blackwill had with Jaswant Singh last week in New Delhi.
Here is a good article from the Telegraph from Kolkata...


TIME FOR A HARD LOOK
- The BJP’s view on the nuclear deal should be taken seriously
diplomacy K.P. Nayar

It is time for the prime minister, Manmohan Singh, to sit up and take a long, hard look at India’s foreign policy, of which he has been directly in charge now for six months. He must do it quickly for his own protection because depth and insight are returning to the Bharatiya Janata Party’s views on external affairs.

Less than three weeks ago, the BJP finally came round to a considered view that the nuclear deal between Manmohan Singh and the president of the United States of America, George W. Bush, is not in India’s interest because of the way this agreement is presently structured. This decision — which will have long-term implications for Indo-US relations — was not an easy one for the leading opposition party in its present state of health.

An unintended fallout of L.K. Advani’s Jinnah episode last year was the virtual turfing out of Yashwant Sinha from any role of consequence within the BJP, especially on matters of foreign policy. The accident of Sinha’s shift from North to South Block during the second half of the Vajpayee government’s tenure had become an albatross around the party’s neck after it lost power. Following the Jinnah episode, Sinha first lost his job as the party’s spokesman, and soon afterwards, any influence on the decision-making process in the BJP on policy.

Jaswant Singh is now the final arbiter on external affairs in the BJP, and whatever else may be wrong with the party now, he is making an imprint within the ranks of the opposition in that role. As part of a laboured effort to reach an unambiguous stand on the Indo-US nuclear deal, Jaswant Singh has compiled three files of more than 300 pages on the follow-up to the deal, which includes American Congressional testimonies and policy speeches. They also include answers to 82 questions by the US state department to Senator Richard Lugar, chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, which is currently scrutinizing the arrangement with India.

At Jaswant Singh’s prodding, several people in leadership positions in the BJP have now gone through these documents. In addition, he has been explaining the intricacies of the agreement and its implications to his party’s MPs. It is proof of the thoroughness with which the former external affairs minister has ingested the complexities of the July 18 deal and its follow-up that he can quote almost verbatim from a testimony by the US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, or a Congressional question by Senator Paul Sarbanes, without opening his files or thumbing through its voluminous material.

What Manmohan Singh has to worry about is that what the leader of the opposition in the Rajya Sabha has done by way of dissecting, analyzing and interpreting the agreement is much more than what can be said of anybody in his council of ministers. Not Anand Sharma, the minister of state for external affairs; certainly not E. Ahamed, the other minister of state in South Block. With his hands full, it is highly unlikely that Manmohan Singh himself has gone through every bit of documentation on the follow-up to the deal, the prime minister’s formidable reputation for detail notwithstanding.

Thanks to such thorough work, the BJP now wants to pick holes in the prime minister’s contention that his nuclear deal with Bush will bring about India’s energy security. Jaswant Singh has told his party colleagues in parliament and outside that even the idea that eight per cent of India’s energy-needs will be met in two decades if the deal is on track is illusory. The BJP has also come to the conclusion on the basis of developments in Washington and New Delhi, after Bush’s visit to India, that what the nuclear deal in its present form will bring for the country is worse than the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, and equally, worse than the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

The BJP now believes, after reconsidering the mood on Capitol Hill and Congressional testimony by Bush administration officials, that the promise to India in the July 18 White House joint statement by Bush and Manmohan Singh — of “same benefits and advantages as other leading countries with advanced nuclear technology, such as the US” — will remain a mirage as long as India is not accepted as a nuclear weapons state. What is extremely disturbing for the party is Rice’s unequivocal statement that “India is not and is not going to become a member of the NPT (as) a nuclear weapons state”, and that “this initiative with India does not seek to renegotiate or amend the NPT”. The only way India can gain the status of a nuclear weapons state is through the NPT, but that option has been shut by Rice on New Delhi’s face.

Under these circumstances, it is the BJP’s view that going ahead with the nuclear deal in its present format will be tantamount to India accepting a permanent backward status in the global nuclear arena. Jaswant Singh’s research has detected a growing dissonance between the Indian government and the Bush administration on the fundamentals of the agreement, with New Delhi insisting that its deal with the US is about energy, not about arms control or non-proliferation, and Rice poetically describing “energy and non-proliferation as the two halves of the same walnut”.

As the follow-up negotiations progress, between India and the US on the one hand and between India and the International Atomic Energy Agency on the other, the opposition intends to take the prime minister to task for going back on his commitment to parliament that New Delhi will negotiate an additional protocol with the IAEA only after the US has enacted legislation exempting India from American laws that prohibit Indo-US nuclear trade. The opposition will also object to India’s ongoing discussions of that protocol with American officials even as the country is being kept in the dark about the content of these discussions.

A nine-page letter written by Jaswant Singh to Manmohan Singh is a long list of the BJP’s objections to the deal in the light of new, day-to-day developments. Among the more serious objections is the absence in the agreement of a mutually acceptable mechanism to determine if India is in violation of the safeguards on its nuclear plants, which will be in perpetuity. “Who, Mr Prime Minister, reports, then examines and finally judges whether there is any violation?” asks a concerned Jaswant Singh of the prime minister in his letter. It is an important question because a judgement of violation can make the agreement null and void, and overturn the entire energy edifice that is built on it.

Jaswant Singh’s thorough research into all aspects of the nuclear deal and its follow-up is reminiscent of the preparations on the Indian side that went into each of his meetings as deputy chairman of the Planning Commission and later as external affairs minister with Strobe Talbott, Bill Clinton’s deputy secretary of state. Those meetings led to an easing of sanctions against India for Pokhran II and the dawn of a new era in Indo-US relations.

That said, the BJP is not against a nuclear deal with the US: it is only against the deal as it is structured now in terms of follow-up action to the July 18 agreement. Countries like Israel, which are sure of where it is going on an issue or a policy, often bring in the opposition to work with the government on such issues. Given Jaswant Singh’s success rate in Washington with Talbott, the prime minister should perhaps find a way of involving the leader of the opposition in the Rajya Sabha in the negotiations with the US instead of just briefing him, if the nuclear deal is to be pushed through to its logical end.

EkSh00nyaSh00nya said...

>>the prime minister should perhaps find a way of involving the leader of the opposition in the Rajya Sabha in the negotiations with the US instead of just briefing him....

Wishful thinking indeed... as long as this moron -- prime-minion -- is in the chair and takes order from the Italian Barmaid, India might resign itself to the fact that its fate is indeed sealed.

Wonder, how long is gonna take the Indians to realize that this moron just to please his political masters (or is it mistress?) and public display of his mental servitude to all things 'white' has proved to be one of the worst leaders India ever had (alongside Joker Lal Nehru -- and his clan -- and V P Singh).

Matt Watson said...

>>"Xtainity started in Palestine as a brotherhood... when it came to Europe it became a culture..in America it became an enterprise."

Hello, everyone. I found this blog by a link on my friend's (Shivakumar-you know him?) blog. I am a Christian, but I do understand everyone being mad at "Christians" here. I just want to remind everyone that there is a difference between those who call themselves Christians and Christianity. There are many people who believe they are Christians but are not, according to the definition in the Bible. Don't let the people you all have referred to be the prototype for Christians. Also, let me rephrase the above quote as it should be phrased: "CHRISTianity (Christians are followers of Christ, not X or nothing) started in Palestine as a brotherhood... when it came to Europe and America it became a culture and an enterprise and therefore ceased to be Christianity."

--Matt Watson

Kaunteya said...

death of pramod mahajan is a big blow to bjp...
narendra modi is pre-occupied with gujarat and media/ndtv manufactured issues. that leaves very few dymanic people in second rung.
vajpayee is already over the hill and advani is trying one too many stunts to keep afloat..
arun jaitley and sushma swaraj are at best middle class / cow belt icons..

vaccum is too large to fill now.. it is beginning of the end for the BJP..

whatever may be anyone's opinion about BJP, it is a significant organization within the hindu nationalist's scheme of things..
a weak BJP means a stronger Congress and a stronger communist+laloo+mulayam+paswan+mayawati

i guess swapan das gupta was spot on when he asked hindus to "convert,perish or migrate".

KapiDhwaja said...

Kaunteya, you can't give up, especially with a name like yours.:-) Yes Mahajan's demise is a great loss. He had excellent PR skills. But fortunately, we are a 1 billion people country. I am sure there are dozens of Mahajans around.

Personally I like Yashwant Sinha. He is a straight shooter. He did a great job while he was the foreign minister. Then there is Arun Shourie, Arun Jaitely, Arun Singh(in the background) etc.

Farmdog said...

You are a Hypocrite if you believe that these cartoons of Christ are a good thing. Was the picture of Mohamed with a bomb on his head in a Christian publication? The author of the Jesus cartoons says that he was trying to teach westerners a lesson. Is it right to do evil to the innocent in order to get them to sympathize with others. The author admits that what was done to the Muslim faith was very wrong, (which I agree). Then he goes and does the same to the Christain faith. Many of you cheer him like he is some kind of hero. Only hypocrites think that way. Would you cheer a rape, a murder, molestation, or a beating of a persons loved one in order to help them sympathize with another persons feelings? Again it was not a Christain organization that printed the Mohamed cartoons. If you call Christians hypocrites, maybe you should look in a mirror, so you can have a better view of what a hypocrite looks like.