Monday, January 15, 2007

economist wants india to give kashmir to pakistan

jan 15th, 2007

very well. let's say their arguments are valid.

so why didnt they give their colony of northern ireland to the irish republican army then?

good for the goose is not good for the gander. double-standards, eh? bloody limeys!

http://www.economist.com/daily/columns/asiaview/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8513648&fsrc=nwl

as reader shahryar noted:

Excerpt from Lessons of the Northern Ireland Peace Process

Lesson #1 is that the state must defend itself at all costs


The state must demonstrate its staying power against those who challenge it with violence. Once a terrorist campaign has been launched, the government has no choice but to oppose it with all available resources. The state must demonstrate that it retains a monopoly on the legitimate use of force. This right, which inheres to every state, cannot be challenged by any non-state actors, especially terrorists. And the state has to sustain this policy, which is really a case of political willpower, over a period of years.


Without a demonstration of the government's stamina to prosecute the war, the state would cede its authority and cease to exist. The group in opposition would simply triumph by force of arms. There may be peace, of a sort, but it would be a false peace -- and certainly not a peace process.


As we know, the British government proved it would not be cowed, but would instead respond forcefully to the IRA. Over a period of years, the message became clear. Try as it might, the IRA could not drive the British from Northern Ireland.

6 comments:

KapiDhwaja said...

Yes, Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland. Not Eng-Lund.

Malvinas(Falklands) belong to Argentina. Not Eng-Lund.

Diego-Garcia in the Indian Ocean must be declared an independent country. Not belong to Eng-Lund.

Scotland must be declared an independent Kingdom.

Wales...

Ghost Writer said...

Rajeev,
British 'expertise' can be traced to most conflicts in the world today. Specifically let me highlight the middle-east. It was the carving out of the Ottoman empire into incoherent nation states - a British & French led effort let it be noted - that
1- Created states such as Iraq (a non-nation in the trues sense of the word),
2- Denied the Kurds what it gave to every other entity - a national homeland based on ethnicity
3- Cleaved and separated the Muslims from the Christians (Syria vs. Lebanon)
4- Promised the Israelis and the 'Palestinians' a claim to the same land (akin to India realtors selling the same house twice to different parties)
5- Tried so hard to woo the Arabs (anyone remember 'Major' Lawrence?) while the grand Mufti of Jerusalem hopped into bed with Hitler
...

KapiDhwaja said...

AEC Chairman Anil Kakodkar being quite candid about the Nuke Deal...

"Implementation of Hyde Act would mean shifting of goalposts"

KapiDhwaja said...

Bloody racist bastards & bitches from Eng-Lund...
Shilpa Shetty faces racist abuse on UK show

KapiDhwaja said...

From Euroabia...

Hindus oppose call for swastika ban

* From correspondents in London
* January 17, 2007

HINDUS in Europe are joining forces to oppose German calls for a law across the European Union banning the display of Nazi symbols, saying the swastika symbolises peace and not hate.

Hindus in Britain, the Netherlands, Belgium, France and Italy plan to visit each EU member state, European Commission leaders and members of the European Parliament to garner support for a pressure group intended to resist the German move.

Germany plans to use its presidency of the EU to launch an initiative which could lead to common laws across the bloc making it a crime to deny genocide and display Nazi symbols.

"The swastika has been around for 5,000 years as a symbol of peace. This is exactly the opposite of how it was used by Hitler," said Ramesh Kallidai of the Hindu Forum of Britain.

"It is almost like saying that the Klu Klux Klan used burning crosses to terrorise black men, so therefore let us ban the cross. How does that sound to you?"

The European umbrella group of Hindus plans to launch in the European Parliament in May.

The swastika, the symbol of Hitler's Nazi Party, is banned in Germany, which assumed the EU's six-month rotating presidency on January 1. In Hindu tradition, it is one of the religion's most sacred symbols of peace.

Germany, alarmed by a rise in far-right crime, wants to harmonise the rules for punishing offenders in member states.

"In Germany the fight against racism and xenophobia is both an historic duty and a current political concern," Germany's Justice Ministry said, laying out its plans earlier this month.

Mr Kallidai said Germany's initiative was probably well-meaning but there had been no consultations.

"Every time we see a swastika symbol in a Jewish cemetery, that of course must be condemned. But when the symbol is used in a Hindu wedding, people should learn to respect that," he said.

"In Sanskrit it means May Goodness Prevail. Just because Hitler misused the symbol, abused it and used it to propagate a reign of terror and racism and discrimination, it does not mean that its peaceful use should be banned."

KapiDhwaja said...

Here is the first step towards writing off Kashmir. The devious "Invertebrate" Singh & Kangress wants to pull out of Siachen despite the Indian Army's objections, to cozy up with Terroristan.

From the Pioneer...

India's pullout from Siachen on cards

Rahul Datta | New Delhi


Govt to take a call on Musharraf's wishlist

The UPA Government is likely to make a final decision on troop pullout from Siachen glacier very soon as the top political leadership is favourably inclined to demilitarise the world's highest battlefield.

Eager to step up the peace process between India and Pakistan, the political leadership may skirt the concerns raised by the Army that Pakistan should first agree to authenticate the troop positions on the glacier divided by 110-km long actual ground position line (AGPL).
Indian soldiers patrolling the Siachen Glacier near the Forward Logistics Base (FLB)

Keen to convert the glacier into a "mountain of peace," Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is likely to take up the issue of troop pullout within the next two or three days with his Cabinet colleagues.

Realising the political implications of the issue, he is also likely to discuss it with Congress high command, including party president Sonia Gandhi.

The Cabinet is also likely to discuss the possibility of the Prime Minister's maiden visit to Pakistan though External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee made it clear in Islamabad on Sunday that such a visit was not in the offing in the near future, sources said here on Tuesday.

Pakistan is reluctant to authenticate the troop positions and its Foreign Minister Khurshid Mahmood Kasuri said in Islamabad on Sunday that he did not want to get into a battle of words. He said, "We could find ways and means to meet India's concerns but we have to let the officials meet."

Stating this in a joint conference with Mukherjee, Kasuri said his Government had presented a very detailed plan for the resolution of the Siachen issue and methods to identify troop positions and termed the plan as a complete package. He also said this method could be worked out on the basis of these proposals and officials of the two sides would meet soon for further discussions.

The Pakistan Foreign Minister, however, refused to divulge the details of the plan and said Foreign Secretary Riaz Mohammad Khan had given the plan to his counterpart Shiv Shanker Menon during their meeting in New Delhi in November last. Two months ago, Kasuri had claimed that the Siachen issue was about to be resolved during his Foreign Secretary's visit to New Delhi, adding political will was needed to address it.

The Pakistan Foreign Minister reiterated this on Sunday last, too, and said it could be resolved within days given the political will, adding a lot of work had been done on this issue.

The Defence Secretaries and officials of India and Pakistan have met 10 times since the two countries decided to work out a mechanism to address the final objective of demilitarisation in 1987 when former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and his counterpart Benazir Bhutto were at the helm of affairs.

The two armies are operationally deployed there for the past 24 years and the Indian defence establishment does not want to be taken off guard in case Pakistan reoccupies the heights. At present, the Indian army has the strategic advantage of commanding all the major high points of the glacier, thereby providing it access to the mountain passes.

However, Pakistan is in a better position as it has to maintain less arduous logistical support to its army due to favourable gradual descent on its side of the glacier. Pakistan, moreover, has better access to the glacier as the road heads are closer to the less steep heights.

India, on the other hand, has to maintain all its logistical support through air due to extremely rugged and harsh terrain where temperatures hover between minus 30 to minus 50.