Monday, February 06, 2006

me on rediff on the western depiction of hinduism

feb 6th

i wrote a series of articles based on the california textbook issue, here are the first and second of them:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/01rajeev.htm

http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/feb/03rajeev.htm

others to appear.

i had referred to the mohammedan threat of violence being very helpful in modulating white-guy behavior. what i said regarding the cartoons -- these columns were written before the current rage about them -- seems to have been edited out (not that it was particularly clever, i just said that this is another factor in why mohammedanism does not get disrespected in the west).


33 comments:

virat0 said...

I think the second one was better than the fist one. It is bad they they edited, but on the other hand the other hand 'western' is a better construct, than a reference to color, when not warranted.
I think there should be some reference to why Aryan Invasion is that important for colonialism constructs in India, in 18th century, one of the prominent books on India in europe was on such race constructs. It is deeply ingrained.

virat0 said...

If they accept internally that India wouldn't be understood in terms of race, or application of Marx to race ideas, then a lot of depts would be in danger. BTW are you aware of the skull measurements that went in India to determine the intelligence of the prople ? On of the prominent sociologists is Ghuriye, whose book is accepted for over 7 decades. Read the change of tone of description of that book, when the subject of skull measurement comes up. He denies the conclusions of these measurements, but thats a different issue, all have been lost when one deeply go into that. I take Rama Nam inumerable times to avoid bad effects of those books before reading them.

siva said...

Hi Rajeev,

Can you post the unedited version here or is there some kind of copy right issue involved?

DarkStorm said...

>>>>>
On of the prominent sociologists is Ghuriye, whose book is accepted for over 7 decades. Read the change of tone of description of that book, when the subject of skull measurement comes up. He denies the conclusions of these measurements, but thats a different issue, all have been lost when one deeply go into that.
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Virat0, what is it about , i dint fully get that. can you please post more on this. :-)

KapiDhwaja said...

off topic:
Atleast the Indian scientists are speaking up their mind abt the Nuke Deal.

US shifting goalpost on n-deal: Atomic Energy chief

Hope ManMoron hears them.

bly243001 said...

Slavish,habitual hindu-baiter Fareed Zakaria does it again. He never misses an opportunity to degrade hindu nationalists, even using V.S. Naipaul to degrade hindus (see one of his ealier columns)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11182278/site/newsweek/

Freak On A Leash said...

All these things that you accuse the west ,christians and muslims of boils down to one single reason .Hinduism did not respect Humanity.If all the aspects of society were taken well care of , the invaders would have found it difficult to conquer india..Hinduism would have demanded its respect amongst world religons like Buddhism.The respect Hinduism gets today that it is a tolerant religon is because of the majority of indians who have seen that there's more to life than religon and are not bigoted.Hinduism as a religon could not even tolerate people from other castes i wonder how it could tolerate other religons.. . More than the damage done by west and muslims in india its the damage done by Hindus to hindus that is most unrectifiable.I know you guys are tooo bigoted to accept reality but theres no escpe from it. If Hinduism is not respected its because of what u did to fellow hindus and not because of what u didnt do to the other communities....Sounds really funny blaming every tom ,dick and mohammed and not willing to accept your mistake...and rectify it...

lazysusan said...
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lazysusan said...

"Hinduism did not respect Humanity."

Exactly. So it went like Mohmd Ghazni came to know that Hindus had the caste system and decided to put an end to it by invading & killing the bigoted Hindus & their temples...what a noble man ! Same with the British. We were the vilest creatures and lets thank God for the Mughals & British who showed us humanity by killing & humiliating our ancestors.

"Sounds really funny blaming every tom ,dick and mohammed and not willing to accept your mistake...and rectify it..."

So reservations & intercaste marriages & Dalit presidents (Narayan) & Sikh PM & Muslim Presidents are not rectifications ? The problem is people like you cannot assess any situation on their own...you have to have an example or a vote of confidence from the Westerners or Whites, only then anything (esp. Hindu or Indian) is worth noticing for you.

Sorry to say but the genetic memory of 1000 years of foreign Hindu-degrading rule has damaged your brain.

How about rectifying that first ?

siva said...
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siva said...

This moron Freak On A Leash is back after a while,

So the native Americans, Aztecs, Mayans and other native south Americans did not treat each other well so that to teach them a lesson white christist terrorists slaughtered them in millions.

Bravo Einstein, for your new discovery.

siva said...
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siva said...

Freak On A Leash

Check out how buddhists are getting screwed by christists in south Korea before you blabber again.

KapiDhwaja said...

Good one lazysusan & siva. Keep it up.

KapiDhwaja said...

Good article tearing apart the dumb Sardar at the top.
link

KapiDhwaja said...

Good article denouncing the Nuke Deal from The Hindu, although the author Siddharth Varadarajan is a leftist psuedo-sec who went to London School of Economics which is a commie bastion. Who knows maybe he has reformed..
or maybe he is acting in China's interest to kill the deal.
link

KapiDhwaja said...

Nuke Scientists voice concern

KapiDhwaja said...

& Former Ambassadors voice concern..

virat0 said...

DarkStorm,
Those are some stuff that is used by the state to test the hindus, the hindus are required to take Rama nam with full devotion, those stuff says, here is the reason, why you idiots, must worship the brits and their sepoys. As long as we take Rama nam, there shouldn't be no issue.

Freak , hinduism does respect humanity. But I am sure you would agree that the humanity that is defined by greed of colonialism, greed of controll through maoism is not being rexpected. Hindus have been most harsh on it, collectively, all of them have constributed to it. You have nothing more than the depiction of caste from christian perspective to show for it. What of the castes, even the religious ones didn't respect their own humanity, you could argue, some of them went into the forrest instead of dealing with young womans or pleasures of good curry in human like manner.

virat0 said...

there shouldn't be no issue.
Correction: There shouldn't be any issue.

habc said...

Freaky Prasad Yadav,

Yo dumPunk - All the Buddhists in Central Asia / Afghanistan were exterminated by the Muslims - I guess those Buddhists were not respecting humanity either right. - man I don't know why I get sucked into arguments with laloos like you - the Xtians I knew in India were not such total morons - they were also quite good at communicating - are you some tribal from some remote forest that some "father" brought you out and looks after you (like Cardinal Bernard Law - get it?) and feeds you some primitive silliness from the 15th century - even in Britain the British do not think like you about Hindus (and Yes I WOULD know - unlike you).

Freak On A Leash said...

Habc...
Man ure hilarious n im rollin on the floor n laffin my ass out...."freak freaky prasad yadav..ha ha...soo funny ..Guess what theyre audtitoning for madtv theyre gonna take u in eyes closed...

Listen before u get into conclusions..Colonialsm was driven by plain human greed(u gotta be a dodo not to understand that).Christianity had nothing to do with it.What the colonists did(murder,stealing, opressing etc..etc..)are totally against christianity.The Colonists were not christians in any aspect. The were just greedy human beings.Is that hard to comprehend. Shiva calls them "white,christist terrorists" .U can add more to it shiva..like "flat assed ,red necked ,church goers," doesnt make a difference genius..theyre all terrorists.

It is not the same in case of Islam where hatred is a way of life.Their attrocities were motivated by religon...In this case there are 2 things that motivate killings..human greed plus their religon.

In Hinduism its the religon that promoted castism which was capitalised by the people who were greedy .Obviously the ppl who benifitted from it were the gaurdians of it.So it not abt religon.What humans do is a result of their human qualities and not religon

Every religon has its share of good and bad ppl.How blind dumb can u guys be not to see the bad side of your religon and accuse every other religon. Habc and siva just dont have it in their head to analyze facts on equal grounds.
There is no point cribbing that the Christians ruined india and have a hatred for christians of the present generation.

I agree that Hinduism should be saved from being engulfed by outside influence but beating the christian or muslim next to u is not the solution. Giving Hinduism credibility and potraying the good and humane aspects of it makes more sense. Showing Contempt and hate further gives it a bad image.

Virat
I dont understand why u say "CAsteism from a christians perspective"..i think casteism is casteism from any perspective...I see it from the factual perspective which is prelavent even today in Bihar rajasthan etcc.Is ther any other perspective to it.even if there is..why wasnt everyone treated equally?
with all respects..

siva said...

Yo moron freak, obviously you haven't read the "holy" bible yet. Mussalmans did not invent their barbarism; they just plagiarized it from your bible. Go and read any one of the unedited version of your book before your sermonize again.

No body here claimed that Hinduism is fool proof. It is just better compared to any of the other crazy desert cults. If caste is practiced only by Hindus, then why the hell Nadar Christians who converted some 150 years ago still marry only among them selves.

If its white mans greed that made him go crazy, then where were all the Christian ministers, why didn’t they stop them. It is infact with their approval and sanctity all the barbarism were committed by the white man. It was Christian ministers who put women at stake and burned them alive as witches in Mass, US. It is Christianity that justified slavery and slaying of Jews. It is no misinterpretation you ignorant moron… it is explicitly stated and explained in the bible…. Go and check it out your self.

On one hand you are saying that there is some fault in all religion and all religion are same, on the other hand you support Christianity. All you say is that any atrocity committed in the past by Christians has nothing to do with their religion, but immediately you accuse Hinduism for any offence committed by any Hindu as if it is dictated to him by some Hindu holy book. It just shows how hypocritical you are. If Christianity is so divine, then why are equating it with other religion and trying to hide behind eastern religions whenever somebody cites the barbarism of Christianity.

I have said it before and I am saying it again, not all religion are same…. Some are better. Hinduism is better, so is all other Indic religions. Islam and Christianity are two sides of the same coin, wily, dishonest and barbaric in nature.

You dick head dishonest moron, we are not accusing every other religion, again hiding behind other religions for defending yours. We are only accusing two barbaric desert cults masquerading as religion, Islam and Christianity and their half sibling, useful idiot commies.

FYI, its not just Islam and Christianity that are minority religions in India. There are many other small religions, Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrians, Sikhs, Jews and other sundry non denominational religious people. None of these people complain about Hindu oppression.

If you are not able to stand up and defend your religion, instead of hiding behind other religions, then it just shows how disingenuous your defense is. And with this kind of defense you are in no position to lecture Hindus how they should defend their religion, from predators like you. That is the last thing Hindus need.

siva said...

I forgot to add the holy crusades and inqusition carried out by Christian Ministers, todays' "saints".
Learn about those and defend them you dishonest lying ignorant moron freak, before you can point fingers at Hindus and Hinduism.

SunnyWarrior said...

If its white mans greed that made him go crazy, then where were all the Christian ministers, why didn’t they stop them. It is infact with their approval and sanctity all the barbarism were committed by the white man. It was Christian ministers who put women at stake and burned them alive as witches in Mass, US

Siva, you really should read some more before spouting off. Slavery was abolished due to the efforts of an evangelical Christian minister William Wilberforce. Until he stepped in and saw the condition of the slaves, there were no efforts by an elected democratic government to put an end to slavery. (So according to you then democracy has failed slavery and should be abolished.)

First the witch hunt in Salem was mostly factional politics. There were very few Puritan Christian ministers involved in the witch hunt itself. The number of witches killed were 19 including a Christian minister. Second the witches were hanged (except one), not burned at the stake in Salem.

virat0 said...

I see it from the factual perspective which is prelavent even today in Bihar rajasthan etcc.Is ther any other perspective to it.even if there is..why wasnt everyone treated equally?

Good that you want to see from a factual perspective, but if you are sincere here, then you must have some reaserach how the facts are arrived at, the issues, as prescribed in various schools. I am doubtful that you have done some review on these.

People didn't fight like they do in Bihar, for one wouldn't exist a century if one does like that. The generalization of Bihar has assumptions built into it, and it is a lengthy subject. So, How could yours be the factual then ? .

If not, then the avenue for other alternatives, or reexamination of the absolutely insensitive and vicious stuff ( some of which I don't post here even in reply to darkstorm's query- posted above in this thread , because it screws up my day ) are possibilities. They should be explored before determining the factual nature of the stuff.

virat0 said...

SunnyWarrior :
Siva, you really should read some more before spouting off.
One is not sure whether Siva has read less, or yourself. More incidents are existing, one of which forced me to take a notice of it because of its sheer magnitude.

Do you happen to go to simillar extents to defend hinduism ?

habc said...

Yo Freak - good to see you have a sense of humor.

Now about your post - you know I was feeling guilty about calling you a "call centre employee" but Lo and behold you type and prove me right. no guilt anymore!

I spent 5 years after getting out of India voraciously reading up on history / religion / culture etc. (and talking to lots of Westerners) before I could "decompress" and get debrainwashed from the Kaangress/missionary/secular curriculum that stiflingly surrounds everyone in India.

You need to read up on Spanish history - the Inca emperor was garrotted for refusing to convert to Christianity - pretty much wherever the Spanish/Portuguese went they did the same things that Mullahs have been doing for 1300 years. Yes Yes I agree British were far more sophisticated because they were Protestants and not Catholics.

habc said...

Freak,

Here is an article by an Indian Christian living in America - do read it carefully


Proselytization In India: An Indian Christian's Perspective
http://www.sulekha.com/blogs/blogdisplay.aspx?contributor=C.%20Alex%20Alexander

bodhi dharma said...

FYI, its not just Islam and Christianity that are minority religions in India. There are many other small religions, Buddhism, Jainism, Zoroastrians, Sikhs, Jews and other sundry non denominational religious people. None of these people complain about Hindu oppression.

Genuine Indian minorities never complain and are tolerant and secured. Insecure cowards want to make noise, (everytime they themselves 'sponsor' conversion terrosism) to get more foreign funds. Where does this money go? Basically is their inherent complexes about the Hindu spirituality that unnerves them. Hinduism has contributed a lot to humanity. But what about the death-cults? - Inquisition, blood-shed, conversion terrorism thru govt. funded schools,hospitals etc, macaulay (fake) education, large-scale de-forestation, temple loot and plunder, Plagiarize hindu art forms like Katha-kali, Mohini-attam, abusing non-believers thru their media, align with terrorists and protest in front of Indian embasies. Has anyone investigated their foreign funds , how it's getting untilized for anti-social activities? Also Do you know who - invited the colinizers to India?

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siva said...

Sunny – the chronic liar,

Thank you for your advice that I should read more. Reading more is a not a bad idea, even if it comes from a chronic liar and misinformer like you.

What the hell are you talking about. You reference just makes my life easy. This guy William Wilberforce died in 1833 and slavery officially existed in the US till the late 1800’s, segregation till 1960s and apartheid in S Africa till 1990s. How could some body accomplish some thing when they are dead, is it the Holy Ghost thing you fart when getting banged by your ministers in the ass every Sunday in churches that did the trick?
It is not democracy that failed to abolish slavery, it is who practiced it. In this case it is white Christians and their ministers and popes.

Just because one Christian minister was burnt doesn’t mean other Christian minister were not involved. Catholic minister would and still say that other Christian denominational ministers would go to hell. Protestants and Catholics slaughtered each other for centuries. Here one minister got screwed by another minister, is it news here. May be it is for dick heads like. How did you come up with the number 19? Is it like 72 houris that the mussalmans are promised in heaven. This site http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/burning.htm proves that women were burned alive not just in Mass, US but through out the Christian world. That number 19, I guess some one like you might have pulled it out of their ass after banged by his minister. It is in fact around nine million, go to this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch-hunt#The_Burning_Times.

Women were not burned but hanged, you chronic liar cannot stop lying. There are numerous sites that depict how women were burnt alive, after extensively tortured, at stake. I am giving just one such web sites here http://witches.monstrous.com/witch_hunt.htm. If you care go and search for yourself and also take your misinformation and shove it up your ass after the gang bang session in your church is over.