sept 19th
this man is interesting. he's a china booster, but his indian wife died in a chinese hospital because of chinese racism. they didn't pay attention to her because of her race. (martin jacques told me this himself, and you can google for more details).
the idea that the end of colonialism and the end of the colonial plunder was very key is useful to reiterate ad nauseam.
we should also be asking for massive reparations a la chinese blackmail of japan.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,1572204,00.html
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I will say this -- as bad as the British were, India would have been a hell of a lot worse off under Portugese or French rule.
Also, I'm convinced that collaboration with both the French and British in the 18th and 19th centuries probably saved India from being completely oblitrated by the Mohammedans.
Anonymous:
Thats not true. Just before the british came to India, the maratha empire was stronger and was expanding. Even the Sikhs were gaining in strength. The mughal dynasty were finished. More likely, we would have seen more Hindu rulers ruling India had it not been for the british coming to India.
Deshpande
Stupid Natwar says to appease 150 million shias in India we need to support Iran (who bought illegal nuclear stuff from Pakis) and be unfriendly to all of the West. Is he nuts ?
Our dear Nitwit Singh is a combination of Nehru and Krishna Menon. What can you expect? Even the Pakis dont wear the trademark muslim fur cap, while this secular nut continues to do so, even though he is Hindu.
Check out the author's earlier article on racism:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1046035,00.html
The way he defines it, I think our secularists and Xians are guilty of "reverse racism" while the hardcore hindutva ppl are guilty of racism.
Sometime back, China demnded Japan to say "sorry" for the WWII atrocities.....and I think the Japaned "did" say sorry.
I always wonder why cant India ask British Queen to say "sorry" for all the 200yrs of atrocities??
The point about what Evangelical 'Christians' think of Hindus is often forgotten by those who rail against 'Atlanticists' or grovel before the Goopers.
Pat Robertson's views about Hindus are well known and has never recanted them.
While no one should forget nor forgive Her Majesty's Government role in the death of scores of millions since the 1850s alone, we would be especially naive if we inored the role played by GOP governments in both arming Pakistan and turning a blind eye while that government began a camapaign of genocide against India (starting in Punjab in 1983 and then Kashmir in 1989)
Surya, Whose India are we talking about? For the few "unconquered" Bharathvasis like us apology from the wizened witch is of no consequence; in fact insincerity and duplicity are hardwired into the brits. The rest you know comprise the "useful idiots".Sample these:-
The incorrigibly pretentious actor from the South while launching a movie about the freedom fighter 'Marudhanayakam',crawled on all fours, begging the old hat to clap the inaugural shot! The very same actor, who announced in a TV interview with a smug smirk of having "renounced" his "religion" (no marks for guessing...Hinduism!) had the temerity to twirl his now-you-see-now-you-don't-moustache and lead a delegation with shabana azmi and co to the then PM Narasimha Rao claiming,"the babri mosque is Indian history's treasure(sic)and so be restored".The tamil weekly 'Kumudam'(run by secular idiots) had him elected "the man of the year"(sic)for this
effrontery!
The dabbawalas of Mumbai pooled their money and gifted an expensive silk sari(or whatever)to charles' camilla!
Mr.Know All--'cho',the political analyst, pontificates that it is churlish of Indians to demand an apology from them.
Our browns are more white than the whites.
Kalyani,
I agree with whatever you said.
But, my point was...if India as a nation can make the Brits say sorry....that helps us in changing the mindset of other countries.
You look at any country...they think that India is a meek, docile country which cant even contain a small neighbouring state like "bangladesh".
This is more of a diplomatic battle than muscle strength.
Though I dont expect this to happen with "nitwit" singh being the External Affairs minister...
remember when that Pope John Paul said "mea culpa" to middle east and east europe for all the "crusades"....
Anti-GOP anonymous, it is not only the Republican Party that has been mean to India. Democrats have been equally obnoxious. Just because you may have some domestic reasons to support the Democrats, it doesn't mean that they are better for India. For instance, the most awful nuclear ayatollahs are Atlanticists. The worst bitches like Robin Raphel who simply hated India and loved Pakistan (it is rumored that she was getting rammed by a Muslim at the time, and he probably despised her a white whore) was a Democrat. There's nothing to choose between them. Pat Robertson-like assholes on one side, and Robin Raphel-like assholes on the other. No point looking to the US to come to the rescue of India. India has to assert itself. But that's not possible when all the politicians are in the pay of various other countries, as in the Mitrokhin story. By the way, what's a 'swallow'? A honey-trap is a pretty woman seducing a guy and then blackmailing him.
Hi Rajeev,
Interesting comments.... well, let me add few of mine...
But before, have you read the news of a 'Hindu personal law board' being formed in Lucknow?
Wow, this is some step (However small) in speaking out against lopsides 'secular' antics.
And also I came across this article in Deccan chronicle (A third rated page-3 masala paper) where in the author wrote of Hindutva as Hindu 'theocracy'.
Anyway, such idiots will never understand the meaning of Ram Rajya.
Well, as mentioned in one of the opinions, Shia Iran is better off than a hostile Pak or a wahabbi Saudi.
Well, Iran has no good relations with Pak and thus, we might use enemy's-enemy relation. Yes, Iran has its own short-falls of a ruling class of mullahs who can over-rule the elected President. but do the Iranians cause any harm to us? NO. They do fund Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, but they are limited to Israel-Palestine conflicts and Osama is not in favour of Iran, and It would be Bush-ian talk of any relation of Iran-Alqaeda. So, Our priority should be destruction of Pakistan and Saudi, the bases of Terror rather than Iran, which I feel can be dealt without having to resort to millitary means.
As for some talk about US not attacking Pakistan because of Iran, I feel, US will support Pak so long as it exists, because it needs Pak not for anything else but to cut India to size.... Yes, Its US which has either ignored or encouraged all misdeeds of Pak, and the basic reason for British and US to carve Pakistan was for limiting India, which they foresaw as a future competitor. (anybody who is not their ally like West Europe or Japan)
Think why, inspite of knowing the Paki hands behind 9/11 and AQ Khan fiasco, why Us doesnt attack it, inspite of having improved relations with India? Because there is a very sinister thing going on between the Two.
India need not look for any outside help/allies, we need to take care of our own, Democrats or Republicans are same people with different hues, dont expect any support for India from them..... expect for a few India-lovers.
And NRIs fight.... especially Hindus dont get bundled as 'South Asians' or Asians, show ur distinct identity, say you are Indian and not the idiotic classification done by Pakis and India haters.
Was reading a news piece of Indian Lions getting killed on rediff where The author mentioned Asiatic Lion.... come on..other than Africa Its only in gujrat that we have Lions...then why make it Asiatic and not Indian?????
I left a comment, but I doubt whether they will publish or not...
-Sameer
is rediff.com controlled by communists and KGB(with Italian hands)? I thought it was different
FWIW, Robin Raphael's husband was Arnold Raphael(then U.S. ambassador to Pak) -- who died in 1988 along with Gen. Zia in that plane crash.
What defacto parity with India? Pakistan has alway been nothing more than a client state -- first for the U.S. back in the fifites and then China joined the mix sometime in the sixties.
It is a classic kleptocracy with no industrial infrastructure to manufacture planes, nuclear power or anything of substance. Either the Chinese or the Americans have to hand the Pakis everything on silver platter -- and they will stll bungle it as they did with American tanks in 1965.
China used the Pakis to bleed India - while the Americans looked the other way. India has still risen despite this.
I've heard that there was a massive slaughter of Shias in Pakistan (you won't read about in the Western press) soon after Mushraff came to power. But the Iranians and Iraqis haven't forgotten that.
Also, form what I've heard that there is a strong link between the Shia in Iran and Iraq and the muslims in Hyderabad (Deccan) becasue the Nizam was Shia.
A comptetent, capable, secure Indian goverment would use those Shia links to envelop Pakistan in their own Jihad.
No instead we seem to worry about perceived insults by the widow of a former U. S. ambassador to Pakistan .
Musharraf massacred Baluchi Shias.
If India has risen, imagine how much more it would have risen had there been no China to bleed India.
You are probably not aware that the woman you dismiss as the 'widow of a former US ambassador to Pakistan' was Clinton's chief of operations for the subcontinent. Robin Raphel was Asst Secy of State for South Asia. She had plenty of power and she used it against India.
A sensible Indian government would be fomenting intra-Muslim conflict, and Muslim-Chinese conflict left and right. But then if the UPA is on the payroll of the Muslims and Chinese, of course they wont do this.
this is the massacre to which I made reference (it apparently happened way before Mushraaf):
b raman
I've been in the U.S. since before most of you were probably born, but I recall reading that the Nizam of Hyderabad was the last Shia Caliph anywhere in the world.
Again, I know this sounds bloodthirsty, but shouldn't India be urging the Shia of Pakistan to turn on Mushraaf? Surely, the could find some agents in A.P.?
Good comments by San.
FYI, Shias do not constitute the majority of the India Muslim population. They are about 20% of muslims.
India ought to break this hypenation with Pakistan by itself by offically declaring China our 'strategic competetor', and educate Indian's on the threat they pose to us.
Once we Indian's get fixated on this notion, we will collectively try to out shine the Chinese in every field possible; human development,economics,science,technology,military,sports etc. Sending (and bringing back safely!) an Indian astranaut to space indigenously could be one example.
This is very much possible.
We should compare ourselves to the Chinese and compete with them fiercely, and in a few years time(of work),Pakistan will just fade away from our minds.
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