feb 1st
interesting how the scandinavians are caving in to arab anger which led to arab nations boycotting danish goods. money talks, petrodollars talk very loudly.
regardless of whether or not it was appropriate to publish these cartoons, the key point worth noting is that economic power can be used to push political or religious ideas. this is the point that hindus should use. if someone abuses hindus, well then the institutions attached to them may lose hindu customers, eg. boycott certain colleges and tell them you are not giving them money because of their anti-hindu views. they will quickly get the message.
buyer power ki jai! indians need to understand this loud and clear.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1566270
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Unrelated:
Related to brown peril:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/02/opinion/edtripathi.php
BGM,
No one's asking Muslims to -"take it easy". No point in even going that way b'cos they never "take it easy".
Point here is the duplicity of the so called "intellectuals" who do not mind Sita being shown nude and attack the so called "Hindu fundamentalists" for protesting, but remain silent when Muslims protest.
This forum has routinely exposed the double standards of "soft-liberal-progressive" lot who carry their liberalism on their sleeves all the time. Not sure if you are new to this blog. If yes, make an effort to get the context right. If you can't , just scoot and save your bleeding heart for another day - when a "peace loving" muslim kills another of the Danish/French/British journalist for the cariacature.
hi rajeev,
i dont know if you stopped responding to comments bcos of the low quality. i agree that the comments have dropped from being informative to trolls/flames. i request you once again to provide some references for
1. india's and britain's gdp in 1750 and 1850 reversed.
2. britian looted 10 trillion from india. u also used this in your latest column on rediff.
BGM,
Some others here might give you the benefit of doubt - but I recognize you as a psec jerk.
The thing about you psecs is that you are basically half literate people who they they are very smart and "maadern".
Let me tell you the differences
1. The Muslims complained to the editor of Jyllands Posten newspaper.
2. Newspaper apologized for hurting their "feelings"
3. Muslims countries ambassadors in Danmark demanded that the Danish PM punish the newspaper and its editor.
4. Danish PM said he did not have the power to punish the newspaper and even if he had the power he would not use it because it goes against democratic principles (real ones not psec principulls)
5. Muslims decided to punish ALL OF DANMARK and ALL companies of Danmark and ALL people of Danmark.
Now did I penetrate your primitive brain?
Now Let us see how Hindus react
1. Some company in Italy/Britain puts Hindu Gods on a toilet seat cover.
2. Hindu community sends emails to this company protesting (note - just EMAILS - get it?)
3. Company apologizes
4. Hindu community accepts apology and moves on
5. There is no assault on Italians/British in INDIA.
6. There is no boycott of ALL Italian/British companies in India
7. Hindu Gurus do NOT get involved
8. Indian govt does NOT get involved
9. Most Hindus never cared before/during/after - real FACT get it?
10. Nobody harasses Italian/British in India / Nepal
Did you get that - I wasted so much time writing this - but with you psec farts everything has to be spelled out - A for Apple.....
You "maadern" peeepuls cannot distinguish between people who distribute "tin trishuls" and people who are plotting to smuggle and use Nukes.
Abstraction is required to understand the world, but abstraction does not mean you abandon the power of discrimination and basic common sense
If you keep abstrascting out and generalizing then you end up with something like this
A table is made up of atoms and molecules, so is a person therefore table-person equal-equal.
There is a difference between BARBARIANS and civilized people - hopefully you psecs will actually get it before all the women of your family get stuffed into Burkhas and have FGM performed on them - by the way dont think you will escape scot free. In Turkey when they wen on the rampage they were circumcising people on the street in broad daylight.
Unfortunately for you psecs the west is not filled with fools who think they are smart
Die Tageszeitung, Germany: "In a democratic and secular society, showing decency and respect for other cultures does not mean adopting their religious dogmas."
"Above all else, the Devil cannot stand to be mocked."
C.S. Lewis
The Muslims have sown the wind now they will reap the whirlwind
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19059#c0087
so here it comes. another fatwa:
Don't work with men, Muslim clerics tell Indian women
http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,1701299,00.html
now lets see if this causes a whimper. remember the outrage when shiv sena suggested women dress more carefully.
Hi folks!
Pl see this link for Mohamed's image archive..
It has been documented by muslims themselves in various times and no noise made! now suddenly all this..
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
and btw id the danes apologise, is it enof and done? what happens to all the damages the arabs did like stamping on danish flag(by keeping as foot mat in many stores)??
The intolerance is growing without boundaries..
BGM - If you are not a psec - my apologies
The reason I called you a psec was BECAUSE you said WE Hindus - otherwise I could have called you a mullah.
Here is your statement
"I don't think Hindus have any moral high ground against Muslims in this particular issue. Did we not protest when Hindu deities were printed on footwear and toiletbowl covers? Did we not protest when the UK released Christmas stamps with Hindus praying to JC? How can we say that Muslims need to take it easy"
Tell me which senctence in the above paragraph is not "psecish"
First you farted about "MORAL HIGH" ground - this is standard gandhi-nakhru psec crap. Then you did the Hindu protest equal Muslim protest. This is basically equal equal craptalk. THere is NO equal-equal get it - that was the WHOLE point of what I wrote.
Regarding your second comment
"It's due to rabid fundamentals like you that outsiders think that Hindus are narrow-minded."
The whole point about leftists/psecs is that they are obsessed about what OTHER think/say about them. So you sir are Psychologically a LEFTIST.
A NORMAL person or RIGHTIST will say "I do not care what other people think - I will do what I believe is right based on my Principles/beliefs" - eg. Bush. Eg. the song "Koi Kahe, Kahte Rahe" (apologize if you do not watch Hindi movies) is a "rightist" song.
Also your categorizing me as a "rabid fundamentalist" when I did not talk about the _Hindu Religion_ at all - also gives you away
By the way here are the views of an apostate Muslim
Combat Stupidity with Humiliation
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50529.htm
If you have never been on that site I would recommend that you spend some time on it - the author has an open challenge that if anybody proves even a single word wrong on his web site - he will shut the site down
"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
Sunny Warrior,
The erotic sculptures in the Hindu temples in India are not those of Goddess Sita or Saraswati or Lakshmi. They are just that - erotic sculptures. And they are found in only a handful of Hindu temples specifically built for such purposes - to bring out and glorify the natural erotic aspects of human beings, because ancient Hindus are not crazy like christist to say that sexual activities performed only for pleasure not for procreation is sin. Not all Hindu temples have such sculptures. So Hindu “fundamentalists” are spot on right when they objected to the paintings of that bigot Hussein.
On Goddess Sita painting issue, that bastard Hussein hid behind freedom of expression when Hindus protested his drawings but promptly with drew one of his other works when some mullahs objected to it. I guess this also not double standard of Indian secularists, according to your standards.
This forum may not have convinced you that it has exposed the timid ELM of India not exposing the criminal activity of Mullahs/Missionaries/Marxists by not showing enough evidence, but you also did not do so while defending them.
What is wrong in Hindus voicing their concern for Hindus in Russia, isn’t it a fact that christist/mussalmans do the same at the drop of a hat. Hindus of Britain giving money to construct a temple in Russia is not the same as petro dollars. They are all hard earned, after tax, legit money while petro dollars are not so. By the way why did you conveniently leave out the reason that Bigot arch bishop Nikon cited, when he wrote a letter asking the Moscow mayor to cancel the permit already given to Hare Krishnas, cults according to you, to build a temple? He did not give any building code violation or any other violation of law you misleading, lying bastard. He said that Lord Krishna, one of the prime deities of Hindu trinity is a devil. Mind you he is not any other Christian who can hide behind ignorance when caught with his pants down. He is the Christian number uno of Russia, the arch bishop of orthododox Russian Christianity, true face of Christianity, living upto the true spirit of Christianity commanded in the “holy” bible. So the concerns of British Hindus are perfectly legitimate and justified. It may not be so for you and other Indian sickularist morons.
I have also read some of your other posts about Hindus and Hinduism. They are so stupid and silly it just shows your ignorance of Hinduism. I applaud you for your Kajuraho example but I dare you to come up with 3 more examples of such temples with in half an hour of reading this post. If not stick to those topics you know and stop parroting commie and christist missionary/terrorist definition of Hinduism. Or if you want to quote Hinduism then learn it from an informed practicing Hindu.
BGM ; sunnywarrior,
"Point here is the duplicity of the so called "intellectuals" who do not mind Sita being shown nude and attack the so called "Hindu fundamentalists" for protesting, but remain silent when Muslims protest. Many ancient Indian temples have sculptures that are erotic - take Khajuraho, for example. The "duplicity" then is with the Hindu "fundamentalists" who would rather not acknowledge this aspect of Hindu culture. "
What duplicity ? There is a BIG difference between drawinng *any* woman nude versus Goddess Sita nude. So your argument is not valid.
"Did we not protest when Hindu deities were printed on footwear and toiletbowl covers? Did we not protest when the UK released Christmas stamps with Hindus praying to JC?"
HIndus protested by starting a signature campaign. NOT by getting violent, sending death threats to the cartoonists & putting up morchas or rallies with posters which read 'exterminate those who mock islam' 'get ready for another 9/11' and such like and TORCHING EMBASSIES. A HUGE difference between the 2 protests dont you think ? So ofcourse Hindus have moral high ground. And anyways, this issue is about Muslims & their intolerance & extreme reactions, no matter what other religions do or do not do.
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This is how extremist forces scare their vocal opponents...from rediff..---
Bofors backfires on Jaitley
How can you point fingers at the ruling dynasty and then expect not to pay the price? BJP leader Arun Jaitley, who has led the opposition assault against the Manmohan Singh government following the Quattrocchi affair, has had his security stripped down to the barest minimum.
A couple of days after Jaitley tore down the government's defences, armed guards posted outside his house were abruptly withdrawn. Also gone was the armed escort who accompanied him in his private vehicle wherever he travelled in the capital. Jaitley is now left with a lone unarmed cop outside his house.
The Union home ministry did not extend the courtesy of taking Jaitley into confidence before downsizing his security. Significantly, several BJP leaders, including Ravi Shankar Prasad, Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi and even Shahnawaz Hussain, have been provided round-the-clock armed security.
I was thinking what a grave
mistake the founding fathers of
indepedent India made by not
making Hinduism the state religion.
On the one hand, a separate state
was carved out for those wanting
nothing to do with religion.
Logically, the remaining state
should have been a Hindu state.
But the founding fathers being
typical trusting, benevolent,
large-hearted Hindus, thought
that this would be a peaceful
haven of co-existence, as those
who didnt want us had crossed
to the other side.
Little did they realise that the
warring, conquering tendencies
had not left the country and that
religion binds many non-Hindu
Indians to other countries, and
their loyalty to their religion can
become bigger than loyalty to the
country that sustains them.
The founding fathers made a big
mistake, and this needs to be
rectified.
The constitution needs to be
changed. That can be done only if
we have an OVERWHELMING Hindu
majority in power, who understand
what is at stake.
On the MF Hussein issue - it was
sickening. And outrageous that
such a prominent artist had so
little reverence for Hindu
religion. Just shows he is
really cranky and/or
just doesnt care about Hindus'
feelings. It is not even OK to
paint *any* woman nude, if it's a
real person, without her giving
permission. Painting deities nude
is just out of the question, no
Hindu will find that acceptable.
If he had an iota reverence, he
would not even think of painting
deities from other religions nude.
Sick artist running out of ideas
and creativity to make and sell new
art items.
He should instead have painted
prophet Mohammad nude. After all,
prophet was nude at least when he
was bathing, I suppose ?
(rhetorical Q, not requiring an
answer...).
Correction:
On the one hand, a separate state
was carved out for those wanting
nothing to do with Hindu religion.
Darkstorm,
I didnt read your whole post.
I did see your Sonia comment, and
in fact was expecting that from
you.
It comes back to the same thing -
you never understood my comment
on Sonia.
That was my way of telling Rajeev
to be equal in his moderation,
and be non-acerbic, else, I and
other women might leave your
blog...and if all men behave
like that, we'll just leave them,
bye bye.
He must have understood it. That is
why I took the liberty to write in
that fashion.
Whereas you took it to mean that
I worship Sonia. Heavens!!!
Heavens!!! I dont worship her.
She became citixn after Rajiv Gandhi came to power, and also
never even signed the guest
register at Tirupathi, inspite of
being a non-Hindu. That was rude!
DarkStorm,
You have called my posts as
"often self-contradictory".
Some of the contradictions maybe
due to communication mismatch
between reader/writer,
misinterpretation etc.
Yet, one big and real contradiction
you may have seen is that I seem
to stand for peace, and yet I
seem to be up for war and fights
as well. I talk of Advaita and
"No Two", and yet I am OK with the
idea of drastic measures with the
enemy if needed.
How does one explain this ?
I dont want to get into any deep
philosophical debating, but will
try to give a small example -
cancer invading your body is a
bad thing, isnt it ? you need to
deal with that, and although the
good and bad cells are all part
of the same body, the bad must be
removed for the good to live. And
understanding that the bad cells
are simply acting out of their
gunas or tendencies, one just
removes them peacefully, without
hatred.
If these cells were all talking
people, one would first try to
reason with them and all that. If
they still dont listen, one just
goes ahead with hard measures.
And no, I dont want a discussion on
this - I am simply clarifying some
of the contradictions you may have
seen in my posts.
The carriage return mid-line
is deliberate. This is the way I
like my line-length, usually. I
find it easier to read.
Even if I were to post under some
fake-id (and I never feel the need,
as I am an honest person), it would
be very easy to detect - my writing
has it's own unqiueness, just like
everyone has their own uniqueness.
....
Freak On A Leash
Read the following link and learn how evil conversion is http://conversionagenda.blogspot.com/2000/11/ethics-of-proselytizing.html
Also Christianity was not spread by jesus loves nonsense. it was spread just like islam, through torture, rape, pillaging and murder. Do you think those coming to this blog are morons like you who have not heard about crusades, inqusition and jihad. If you have anything to say new here, other than balbbering how sweet jesus juice is, say it or go else where and post your nonsense. There are lot of morons out there, like loonie Indian commies, who will buy your crap.
SunnyWarrior,
Your link just proves my point that Hindus are not close minded idiots to say sex is bad. It also proves my point that such sculptures are found only in a handful of temples specifically built for such purposes, which ignoramus like you certainly will not know, which is to attain moksha through sex. Recent master of this form of tantric yoga is Baghvan Rajneesh. So these types of temples were built specifically for that purposes. Goddess Sita’s worshipers are not trying to attain mukthi through kama, their path is bakthi and there is a big difference here. By the way which Hindu exactly came to you and said that they are protesting only because Goddess Sita was insulted and they wouldn’t have done this if Lord Hanuman was insulted. One of the protesting parivar member is Bajrang Dal, which was named after Lord Hanuman himself. I guess you didn’t know the meaning other wise you wouldn’t have blabbered the way you did. Do you see now why I asked you to stay away from quoting Hinduism.
The answer to your question, What am I supposed to infer from this is, stay away from misquoting parivar family and Hinduism, learn Hinduism from informed and practicing Hindu or go else where and blabber.
If Hussein is hiding behind freedom of expression when Hindus protested, then why on hell he did not do the same when some crazy Mullahs did the same? Why did he with drew his work when the mullahs protested? I guess he really believed the mullahs threat and scared to death that his head might roll any time if he did not oblige to the mullahs diktats.
What is wrong in "Western Hindu software coolies" trying to make a living by working hard, paying taxes and doing their part to keep the economy growing and creating jobs at the same time? At least they are not trying to ride on somebody else’s back and constantly crying for reservation. By accusing other hard working Indians as coolies, I guess you are one such person. And by the way when did hard work become such a bad thing. Now I see why the Indian commies do not want privatization to happen, that will force them to work for a living.
You have just proved one more time that you are a dishonest, lying dick head. When did I say that minority religions in India are supposed to live within the "will of the majority"? When dalits went to the US congress no body cared. Every body knew it was a stunt orchestrated by the Christian missionary/terrorists. So don’t give me this crap that there was a huge uproar when that happened.
Archbishop Nikon is not defending his cultural heritage; he is just another bigot following the “holy” bible. Just because a city is the birth place of nationalism does not automatically translate into a holy city. And by the way precisely what nationalism are you talking about here? Is it the birth place of czar dynasty or the birth place of Bolsheviks or communist revolution or the recent army coup that toppled Gorbachev? What are you blabbering, you moron? Among this events, what holy activity this bigot Nikon is trying to preserve?
The difference between Hindus of Russia and Islamic barbarians of India is a huge thing that morons like you will never be able to see. Russian Hindus did not try to demolish a huge church and build a temple on its ruins, but precisely that’s what the Islamic barbarians did through out India. Kasi, Ayodhya, Madhura and Somnath were the most glaring examples of the thousands and thousands of Hindu temples being destroyed by this barbaric cult masquerading as religion. Hindus are only trying to get back their original temples, they are not trying to conquer others place of worship like Islamic/Christist barbarians. This is the BIG DIFFERENCE you dick head.
On your last post, you just backed up my point that there are illiterate morons like you who don’t know about crusades, inquisition and jihad. Let me also add to the list of noble, holy activities of Christians in the past, you moron might have never heard of - ethnic cleansing of native north Americans, Aztecs, Mayans and other native south Americans. Hunting down of Aborigines of Australia, I mean literal hunting down of Aborigines. White Christians literally went in horses with their guns for hunting of Aborigines as if they were animals. Slavery and mass murder of native black Africans. Jewish holocaust by Christian Germans (current pope is an official Nazi catholic ministerial student under Hitler), ethnic cleansing of north Africans by French and Belgian white Christians, most famously in Algeria and last but not least, an estimated 30 million Hindus killed by white English Christians through their systematic dismantling of Indian agriculture and plundering of crops.
I thank you for conferring me with the title rabid Hindu right-winger. At least I am not a dishonest, illiterate and ill informed moron like you.
Freak Prasad Yadav,
Israel stopped all Christian Proselytizing/conversion activities.
An agreement was signed with 70+ major evangelical/Catholics/Protestants etc. making sure that they will NOT NOW/EVER proselytize/convert on Israeli soil.
NA NA Na NA NA.
Also that Historian I had mentioned last time Martin van Creveld - was Israeli not French get it - 3 million Israelis know more about nation building than 1 billion Indians.
By the way I noticed that you stopped getting verbal diarrhoea - started using paragraphs. good raja beta - now we will cure you of your other diseases.
Following is the link to an Indian Express news about Husain paintings. This is PTI item. In the morning, the headline said something about painting of 'Nude God'. It is a blasphemous headline. Some of these PTI guys specialise in that.
The headline is changed now. Even in the new title, an adjective 'obscene' is used for Bharatmata.
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=62488
Shekhar Gupta may be thinking Bharatmata is obsecene, and he might be getting foreign 'allowances' for such mischeious stand. Isn't it time someone took this up?
IE needs to be take for task for the blasphemy.
Let me go back to that dalit hearing one more time. That “hearing” was a freak show run, participated and attended by Jesus freaks. That committee chairman, one congressman from Pennsylvania was himself a Jesus freak, a Christian lunatic minister turned politician. The “dalit” who led the Indian Jesus freaks was Kanchan Illiajah or whatever, who once wrote a book titled “Why I am not a Hindu”. Just imagine what kind of a freak show these Jesus freaks would have put up.
Let us apply this code coolie analysis in other areas and see how this moron would conclude. According to this moron I guess all the brilliant Indian pharmaceutical scientists and companies like Ranbaxy which brought down the price of AIDS drugs by 10 folds in just two years are drug coolies, brilliant DRDO rocket scientists are flight coolies. All the Hindu management gurus like CK Prahalad and Venkat are what, management coolies. Steel tycoon Lakshmi Mittal is a steel coolie I guess, who also happened to be the third richest coolie in the world.
I guess this moron is a paki jehadi barbarian or Indian commie or a lunatic Jesus freak who cannot stomach the success of India and Hindus.
Sunny moron,
Again you are just proving my point, of the thousands of temples in India there are only a very few ones that has this sculptures, its not that they are bad as such. Of course you bigots and close minded primitive idiots don’t realize that. Again these sculptures are not those of Goddess Sita and there are NOT considered as deities. They are not worshipped. They are not inside the sanctum sanctorum of the temples either. So the Hindus protesting the Goddess Sita being depicted poorly by a bigot artist are right on target.
There is a big difference between erotic sculptures being part of a culture and depicting a Goddess in poor taste. I guess you will never see this point, because this has been pointed out to you so many times, but you are still parroting the same old commie logic.
Baghvan Rajneesh was not deported for any of the reason you fabricated, he was deported because close minded bigots like you did not understand his teachings and on top of that he called the then US president as an idiot. The official reason for his deportation was some visa procedural error, which can be found in any one of the visitors if the host govt. is determined to find one.
You and the arch bishop are both bigots who don’t understand other religion. In Hinduism there are different path to mukthi and Hare Krishnas path is Bakthi. Without even knowing this you jump to conclusion and are judging them as cults. I did read his letter he wrote to the Moscow mayor and In that he did say that Lord Krishna is a devil, there is no need for me to find out about the Russian nationalism, which was beside the point here. If people did not come into contact with bigots like you, then Hinduism’s image will be just fine.
Why should a Hindu deity’s picture be put to a debate by a barbaric Muslim. Let him draw a picture of Mahamad raping the nine year old “wife” of his and put that for debate. Hindus and Sangh parivar wouldn’t care less.
Your first post did not have any inconvenient facts you self serving too smart by half moron. It was full of bull shit and had been thoroughly repudiated.
From your last post I see that you are an “intelligent” person who believe every truth is contained in one single book. But that may not be so for others and Hindus are masters of different paths to God. Its only people like you who always see wrong in other peoples’ culture and way of life. If you don’t find one then you will conveniently fabricate one. You’re thinking that there cannot be oneness with God through tantric yoga just proves my point that you are a one book wonder, idiot of the highest order. You should be one of those confused catholic barbarians who preach that sex is sin, masturbation is sin. The world has moved so far ahead of those primitive thinking, I guess you will never grow out of 2nd century bce.
May be you should also read my post properly before you reply, I never claimed to be a practicing Hindu. I just told you to learn Hinduism from one; I never claimed it was me. And no body here offered you anything so that you can refuse and asked to be left alone. Don’t think so much of yourself.
Sunny Daaaahling
Do read some of my posts too - Hamse Panga Lo Na!
You keep spouting the same equal-equal crap - I clearly proved why the equal equal crap was wrong
In any case you guys fart as much as you want - The west and Russia (your mai-baaps) now know who is worth what dear) - you can shout till you are blue in the face.
Simple fact is that you fundamentally have to be an idiot with a very high opinion of himself to compare people who distribute tin trishuls with people who are trying to steal nukes.
There is no equal - equal get it - Sorry I already know you are never going to get it - At least BGM was an intellectually Honest opponent and I respect him for that - you are beneath contempt.- I piss on Marx and Lenin and Mao.
Sunny, the confused lying bastard,
The link you provided, Kamat’s web site is not one of a Hindu expert. He is just another software programmer, “software coolie” according to your enlightened analysis. Check out who you are quoting before you do so, dick head.
What, you did not make any judgment, go back and read your first post where you asked why Hindus don’t accept the existence of erotic sculptures? What was that, wasn’t that a judgment? Apparently you don’t even know what you are posting, so you are in no position to read anything for me.
Thank you for going back to your “book” and discovering that I am a “software coolie”, but the problem is I am not, Einstein
All along you are making my point, but your skewered brain makes one ass of analysis of the same point. Hindus destroyed the paintings, they did not go and ransack a Mosque just because the bigot is a Muslim. Mussalamans burnt down the embassy, what does an embassy got to do with a newspaper printing something. This shows that you are as dumb as a mussalman or a Jehadi.
Fuck you ass hole. You are a chronic liar. Erotic sculptures are NOT found in most temples, even the web site you sited gave only handful of examples. Even if the sculptures are found in most temples, they are not bad as such. I am only saying this to point out the misinformation bigots like you spread.
My point is NOT “Why should a Hindu deity’s picture be put to a debate by a barbaric Muslim”, but “Why should an OBSENE Hindu deity’s picture be put to a debate by a barbaric Muslim. You don’t know how to read yourself and analyze properly, but you are offering your help to enlighten me. Yuk, thanks, but no thanks.
In the US they say even a paper weight can be indicted. It doesn’t prove anything. Only a conviction proves a crime was committed. I guess you didn’t know the difference between a person being indicted and convicted.
Hinduism today did not say they are cults moron, even if they said so what authority does they have to judge other Hindu paths. Hare Krishna is as much Hindu as any other Saivite. Only a moron, with his brains fell of when getting banged by a catholic minister like you, will say so.
Of course I never claimed to be practicing Hindu or for that matter fully informed Hindu. But I can properly read, analyze and write unlike you dick head.
If you don’t know what something I wrote refers to, go back and read your own post. I guess you should start there first, read what you write and understand it first before you offer your help to others.
Explain this you dishonest sunny moron,
"Hussain withdraws `Meenaxi'
MUMBAI, APR 16 (PTI)
A day after some Muslim organisations took objections to one of the songs in the M F Hussain's recent film `Meenaxi - A Tale of Three Cities', the eminent artiste today ordered for immediate withdrawal of the film from public shows in the entire country.
"I have told my sole distributor Yash Chopra to withdraw the film from public shows from all over the country with immediate effect," Hussain told PTI here.
"Since I have not sold the film, directed and produced by me, to anyone, including Chopra, I would like to stop screening of the the film," he said.
When asked for the reason behind it, Hussain said "I have not made the film to make money nor have I sold it to anyone. Therefore, I NEED NOT GIVE ANY REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL of the screening of the film to public." Terming the song `Noorun-ala-Noor' of the film, starring Tabu in the lead role, as "blasphemous", the All India Ulema Council had yesterday demanded an immediate ban on it.
"The song, picturised on Tabu, contains words which are directly lifted from the text of the Quran," the organisation, supported among others by Milli Council, All India Muslim Council, Raza Academy, Jamiat-Ul-Ulema-E-Hind and Jamat-e-Islami, said, adding "In Quran, the words are used to define the persona of Prophet but in Hussain's film, it is being use to depict the physical beauty of the heroine." THE SONG HAS HURT THE SENTIMENTS OF THE MUSLIMS, they claimed."
My point is that you did make a judgment, whether it is on the sculptures or the Hindus. Again you are twisting the truth here, Hindus are not objecting to any of the nude sculptures and any other nude paintings this Hussein bigot may have drawn. They are objecting to the Goddess Sita being depicted poorly. Get the point, don’t keeping confusing two different issues.
Hindus ransacked Hussein’s house and the gallery - precisely my point. They did not confuse themselves, like you and ransack Hussein’s neighbor’s house or some mosque where he might go and do the ass sniffing five times a day. But the dumb Mussalman’s ransacked the embassy, even though the embassy did not print the actual cartoon nor has any control over the media that printed them. This is called freedom of expression; learn what it means before you want to preach it.
Of course Hindus do not consider nude as obscene, I know that and also told so. Don’t parrot what I said back to me. I don’t know the reason the Europeans drew the barbaric Mohammed with a bomb shaped turban, may be because they blow themselves up so frequently, so they can go to Allah’s whorehouse. What does freedom of religion got to do with painting other people’s deities in an obscene manner? If he wants to break some barrier, right place for one person is to start at his own house or his own barrier. This bigot Hussein should have painted the barbaric Muhammad raping his nine year old “wife”, or any other act of barbarism. This is what a honest and a genuine artist or just a normal human being would do, they won’t try to break somebody else’s barrier particularly when that person doesn’t see any barrier to break in the first place.
Let me also apply this logic in different scenario. There is a painter living next door to your house. He sees that no body in the world has drawn any of their own mother in nude. He decides to do something about it and break the barrier. They he comes up with a brilliant idea and paints your mother in nude and puts up the painting for auction, even though he has a very beautiful mother. I hope you would still be able to support his freedom of expression, if you don’t, stop preaching your farcical freedom of expression crap when you don’t want to practice it your self.
If substantial evidence existed and the person was indicted, then why weren’t they convicted for the alleged crime they committed for which they were indicted in the first place? I already gave the reason for deportation, go back and read it. Who is in the US jail and for what crime? Jay walking. Give me the name and exact crime for which those particular person was convicted, other wise stop lying.
According to Hinduism Today, they are not even Hindus which means they are some pseudo-Hindu cults – this is your judgment and which is as usual wrong, not Hinduism today’s.
Don’t be sure of something you don’t know. I may be brainwashed or may be not – but the same point can be said of you as well. Also go back and see how many lies and nonsense you have repeated.
The link you provided did take me to the “software coolies” web site, don’t confuse daddy Kamat, mother Kamat, his wife, aunts, uncles and neighbors with lil Kamat, who owns this web site. But I understand it is hard for brainless morons like you to do so. Besides this Kamat moron is another dick head like you who believes in the white man’s Aryan Invasion turned Migration that is waiting to be renamed again as Tourism fantasy. Now I see where he comes from and what kind of nonsense he believes in. Since I found this out then anything he says about Hinduism, if not backed up by a Hindu guru’s interpretation, is invalid.
First India is not a city. But yes, what you stated has been advocated by people on this blog. The "church" near Sabarimala temple was moved to another place. AFAIK, there are no churches near the temple in Tirupati.
If Russians can decide for themselves and stop a temple from being built in a city because they consider the city to be holy, then Hindus can also decide for themselves and clear the country of all the barbaric cult's places of garbage, becasue Hindus consider the whole of Bharath as holy. Who are you to decide for Hindus what area they can consider as holy? Isn't this is already practiced in S Arabia.
of the Coke plant in "protest" of denial of US Visa to Modi
Show me proof thru a link.
Sunny moron,
I am getting sick of your pathetic low life arguments, who are you – a fourteen year old juvenile, if not I pity you.
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They are not two different issues if you know what the term freedom of speech means. Do they have the right to protest? Yes.
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The two different issues you said originally and I replied to earlier was between nude sculptures in the ancient Hindu society and the current painting depicting Goddess Sita poorly. The original comparison was not between the subsequent reactions. Basic rule for a debate or discussion or argument is that the persons involved should be honest. This above twisting of discussion shows that you are not.
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But they do not have the right to destroy the paintings or property. In this respect, there is no difference between the "fundamentalists". Or are you supporting the decision of the fundamentalists to destroy property and the paintings?
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If who ever did that did not apologize and withdraw that piece of garbage themselves, yes I do and if the gallery that displays that garbage becomes collateral damage, too bad. Again remember we are talking about a Hindu deity here, not just any other sculpture or painting… don’t get confused again, I guess you cannot chew gum and walk at the same time.
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So in your view if the Mussalman's had destroyed the offices of the Danish newspaper, it would be OK? What Danish newspaper has offices in Syria? None - which is why they burned the Danish flags and Danish embassy. According to your theory then why did the Hindu fundamentalists burn down the factory for denial of US Visa to Modi? Shouldn't they have burned down the US Consulate? Ha Ha Ha you are too funny.
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Would it be ok for the mussalman to destroy the Danish newspaper office, I don’t know, but at least their target would be right. The reason Bajrag Dal activists targeted the Pepsi plant goes back a long way, its not just Modi’s visa denial, in fact it could have been the last straw. You have to follow the news properly to get a perspective on this issue. By the way you yourself have pointed out that the Hindus did not target the embassy, again you, like the dumb Musaalmans, can’t think straight. You make the other persons point but with your skewered brain make one ass of an analysis and conclude differently. I may be funny, but you are a dumb clown, dick head.
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An artist has a choice to paint whatever he wants.
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Nobody, let alone an artist, has that choice. It is baloney if one says so. If a country is a free country it does not mean that everybody has right to do what ever they want. Free people should also show restrain and be responsible to the society they live in. Just because people are free it does not mean they can demean others, steal, rape and murder as they wish. Your point is exactly like that bastard Rumsfeld’s saying that people are free to do whatever they want. He said this when he did stop large scale looting in Iraq.
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Your analogy is poor - the question here is about a Hindu Goddess; apart from the fact that if the painter were living next to your momma and paints your momma nude, then she obviously posed for it.
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My analogy is not poor; it is your analysis that is stupid… of course the question is a Hindu Goddess, that is my point, but yours is not that, yours is freedom of expression garbage. I guess by now you are confused too much and don’t realize what you are saying…. and Goddess Sita did not pose nude to that bigot either, you dumb fuck… will you ever think straight and see the point I am making… I won’t hold my breath.
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Which is probably why his followers were indicted for poisoning a town and plotting to kill a US Attorney General
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This is what you said. You did not say either Oregon, deputy DA, or conviction. I guess I am wasting my time with an obsessive compulsive liar and misinformer who is also dishonest, dumb and have no sense of shame for the garbage he is peddling. By the way if you say hardly working then it means I am not working hard, exact opposite of what you are trying to say, dick head…. What, I have to give you English lessons now?
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Yes, the Indians can, but it is not upto you or this blog, isn't it? It needs to be voted upon after all India is democratic and a republic, to boot. Saudi Arabia is not. Also consider what you are saying - you want India to be a "great" country like Saudi Arabia? Gimme a break.
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People coming to this blog have every right, just like that bigot arch bishop, to ask for such bans. If I agree with your point, at least for argument sake, Russia is also a democracy now, this may be news to you, and similarly the bigot bishop does not have any right either. I perfectly realize what I am saying…. I am comparing your analysis of holy city crap with holy country S Arabia. You are saying something and then after couple of posts, you turn around and condemn the same as if I said it first. I guess you don’t have any brains all together.
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Ha Ha Ha....I see reason is alive and well among the Hindu fundamentalists - the Aryan Invasion Theory is the gold standard by which to judge if a person is Hindu or not
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No AIT is not the standard to judge whether a person is a Hindu or not, but it is one of the standards whether that person in an honest, impartial and informed human being. He need not be a Hindu himself.
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