Thursday, February 09, 2006

vijayanagar

feb 9th

apropos of indianpatriot's post on vijayanagar, we should all go to hampi to see the ruins of that great city. this is truly the symbol of india -- the 'teardrop on the face of time'. of great glory devastated.

at its peak it was the largest and richest city in the world. it was about 500 sq. km. in size!

in terms of prosperity, i have never quite understood how they became so rich, possibly because they controlled the trade on both coasts, and also because they had a rich agricultural surplus, and also because of their monopoly trade in diamonds (they had all the known diamond mines in the world!).

but it's unbelievable how rich it was. there are seven bazaars, each of them quite large. the largest was *almost a mile long* -- a huge shopping mall, with stalls (some of them double-storied) on each side of this thoroughfare leading to the vitthala temple. a very wide thoroughfare too, something like 150 feet wide.

and one of the bazaars was the courtesan's bazaar -- there was enough prosperity to support a huge bazaar that had nothing but courtesan!

and it held back the mohammedans from south india for 300 years, and basically saved south from the kind of cultural hollowing-out that the north experienced. as a small instance, ask yourself why all the classical dances of india are concentrated in the south: kathakali, bharata natyam, kuchipudi, odissi (not forgetting manipuri). it's because the civilizational attack by mohammedans had denuded north india of its traditional culture. similarly, after the sack of nalanda, science and mathematics flourished only in the south (eg. the kerala school). that, too, disappeared from the north.

vijayanagar was the great bulwark. this is why when they finally got the chance, the mohammedan sultans *burned it for six months* so that nothing was left except stone! and even the stone they mutilated as much as they could.

you need to go to vijayanagar to see how correct will durant was when he said "civilization is a precious good, constantly under attack".

18 comments:

indianpatriot said...

One month back I had posted similarity between Bush and Soudi Prince(One Christian fundamentalist and another Wahabi fundamentalist). By the way Vijayanagar empire lost the battle in Thalikota in 1565 due to internal sabotage when some muslim generals defected to sultanate.( I could not find out the links). In present day India we have lot of such traitors. Advocacy for US in Manmohan Singh, Chidambaram, Jairam Ramesh (who advocated India sign NPT in 1996) and Jaswant Singh in BJP, usual Mohamadon , marxist and chrisist sympathizers. In that context it is essential to reject nuclear agreement in toto with US and start testing. With present growth rate in Indian economy US corporations will come running with conditions favorable to India if India shows some spine.

Insults to the Mahatma, ignored by India

February 09, 2006


George W Bush's protocol handlers have notified South Block that the American President's deep belief in his born again faith precludes his visiting Mahatma Gandhi's Samadhi at New Delhi's Raj Ghat -- during his forthcoming visit to India.

When asked -- by reporters on a recent trip aboard Air Force One -- if he will be breaking a decades long tradition of foreign dignitaries visiting India paying respect to the Father of India, Mr Bush, as is his wont, was caught off guard and mumbled something about how the Gospel of Jesus Christ views cremation as a pagan practice.

Astonishingly, the Indian press and the liberal elite have thus far given a free pass to this blatant insult to the memory of the Mahatma and to all Indians.

Indeed, none of the alacrity shown in demanding US Ambassador David Mulford's head -- for his ostensibly insensitive comments on India's Iran policy -- has been on display in the case of Mr Bush.

Before some of those mentioned above lather themselves into a frisson of fury over the latest slight from the US hegemon, they should stop and substitute Abdullah bin Abdulaziz al-Saud, ruler of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia for George W Bush, 43rd President of the United States.

The absolutist Saudi monarch not only broke a hallowed tradition of paying homage at Raj Ghat observed by every foreign leader but offered an outrageously preposterous reason for doing so.

Saudi king's gift to a Kerala family
The king is reported to have indicated that a visit to the Mahatma's memorial would violate the principles of his faith. By inference, India's current head of State President A P J Abdul Kalam should be guilty of sacrilege for his many visits to the Samadhi.

The government may have had its (mistaken) reasons for fawning over the Saudi ruler but the near complete lack of commentary particularly in the normally strident Leftist papers such as The Hindu boggles the mind.

Should President Bush or Prime Minister Blair or even the Pope have dared to commit such an egregious folly, headlines would have blared in those Leftist organs about India's sovereignty and ancient history being trampled upon by ugly colonialists who still seek to subjugate India economically and culturally, if not militarily.

Instead, what ensued were a few tame reports that acknowledged the radically changed protocol. Of course, the king's arrival in India saw a continuance of the cravenness that resulted in the timid acceptance of the insult. Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh chose to break protocol and greet the Saudi king at the airport.

Any measured analysis of the first visit of a Saudi king to India in 51 years would note that the attention from the other side was not accidental.

Vijay Dandapani: Kashmir and Iraq: What's common?
While the Saudis have the world's largest reserves of oil, they need new markets just as much as any other oil rich country and quite evidently foresee a resurgent India as a future economic player and potential partner.

An overarching dependence on the US has come to bite the Saudis since September 11, 2001, with negative sentiment amongst the US population and even some bureaucrats riding at an all time high.

Indeed, President Bush's latest State of the Union speech calling for alternative energy sources only underscored the need for them to look to other markets and alliances.

Arguably, there is no country better than India, with its large Muslim population together with a rapidly growing economy that offers the most potential.

Instead of recognising the not inconsiderable advantages India possesses, the government and the media elite is unfortunately intent on aligning the country with an opaque and hitherto unreliable feudal family that rules a nation by decree.

Indeed, the historical record of the Al-Sauds should cause any impartial observer to cringe at their treatment of minorities and foreigners both within and outside their country.

Vijay Dandapani: Wanted: Some Hindu spine
While it may be a while before the family hold on that country's oil patrimony is tested, it is utterly irresponsible to hitch India's energy and economic future to a country that no bookie in his or her right mind will offer odds on its enduring in its current form.

The last point also begs the question why the Oil and Natural Gas Commission's current tear to acquire assets -- almost exclusively from private Western companies accountable to shareholders -- in the name of 'energy independence' in countries tottering on the edge and led by brutal dictatorships is not viewed as tilting at windmills.

But then again, it is hard to wean away politicians and bureaucrats from a decades long regimen that calls for a government solution to almost any economic issue.

In the end, the gratuitous subservience to the Saudis results in a genuine loss of national pride. What is worse, however, is the unbridled spending of taxpayer monies in the name of energy security without involving the private sector. That is likely to have a far greater negative impact that will be felt for generations to come.

Kalyani said...

"....in terms of prosperity, i have never quite understood how they became so rich...."
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It was all due to the Blessings of The Great Sage Vidhyaranyar (who was Granted This Wish by Goddess LaksmiDevi)who founded this Empire.

Kanchi Paramacharya has discussed it in detail in His *Deivathhin Kural*.Has also emphasised the importance of rebuilding the LakshmiNrusimhaswami Temple there, that has been pillaged by the antivedic marauders.

As Shiva tirelessly repeats in the comments section ,we cannot afford to rest on our laurels.We need to defend ourselves very tenaciously,uncompromisingly and ruthlessly.

Incidentally,the west's definition of "secularism" is as befuddling as their mindset! Nothing worthwhile ever can be achieved in any facet of life by fencing out/ghettoising God/Spirituality .

I have never ever heard genuine articulations or even unarticulated muted feelings of guilt or contrition from both the barbarians( white christians and muslims).A swallow here or there does not make a summer.

And the white man is overdesperately in a hurry to project himself as the restorer of "lost"(?? or temporarily eclipsed?)Hindu Glory.

Kalyani said...

"....in terms of prosperity, i have never quite understood how they became so rich...."
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It was all due to the Blessings of The Great Sage Vidhyaranyar (who was Granted This Wish by Goddess LaksmiDevi)who founded this Empire.

Kanchi Paramacharya has discussed it in detail in His *Deivathhin Kural*.Has also emphasised the importance of rebuilding the LakshmiNrusimhaswami Temple there, that has been pillaged by the antivedic marauders.

As Shiva tirelessly repeats in the comments section ,we cannot afford to rest on our laurels.We need to defend ourselves very tenaciously,uncompromisingly and ruthlessly.

Incidentally,the west's definition of "secularism" is as befuddling as their mindset! Nothing worthwhile ever can be achieved in any facet of life by fencing out/ghettoising God/Spirituality .

I have never ever heard genuine articulations or even unarticulated muted feelings of guilt or contrition from both the barbarians( white christians and muslims).A swallow here or there does not make a summer.

And the white man is overdesperately in a hurry to project himself as the restorer of "lost"(?? or temporarily eclipsed?)Hindu Glory.

DarkStorm said...

Haah.. so much for the leftists secular Gandhi ideals... LOL..

Say something Madmoron singh, puppet PM. I think "yeh sardar Sikh logon ka naam mitti mein mila dega. " People known to be patriots of the highest order are murdered by "secular , leftists" and they find a spineless puppet who cannot even make himself heard, to become PM, to atone for their sins. LOL..

By the way, even I have never set foot on the Gandhi Samadhi, though I have been to Delhi twice. And neither will I ever set foot on the land dedicated to the traitor , Gandhi.

Sacrilege ?? !! DarkStorm has lost it... do I hear something..

Well, has anyone read the text of the banned Marathi play "Mee Nathuram Godse Boltoy". I have read it. Please do read it, you can search for it on the net.

I suppose, Nathuram's confession in court has not been made public till today. Why?? What bout freedom of speech and expression, which the secularists keep harping on.

I once read an interview of Nathuram Godse's brother. Atleast these people have the guts to tell the truth. They admit they were inspired by Gandhi in their youth, but were later disillusioned by his constant hurting of the Hindus. And he isnt remorseful of what he did. (I support him ).

My only grouse with Godse -- they were too late.

Kalyani said...

"And neither will I ever set foot on the land dedicated to the traitor , Gandhi"
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Absolutely!That makes two of us.
By the way,I have read Nathuram Godse's deposition in Varsha Bhosle's column.Brilliant!A true patriot.I believe he had far and many more admirers than gandhi.Hence even the place where Godse's body was buried was kept a secret lest it should be made into a sacred sthalam!

Why so much of breast beating by some people because xyz refuse to visit his place? At least our adversaries live by the convictions they harbour and nurture.Do we have a spine at all other than tear glands ready to go boooohoooooooo??

Pity,we are still salivating for certain sops and crumbs from our very diehard oppressors.

DarkStorm said...

Was it posted by Varsha Bhosle. As far as i have heard, Nathuram godse's statements in court were never made public for fear of "Hindu fundamentalists" starting "communal violence" LOL.. haha..
Ok i will search for it.

Kalyani said...

"... Read the following excerpts, from the deposition of a man who was hanged in the early hours of a cold November morning of 1948 in Ambala prison. Clutching a map of undivided India in one hand and the saffron flag in another, he walked to the gallows chanting an invocation to his motherland. A few hours later, his body was cremated outside the prison walls and, immediately afterwards, the whole area was ploughed and planted with grass so that no one could identify the spot and build a shrine:


On January 13, 1948, I learnt that Gandhiji had decided to go on fast unto death. The reason given was that he wanted an assurance of Hindu-Muslim Unity... But I and many others could easily see that the real motive... [was] to compel the Dominion Government to pay the sum of Rs 55 crores to Pakistan, the payment of which was emphatically refused by the Government.... But this decision of the people's Government was reversed to suit the tune of Gandhiji's fast. It was evident to my mind that the force of public opinion was nothing but a trifle when compared with the leanings of Gandhiji favourable to Pakistan.

...In 1946 or thereabout, Muslim atrocities perpetrated on Hindus under the Government patronage of Surhawardy in Noakhali made our blood boil. Our shame and indignation knew no bounds when we saw that Gandhiji had come forward to shield that very Surhawardy and began to style him as 'Shaheed Saheb' – a martyr – even in his prayer meetings...

...Gandhiji's influence in the Congress first increased and then became supreme. His activities for public awakening were phenomenal in their intensity and were reinforced by the slogans of truth and non-violence which he ostentatiously paraded before the country... I could never conceive that an armed resistance to the aggressor is unjust... Ram killed Ravan in a tumultuous fight... Krishna killed Kansa to end his wickedness... In condemning Shivaji, Rana Pratap and Guru Govind as 'misguided patriots,' Gandhiji has merely exposed his self-conceit... Gandhiji was, paradoxically, a violent pacifist who brought untold calamities on the country in the name of truth and nonviolence, while Rana Pratap, Shivaji and the Guru will remain enshrined in the hearts of their countrymen forever...

...By 1919, Gandhiji had become desperate in his endeavours to get the Muslims to trust him and went from one absurd promise to another... He backed the Khilafat movement in this country and was able to enlist the full support of the National Congress in that policy... very soon the Moplah Rebellion showed that the Muslims had not the slightest idea of national unity... There followed a huge slaughter of Hindus... The British Government, entirely unmoved by the rebellion, suppressed it in a few months and left to Gandhiji the joy of his Hindu-Muslim Unity... British Imperialism emerged stronger, the Muslims became more fanatical, and the consequences were visited on the Hindus...

The accumulating provocation of 32 years, culminating in his last pro-Muslim fast, at last goaded me to the conclusion that the existence of Gandhiji should be brought to an end immediately... he developed a subjective mentality under which he alone was the final judge of what was right or wrong... Either Congress had to surrender its will to him and play second fiddle to all his eccentricity, whimsicality... or it had to carry on without him... He was the master brain guiding the civil disobedience movement... The movement may succeed or fail; it may bring untold disasters and political reverses, but that could make no difference to the Mahatma's infallibility... These childish inanities and obstinacies, coupled with a most severe austerity of life, ceaseless work and lofty character, made Gandhiji formidable and irresistible... In a position of such absolute irresponsibility, Gandhiji was guilty of blunder after blunder...

...The Mahatma even supported the separation of Sindh from the Bombay Presidency and threw the Hindus of Sindh to the communal wolves. Numerous riots took place in Karachi, Sukkur, Shikarpur and other places in which the Hindus were the only sufferers...

...From August 1946 onwards, the private armies of the Muslim League began a massacre of the Hindus... Hindu blood began to flow from Bengal to Karachi with mild reactions in the Deccan... The Interim government formed in September was sabotaged by its Muslim League members, but the more they became disloyal and treasonable to the government of which they were a part, the greater was Gandhi's infatuation for them...

...The Congress, which had boasted of its nationalism and socialism, secretly accepted Pakistan and abjectly surrendered to Jinnah. India was vivisected and one-third of the Indian territory became foreign land to us... This is what Gandhiji had achieved after 30 years of undisputed dictatorship, and this is what Congress party calls 'freedom'...

...One of the conditions imposed by Gandhiji for his breaking of the fast unto death related to the mosques in Delhi occupied by Hindu refugees. But when Hindus in Pakistan were subjected to violent attacks he did not so much as utter a single word to protest and censure the Pakistan government...

Gandhi is being referred to as the Father of the Nation. But if that is so, he had failed his paternal duty inasmuch as he has acted very treacherously to the nation by his consenting to the partitioning of it... The people of this country were eager and vehement in their opposition to Pakistan. But Gandhiji played false with the people...

...I shall be totally ruined, and the only thing I could expect from the people would be nothing but hatred... if I were to kill Gandhiji. But at the same time, I felt that Indian politics in the absence of Gandhiji would surely be proved practical, able to retaliate, and be powerful with armed forces. No doubt, my own future would be totally ruined, but the nation would be saved from the inroads of Pakistan...

...I do say that my shots were fired at the person whose policy and action had brought rack and ruin and destruction to millions of Hindus... There was no legal machinery by which such an offender could be brought to book, and for this reason I fired those fatal shots...

...I do not desire any mercy to be shown to me... I did fire shots at Gandhiji in open daylight. I did not make any attempt to run away; in fact I never entertained any idea of running away. I did not try to shoot myself... for, it was my ardent desire to give vent to my thoughts in an open Court. My confidence about the moral side of my action has not been shaken even by the criticism levelled of against it on all sides. I have no doubt, honest writers of history will weigh my act and find the true value thereof some day in future".

Kalyani said...

http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/may/12varsha.htm

"My Country,Period" by Varsha Bhosle.

Btw, all her articles are worth archiving.I really miss her!!

Kalyani said...

A few more instances of gandhi's forked tongue....

He had made 14 visits on a single day to jinnah, grovelling before him with an offer to rule India,yes,to rule over us the Hindus...!

jinnah had barked back at him."....to hell with your inner voice...." Talk of tender mercies of our Maker!!

All his talk of ahimsa was abracadabra.Kanchi Paramacharya has written in *Deivathhin Kural* that gandhi had poisoned and killed a calf in his Sabarmathi Ashramam .Of course he had his ever present "inner voice"(sic) to justify whatever he did!

Our Paramacharya also touches upon a vital truth.That it is only a Kshathriya (the root word being *kshaathram*)who has the right samskara(m)s in nation defending and building,assisted of course by Spiritually potent Gurus.

gandhi was just a 'baniya',hence was pathetically bartering away our Motherland!Remember,once someone called Ashok Kavi(can't recall his full name)had mentioned the "baniya mentality" of gandhi which was followed by violent reactions of "smite,smite,fie,fie...." by gandhighost worshippers?

Ragz said...

DarkStorm and Kalyani, my only grouse with Godse is same as yours, that he was too late. What a patriot he was. Arvind Lavakare has written one article on Godse too.

http://us.rediff.com/news/2001/jan/30arvind.htm


I had tears in my eyes when I read this.

ananth said...

Justice Khosla, one of the three judges hearing the appeal, wrote after his retirement: 'There was a deep silence when he ceased speaking. Many women were in tears and men coughing and searching for their handkerchiefs... I have no doubt that had the audience of the day been constituted into a jury and entrusted with the task of deciding Godse's appeal, they would have brought in a verdict of 'not guilty' by an overwhelming majority.'

indusAquarius said...

BTW, whatever happened to Varsha? Don't see anything from her anymore.

Kalyani said...

IndusAquarius ,

Based on what I read ,Varsha was held out threats by marxist goons,hence she stopped writing.ditto with rediff,as it also is constituted of leftist hypocrites.

habc said...

Kyaaa Tum Log Bhi - go to the source

www.nathuramgodse.com

His statement is - May it please your honor. link in the left nav bar

habc said...

about the baniya comment - Britain is a nation of shopkeepers. Japan is a "Baniya" nation - grow up guys - Age of Capitalism and all that

Kalyani said...

Habc,
Thanks for the site.

Incidenatally,the other day,I read,gandhi did not say "hey,Ram" lol....Reminds me of the last scene in the movie 'Buddy-Buddy'(Jack L & Walter M).

The baniya epithet was resurrected to give a long pending burial to 'mahathma'(SIC)certificate.

DarkStorm said...

yaar habc, thanx, us site ka mujhe pata nahi tha. but varsha aur arvind lavakare ke writeups sahi hain.

i was thinking i would be abused for abusing Gandhi (which he rightly deserves). Good to know there are many more people who think like me.

Another grouse with Godse brothers - Why did not they take nehru with gandhi. ROFL.. haha.. Anyway, i m not cribbing, eliminating gandhi was good enough.

Yes, Ashok kavi was absolutely right in abusing gandhi. no offence meant against baniyas, but that abuse was meant in the sense that he traded Hindu lives for Muslim wellbeing. (whether their well being increased or not is another matter)

Well, Godse brothers were much more patriotic, IMHO, than gandhi. we are still facing the effects of gandhis karmas today. we still see us Hindus capitulating to absurd jehadi demands.

The good thing about the BJP. Well, agree that BJP was corrupt and not really that effective as we wished, they really gave spine to Hindus. for once, i saw less of that allpervasive leftist depressing air and that demoralizing anti-Hindu crap. but they did good work in those 5 years, now that anti-Hindu crap wont have any effect on any of us.

sadly they lost their morals when vajpayee went hugging mullah after mullah to gain votes.

Kalyani said...

Another hard hitting one from Arvind Lavakare to madmoron :-

"http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/06al1.htm

In the national interest, Dr Singh?"

But alas , endowed with impenetrable hides and hidebound by sekoolarism......sigh...