Thursday, February 02, 2006

freedom of the press vs. religious feelings

feb 1st

interesting how the scandinavians are caving in to arab anger which led to arab nations boycotting danish goods. money talks, petrodollars talk very loudly.

regardless of whether or not it was appropriate to publish these cartoons, the key point worth noting is that economic power can be used to push political or religious ideas. this is the point that hindus should use. if someone abuses hindus, well then the institutions attached to them may lose hindu customers, eg. boycott certain colleges and tell them you are not giving them money because of their anti-hindu views. they will quickly get the message.

buyer power ki jai! indians need to understand this loud and clear.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1566270

78 comments:

cyniclearner said...

I have a small suggestion.
This boycot business cannot be sustained. Today thay have been boycotting Danemark. Now that German, Italian, French, Spanish, Dutch, and Swiss papers have done the same publishing, will the Arabs start boycotting products from all these countries ?
What if majority of countries in the world do the same,...why should any other country be bound from mediavel orthodoxy of Arabs ?

cyniclearner said...

I have another issue. The depiction of Mohammad and Allah is banned, ostensibly to prevent idolatory. In any muslim barber's shop in India, you can see the picture of Kaaba. Is that different from Idolatary.

Even if it is banned, it is banned ONLY for muslims. Non-muslims simply don't subscibe to Islamic dogma...that is why thay are non-muslims in the first place. Who and what authority does muslims have to IMPOSE their dogma on non-muslims ?

virat0 said...

Pretty good comment cyniclearner, the one in your second post. Now, if we repsect the muslim way in their affairs, then they must respect others ways in other affairs.

DarkStorm said...

Virat, true.

What really irks me no end is the "accusation" that we are idol-worshippers ( accusation is a wrong word here, is idol worship a crime )..

the biggest problem that jehadism and christism have against us is that we are idol-worshippers.

Point one: your religion prohibits idol-worship, ours doesnt. so whats your problem, jehadis and missionaries ??

Point two: even jehadism and christism indulge in idolworship. jehadis have to face that *stone building* in some desert in arabia while praying. Also they worship some graves in mosques. Whats haji ali in mumbai.. its the *stone* grave of some saint they worship.

Also, whats that wooden crosses the christists worship. and whats that idols of jesus and mary they bow down before. isnt that idol worship.

Point three: We are accused of being ritualistic. Well, doesnt christism and jehadism have rituals. whats that ritual of baptism, and sprinkling of holy water. Whats that ritual of touching wood after praying. Whats that ritual of bowing in front of crosses and idols of jesus and mary.

Whats that jehadi ritual of praying. whats that jehadi ritual of fasting and lashing themselves. whats that jehadi ritual of slaughtering animals. whats that ritual of burning some foul smelling substance and spreading smoke with fans.

bodhi dharma said...

Rajeev has a valid point here. Economic boycott of communal businesses. But when will the ignorant and apathetic hindus wake up?

One thing we could do is to form a legal cell that will support the hindu issues. Something like the legal foum, which represents VF and HEF in the California text book case.

Whenever the print media, or visual media makes 'sublimal' aparthied statements against Hindus, legal cell takes up the matter with that media CEO directly and warns him. Same with movies, which depict hindu dieties in a negative manner. Even the missionaries should be 'forced' to respect hinduism legally. Any abuses to a hindu child, or racial/sex harassment in a missionary school should be taken up legally and hindu organizations advised to boycott all schools run by the same sect/cult.

Any incident of conversion should also dealt with. Since Conversion is a blow to the religious freedom of the 'victim'. Of late, there is a tendency among the political parties, esp CPM, Congress to put up minority candidates (in some cases with hindu names - Manoj Varghese becomes Manoj V) in poor hindu majority areas. Slowly this constitueny will be 'reserved' for minorities forever.

A strong loud noise is needed and a strong action legally.

cyniclearner said...

Interestingly, no indian intellectual who are always ready to defend the right of MF Hussain to paint Hindu Goddesses nude, are anywhere to be seen in the whole affair.
Anyone has any on-record stand of india's fake intellectuals on this issue ?

zeus said...

Unrelated:

Related to brown peril:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/02/opinion/edtripathi.php

san said...

Well, I feel there should be a right to caricature any and all deities/figures, including the Islamic ones.

I would point out that the Islamists are the biggest whiners on these things, and we should not accomodate them by legitimizing their narrow-mindedness.

Feeling offended, Muslims? Big deal, live with it -- just like the rest of us do. It's not like political cartoons single out Mohammad for caricature more than any other religious figure. He gets caricatured, but so do all the others.

If Euro-Atlanticist forces are intent upon appeasing the Islamist lobby to the extent of licking their boots, then this blow to Euro/Atlanticist credibility needs to be highlighted for maximum effect. These Atlanticists claim to be the biggest upholders of freedom, but now I'm watching their mouthpieces like NYT try to downplay the firing of the French newspaper editor who dared to reprint the cartoons.

Let the Atlanticists be held to account for their blatant kowtowing, and let their credibility be stained for all the world to see.

A Lag said...

I don't think Hindus have any moral high ground against Muslims in this particular issue. Did we not protest when Hindu deities were printed on footwear and toiletbowl covers? Did we not protest when the UK released Christmas stamps with Hindus praying to JC? How can we say that Muslims need to take it easy?

Kaunteya said...

BGM,
No one's asking Muslims to -"take it easy". No point in even going that way b'cos they never "take it easy".
Point here is the duplicity of the so called "intellectuals" who do not mind Sita being shown nude and attack the so called "Hindu fundamentalists" for protesting, but remain silent when Muslims protest.
This forum has routinely exposed the double standards of "soft-liberal-progressive" lot who carry their liberalism on their sleeves all the time. Not sure if you are new to this blog. If yes, make an effort to get the context right. If you can't , just scoot and save your bleeding heart for another day - when a "peace loving" muslim kills another of the Danish/French/British journalist for the cariacature.

KapiDhwaja said...

Funny episode abt Dr. Raja Ramanna.

Unassuming Raja
by K.S. Parthasarathy

During the seventies, there was only one BEST bus service connecting Dadar to Trombay where the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) is located. It was less frequent. In the morning, if one missed BARC staff bus starting from Dadar, one had to wait a while to reach BARC.

Mr Puri (name changed) missed the bus that day. He had just joined BARC as a Scientific Assistant. He wanted to go to Trombay urgently. Taxi service was too expensive. Also, he did not have enough cash with him that day. He eagerly waited at the main junction, hoping to get a lift.

Shortly, he saw a car with the BARC name plate coming from a distance. He frantically waved his hand, virtually jumping before it. The driver ignored him. But after a few yards the vehicle stopped. A bespectacled gentleman seated behind beckoned him.

Mr Puri ran fast and got in to the front seat. He cursed BEST loudly. BARC laboratories should have been somewhere in the city and not in far away Trombay, he grumbled. His co-passenger was busy reading some book. Puri, who was at his ebullient best, interrupted him a few times. Puri visibly annoyed the driver. He didn’t care. His co-passenger wore an amused look.

As the car approached the BARC gate, his co-passenger tapped Puri’s shoulder from behind. “Where do you want to get down”? “Is it Ok, if I drop you at the next junction”? “That is OK, gentleman” Puri responded. He had his own mannerisms.

Puri forgot the episode. He made friends with everyone. Head held high, he was over 6ft; he was an imposing figure and he knew it. He thought he was a born leader and was always in the front for every activity.

Two weeks later, the staff assembled near the Central Complex Building. It was Dr Bhabha’s birthday; the Founder’s day was the day of stock-taking for the staff.

Puri and his boisterous friends arrived well in advance. They occupied the front row. The function started on time. As the Chairman, Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) stood up to speak, Puri felt that the face was vaguely familiar; he hastily ran back to be out of sight! He suffered from the mother of all shocks. He realised that the gentleman who gave him a lift two weeks ago, was Dr Raja Ramanna, the then Chairman of the AEC.

xmatrix said...

I would like to boycott puki stores (including a famous hindi theater in bay area - desis think it is an Indian joint), (mu)salman kahn movies, kebab places etc. I just don't want my money to end up in the hands of "biryani" loving "misguided" youths.

saras said...

xmatrix!

you will do well also to stop spending money on Hindi movies in general and cricket. The money you spend in these two cases is very likely to go into jehadi hands!

indianpatriot said...

The usual pseudo secular media's tirade against anything Hindu with half facts and lies.
1) First non congress govt formed in 1983 not 1995.
2) BJP/JanSangh/Hindu Mahasabha had membership in Hubli corporation not all of a sudden in 1993.
3) South Kanara not just being a stronghold of RSS/BJP but pioneer in many other respects. Many private banks (Canara, Syndicate, Corporation Bank) started here in 1900. Private Engg and Medical colleges started here with Manipal Medical college and also Regional Engineering college in Surathkal. Also it was first district to achieve 100% literacy even before Kerala.
4) Regarding communal riots it was done by congress politician to get rid of ailing CM Veerendra Patil. In another city there was furious backlash after riots were started by Muslim Mayor in Davangere.

Probably English media journalists have to find communal ghost to hate BJP/RSS.
Saffron spread


BJP has used its UP strategies to rise in Karnataka. Will it be different now?


PAMELA PHILIPOSE


Posted online: Friday, February 03, 2006 at 0000 hours IST



Politics in Karnataka could be the script for a fine Yakshagana performance. The angst of a wronged father confronting a wayward son who threatens to squander a carefully constructed political legacy, has mythological resonances that will long echo through the capacious corridors of Bangalore’s Vidhana Soudha. H.D. Deve Gowda knows well the price the Janata Dal — which flags the word ‘secular’ as part of its nomenclature — will have to pay for son H.D. Kumaraswamy’s pact with the BJP. He sees it for what it is: political suicide.

The BJP’s ascent to governance in Karnataka — if things go according to plan — will see the emergence of a bipolar polity in the state. It will also mean an end to the Janata Dal, as we know it, 12 short years after its big moment when various factions led by strongmen H.D. Deve Gowda, S.R. Bommai and R.K. Hedge fought elections together and gave the state its first non-Congress government. For the BJP, breaking the south-of-the-Vindhyas barrier will come as a major psychological boost — the culmination of 16 years of concerted labour.



While covering the 1991 General Election in the state, I could distinctly discern the saffron tint in the air. The Congress, which until then had enjoyed unchallenged suzerainty in the state, had trouble even in encashing politically the sympathy generated by Rajiv Gandhi’s assassination. I remember speaking at that point to the erstwhile maharaja of Mysore, Srikantadatta Narasimharaja Wodeyar, who had deserted the Congress for the BJP. He believed that time was on the BJP’s side: “The youth are the moving force today, and they are supportive of the Hindutva cause. The Rajmata may have invited me to join the party, but I am convinced about the BJP’s politics. I am a practicing Hindu and the Congress Party’s policy of minority appeasement was too much.” He subsequently found it more advantageous to return to the Congress, but there was no denying the political frisson he had referred to. That election saw the BJP emerge with four seats in Karnataka — a first in the south — and, more significantly, 29 per cent of the votes. In ’89, it could secure only 2.6 per cent of votes!

How did this happen in a state that had witnessed the Congress’s one-party dominance ever since its birth? The cynical and corrupt politics of the Congress certainly helped, but without doubt Karnataka was the most receptive among the four southern states to the passions unleashed by the Ram Janmabhoomi movement. The Sangh Parivar’s Rama Jyothi processions introduced a new dynamic into local politics as a string of riots, in towns like Ramnagaram, Channapatna, Kolar, Devangere, erupted in September-October ’90. In Mangalore, Congress’s Janardhana Poojary who won election after election by cleverly posing as the ‘Poojary of the poor’, bit the dust in that election. The BJP’s V. Dhananjaya Kumar, buttressed by vocal support from local temple trusts and pilgrim centres, like the influential Pejavar Mutt and the Shree Kshetra Dharmasthal, defeated him by 35,000 votes.

Over the next decade the BJP consolidated its hold in three pockets of the state: the coastal belt, the Bombay-Karnataka and the Hyderabad-Karnataka regions. There is a popular misconception that the BJP’s politics in the south is markedly different to its north Indian variant. The fact is that the party’s political strategy — the “exclusion-inclusion” paradigm — was essentially the same in Karnataka, as in UP. It played the Hindu card and deepened communal divides in the state, while working for a homogeneous Hindutva identity by melding together disparate caste groups.

To help in polarising the state along communal lines, the Karnataka BJP threw itself into the Idgah Maidan campaign in Hubli, with some help from national leaders. In 1992, during Murli Manohar Joshi’s Ekta Yatra, local party workers attempted to hoist the flag in the Maidan to contest the ownership rights of the Anjuman-e-Islam. The party persisted with the campaign for the next two years, through episodes of rioting and deaths in police firing. Even after the Anjuman-e-Islam authorities defused the issue by themselves deciding to hoist the national flag, the Sangh Parivar continued to target the Idgah Maidan, making Hubli something of a communal hotspot. Its exertions saw a rise in local profile. By 2002, a party that had no presence in the Hubli corporation ten years earlier, had come to occupy 40 per cent of its seats. The conscious search for an Ayodhya-like flashpoint, also saw the Sangh Parivar home in on the Guru Dattatreya Baba Budangiri Swamy dargah, near Chikmagalur. In December 2003, the VHP-Bajrang Dal attempted to “liberate” the dargah with notables like Pravin Togadia and Sadhvi Ritambara providing the required soundbites. The state BJP participated in this campaign with great enthusiasm.

If “exclusion” required the services of the stormtroopers, “inclusion” demanded intense community networking. It was along the coastal belt that attempts to construct a homogeneous Hindutva identity proved most successful. Two factors worked in its favour there. The first was the presence of a disciplined RSS cadre. Ram Madhav, RSS spokesperson, is on record for having noted that the Dakshina Kannada district had become one of the strongholds of the RSS because in at least 300 places shakas have been running at least two programmes each. These included civic interventions like promoting village cleanliness, temple maintenance, water purification, the creation of self-help and knowledge dissemination groups. The powerful mutts and temples that dot the Mangalore-Udipi region were sites of community bonding around festivals, bhajan sessions, and locally convened Hindu Samajosavas. In these activities, the lower castes — which in an earlier era had been kept at a distance — were consciously wooed. Such activities and institutions worked as force multipliers for the BJP. At the political level the party kept itself open to anyone willing to do business with it. If Ramakrishna Hegde had helped it consolidate the Brahmin-Lingayat vote, winning over S. Bangarappa (albeit for a short spell), broadened its appeal among the Idigas.

This strategy of inclusion-exclusion has paid the party rich dividends in Karnataka, where surveys indicate that the party now enjoys considerable support from SC/STs and OBCs in the state. The BJP’s biggest problem so far had been its inability to make that final leap to power and thus keep its restive flock intact. Kumaraswamy may have just solved that dilemma — for the time being, at least.

DarkStorm said...

>>>>>
I don't think Hindus have any moral high ground against Muslims in this particular issue. Did we not protest when Hindu deities were printed on footwear and toiletbowl covers? Did we not protest when the UK released Christmas stamps with Hindus praying to JC? How can we say that Muslims need to take it easy?
=========

Yep, BGM, go talk to mr. javed akhtar who ridicules Hindu Gurus.
Please contact mr amjad ali khan, who thinks channels showing religious programs are a threat to Indian society and a threat to secularism (LOL... ). (Did he ever say anything against those Kuran channels that openly ridicule Hindu religion).

BGM, its about double standards. Someone prints Hindu deities on toilet covers and footwear but a caricature of Mohamed provokes great outrage, including gunmen surrounding EU embassy in the mideast desert. By the way, nobody would print Mohamed on a toilet-cover or underwear, okay.

We have pseudo-intellectual-seculars who routinely trash our genuine concerns while licking jehadi boots. Do you have anything to say to them, mr. BGM.

KapiDhwaja said...

FATWA against smoking!...

http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story5%2Etxt&counter_img=5

In Eurabia, Muslims want fatwa against smoking

Kanchan Gupta

A group of British Muslim doctors, hugely encouraged by the rapidly emerging contours of Eurabia and the onward march of Islamists in Londonistan, Copenistan and Parisistan, is pressing for a fatwa against smoking. Senior scholars of Sharia'h, we are told, are working on the ruling.




Since looking up ancient texts to frame decrees on modern day problems is a tedious affair, the British Muslim doctors who are all set to open a new front in the battle against smoking could just check out the online fatwa service of our very own Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband.



The Deobandi mullahs have already ruled on the hedonistic practice of inhaling tobacco fumes for the sheer, and satanic, pleasure of feeling the nicotine nip at red blood corpuscles. Nothing could beat this for a spot of S&M.



"Respected Mufti Saheb," writes Anonymous to Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband, "I am trying to give up smoking but I do not seem to be able to give it up. What should I do?" As if expiating for this sin is not enough, he adds, "Previously in my ignorance I had photographs taken of myself. Some of these are in my possession while some are in the possession of others. What should I do with those photographs?" And, finally, for good measure, "I always over-eat. How can I stop this?"



Respected Mufti Saheb is not one to scoff at such concerns. With due seriousness he replies, "Respected Brother":



"To give up your habit of smoking adopt the following procedure: Immediately cut down the number of cigarettes you smoke daily by a quarter. After one week cut it down by another quarter. In this manner each week reduce it by quarter. Insha-Allah you will then manage to give up this habit."



"Burn the photographs that you have in your possession. Also acquire those photographs which are in the possession of others and burn them. If they refuse to give it to you, buy it from them and burn them."



"Fix the amount that you require to eat before hand and eat that much only. Do not eat to your full. One should stop eating when just a little hunger is still left."



I shall let the second and last bit pass. There's a mathematical problem, though, with the first bit. After a weekly reduction of smokes by a quarter ad infinitum, there would still be three-quarters left. So how do we finally stub it out?



While on the issue of fatwas, it's heartening to note that our theologians are more enlightened than the tribe of Dr Rashad Khalil of Al Azhar who recently ruled that if a man and his wife drop their clothes for a bit of nookie, their marriage stands annulled.



Outraged Egyptians - all marriages in Egypt, according to this fatwa, stand automatically annulled - are now citing a fatwa issued by an Indian mufti, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, to fob off the Al Azhar mullah.



"Guard your private concealed parts except from your marriage partner," writes Sheikh Ahmad Kutty in his ruling to a worried spouse's query - "Respected scholars, how much nudity is allowed during intercourse?" - posted at Islamonline.org.



"There is no restriction on married couples exposing themselves in the presence of each other for their mutual enjoyment or pleasure," Sheikh Ahmad Kutty explains, "there is no restriction in nudity when practiced strictly within the bounds of lawful marriage."



India rules!

Anand Rajadhyaksha said...

Al so nicely het up. Anyway, has anyone seeen the cartoons?

Ali Sina has posted them on www.freedomfaith.org you can take a look.

Sriram_A said...

Check this link from the Reuters website. It shows only half of Kashmir as part of India.

http://www.alertnet.org/map/index.htm?ct=2&code=BT&code=IN&pcode=

Sriram

KapiDhwaja said...

About Bhadralok

solarpetal said...

hi rajeev,
i dont know if you stopped responding to comments bcos of the low quality. i agree that the comments have dropped from being informative to trolls/flames. i request you once again to provide some references for
1. india's and britain's gdp in 1750 and 1850 reversed.
2. britian looted 10 trillion from india. u also used this in your latest column on rediff.

KapiDhwaja said...

Quote by Laloo..

‘‘A house is like a railway platform, where people come and go. I was at Anne Marg for 15 years and now Nitish has come. Let’s see how long he continues.’’

habc said...

BGM,

Some others here might give you the benefit of doubt - but I recognize you as a psec jerk.

The thing about you psecs is that you are basically half literate people who they they are very smart and "maadern".

Let me tell you the differences
1. The Muslims complained to the editor of Jyllands Posten newspaper.
2. Newspaper apologized for hurting their "feelings"
3. Muslims countries ambassadors in Danmark demanded that the Danish PM punish the newspaper and its editor.
4. Danish PM said he did not have the power to punish the newspaper and even if he had the power he would not use it because it goes against democratic principles (real ones not psec principulls)
5. Muslims decided to punish ALL OF DANMARK and ALL companies of Danmark and ALL people of Danmark.

Now did I penetrate your primitive brain?

Now Let us see how Hindus react
1. Some company in Italy/Britain puts Hindu Gods on a toilet seat cover.
2. Hindu community sends emails to this company protesting (note - just EMAILS - get it?)
3. Company apologizes
4. Hindu community accepts apology and moves on
5. There is no assault on Italians/British in INDIA.
6. There is no boycott of ALL Italian/British companies in India
7. Hindu Gurus do NOT get involved
8. Indian govt does NOT get involved
9. Most Hindus never cared before/during/after - real FACT get it?
10. Nobody harasses Italian/British in India / Nepal

Did you get that - I wasted so much time writing this - but with you psec farts everything has to be spelled out - A for Apple.....

You "maadern" peeepuls cannot distinguish between people who distribute "tin trishuls" and people who are plotting to smuggle and use Nukes.

Abstraction is required to understand the world, but abstraction does not mean you abandon the power of discrimination and basic common sense

If you keep abstrascting out and generalizing then you end up with something like this
A table is made up of atoms and molecules, so is a person therefore table-person equal-equal.

There is a difference between BARBARIANS and civilized people - hopefully you psecs will actually get it before all the women of your family get stuffed into Burkhas and have FGM performed on them - by the way dont think you will escape scot free. In Turkey when they wen on the rampage they were circumcising people on the street in broad daylight.

Unfortunately for you psecs the west is not filled with fools who think they are smart

Die Tageszeitung, Germany: "In a democratic and secular society, showing decency and respect for other cultures does not mean adopting their religious dogmas."

"Above all else, the Devil cannot stand to be mocked."
C.S. Lewis


The Muslims have sown the wind now they will reap the whirlwind
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=19059#c0087

solarpetal said...

so here it comes. another fatwa:
Don't work with men, Muslim clerics tell Indian women

http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,1701299,00.html

now lets see if this causes a whimper. remember the outrage when shiv sena suggested women dress more carefully.

ihatetendulkar said...

read
http://ihatetendulkar.blogspot.com/

KapiDhwaja said...

India's Hospital tourism..

nando said...

Hi folks!
Pl see this link for Mohamed's image archive..
It has been documented by muslims themselves in various times and no noise made! now suddenly all this..
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/
and btw id the danes apologise, is it enof and done? what happens to all the damages the arabs did like stamping on danish flag(by keeping as foot mat in many stores)??
The intolerance is growing without boundaries..

SunnyWarrior said...

Point here is the duplicity of the so called "intellectuals" who do not mind Sita being shown nude and attack the so called "Hindu fundamentalists" for protesting, but remain silent when Muslims protest.

Many ancient Indian temples have sculptures that are erotic - take Khajuraho, for example. The "duplicity" then is with the Hindu "fundamentalists" who would rather not acknowledge this aspect of Hindu culture.

This forum has routinely exposed the double standards of "soft-liberal-progressive" lot who carry their liberalism on their sleeves all the time

"Forum" is loosely used and how do you actually "expose" the "double standards"? Most common assertion - "the secular media was silent about [insert favorite pet peeve of author]" or the "secular progressive intellectuals" did not protest "[insert favorite pet peeve of author]". Now *that* settles it - repeated assertion without evidence, which works with the Indian-language media journalists...Archbishop Nikon give his opinion about the construction of a Hindu temple by a Hindu cult in Russia and up in arms are the overseas Hindu "forums" with the British Government touting "freedom of speech, religion and expression". Say what? Why should this be such a problem for Hindus in *Britain* - shouldn't the Russian citizens, Hindus in Russia and authorities decide for themselves what should be allowed in their country, according to their laws? The real reason is that the Hindu cult in *Britain* is *financing* the temple. Apparently it is not just the "petro-dollars", "software-dollars" work too, huh? The power of money and the quixotic quest for "exposing double-standards".

required said...

habc... you are one fanatical fundamentalist aren't you. I merely stated my viewpoint and even went to the extent of personalizing my question saying "we Hindus" instead of just "Hindus" only to avoid a bigoted interpretation of my post. The others who replied to my post were reserved in their criticism seemingly without prejudice, for they don't have my prior posts to judge me by. But you, sir, are one bigoted xenophobe. It's due to rabid fundamentals like you that outsiders think that Hindus are narrow-minded. Hats off, and go ahead, think what you want about me.

PS: Your point is well taken.

-BGM

habc said...

BGM - If you are not a psec - my apologies


The reason I called you a psec was BECAUSE you said WE Hindus - otherwise I could have called you a mullah.

Here is your statement
"I don't think Hindus have any moral high ground against Muslims in this particular issue. Did we not protest when Hindu deities were printed on footwear and toiletbowl covers? Did we not protest when the UK released Christmas stamps with Hindus praying to JC? How can we say that Muslims need to take it easy"

Tell me which senctence in the above paragraph is not "psecish"

First you farted about "MORAL HIGH" ground - this is standard gandhi-nakhru psec crap. Then you did the Hindu protest equal Muslim protest. This is basically equal equal craptalk. THere is NO equal-equal get it - that was the WHOLE point of what I wrote.

Regarding your second comment
"It's due to rabid fundamentals like you that outsiders think that Hindus are narrow-minded."

The whole point about leftists/psecs is that they are obsessed about what OTHER think/say about them. So you sir are Psychologically a LEFTIST.
A NORMAL person or RIGHTIST will say "I do not care what other people think - I will do what I believe is right based on my Principles/beliefs" - eg. Bush. Eg. the song "Koi Kahe, Kahte Rahe" (apologize if you do not watch Hindi movies) is a "rightist" song.

Also your categorizing me as a "rabid fundamentalist" when I did not talk about the _Hindu Religion_ at all - also gives you away

By the way here are the views of an apostate Muslim
Combat Stupidity with Humiliation
http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina50529.htm

If you have never been on that site I would recommend that you spend some time on it - the author has an open challenge that if anybody proves even a single word wrong on his web site - he will shut the site down

"Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

siva said...
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siva said...

Sunny Warrior,

The erotic sculptures in the Hindu temples in India are not those of Goddess Sita or Saraswati or Lakshmi. They are just that - erotic sculptures. And they are found in only a handful of Hindu temples specifically built for such purposes - to bring out and glorify the natural erotic aspects of human beings, because ancient Hindus are not crazy like christist to say that sexual activities performed only for pleasure not for procreation is sin. Not all Hindu temples have such sculptures. So Hindu “fundamentalists” are spot on right when they objected to the paintings of that bigot Hussein.

On Goddess Sita painting issue, that bastard Hussein hid behind freedom of expression when Hindus protested his drawings but promptly with drew one of his other works when some mullahs objected to it. I guess this also not double standard of Indian secularists, according to your standards.

This forum may not have convinced you that it has exposed the timid ELM of India not exposing the criminal activity of Mullahs/Missionaries/Marxists by not showing enough evidence, but you also did not do so while defending them.

What is wrong in Hindus voicing their concern for Hindus in Russia, isn’t it a fact that christist/mussalmans do the same at the drop of a hat. Hindus of Britain giving money to construct a temple in Russia is not the same as petro dollars. They are all hard earned, after tax, legit money while petro dollars are not so. By the way why did you conveniently leave out the reason that Bigot arch bishop Nikon cited, when he wrote a letter asking the Moscow mayor to cancel the permit already given to Hare Krishnas, cults according to you, to build a temple? He did not give any building code violation or any other violation of law you misleading, lying bastard. He said that Lord Krishna, one of the prime deities of Hindu trinity is a devil. Mind you he is not any other Christian who can hide behind ignorance when caught with his pants down. He is the Christian number uno of Russia, the arch bishop of orthododox Russian Christianity, true face of Christianity, living upto the true spirit of Christianity commanded in the “holy” bible. So the concerns of British Hindus are perfectly legitimate and justified. It may not be so for you and other Indian sickularist morons.

I have also read some of your other posts about Hindus and Hinduism. They are so stupid and silly it just shows your ignorance of Hinduism. I applaud you for your Kajuraho example but I dare you to come up with 3 more examples of such temples with in half an hour of reading this post. If not stick to those topics you know and stop parroting commie and christist missionary/terrorist definition of Hinduism. Or if you want to quote Hinduism then learn it from an informed practicing Hindu.

KapiDhwaja said...

More abt Mittal: Nerves of Steel

lazysusan said...
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lazysusan said...

BGM ; sunnywarrior,

"Point here is the duplicity of the so called "intellectuals" who do not mind Sita being shown nude and attack the so called "Hindu fundamentalists" for protesting, but remain silent when Muslims protest. Many ancient Indian temples have sculptures that are erotic - take Khajuraho, for example. The "duplicity" then is with the Hindu "fundamentalists" who would rather not acknowledge this aspect of Hindu culture. "


What duplicity ? There is a BIG difference between drawinng *any* woman nude versus Goddess Sita nude. So your argument is not valid.

"Did we not protest when Hindu deities were printed on footwear and toiletbowl covers? Did we not protest when the UK released Christmas stamps with Hindus praying to JC?"

HIndus protested by starting a signature campaign. NOT by getting violent, sending death threats to the cartoonists & putting up morchas or rallies with posters which read 'exterminate those who mock islam' 'get ready for another 9/11' and such like and TORCHING EMBASSIES. A HUGE difference between the 2 protests dont you think ? So ofcourse Hindus have moral high ground. And anyways, this issue is about Muslims & their intolerance & extreme reactions, no matter what other religions do or do not do.

Suraj said...

Some food for thought for the day:
"And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women ... shalt thou take unto thyself.--Deuteronomy 20:13-14.
(Courtesy: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/)

sukracharya said...

Rajeev, please visit my blog whose link is given below and check out..its brand new and have posted 4 posts so far.... would really love to see your comment... hope this comment reaches you..

http://sukracharya.blogspot.com

BTW, can you guess why i named my blog sukracharya??

DarkStorm said...

Hey habc , nice one ;-)

sukracharya, why??.

Ok, BGM/required,

I actually understand your point. Yes, to a very limited extent I agree. But the situation with us is very different.
1. There have been gross misrepresentations of Hinduism (some of which you pointed out correctly), which is absolutely NOT the case with the jehadi cults.
2. Indian government (read, Congress, leftists ) does not care about Hinduism, which forms about 80% of the population. It will intervene if jehadi issues are at stake, like in the Salman Rushdie case, and like saving the eye of a jehadi criminal in Saudi Arabia. If Hindus are persecuted outside India, the government does not bother, unlike Israel which raises those issues.
3. For a moment consider what happened in Europe. A newspaper prints a picture of mohamed, which Muslims all over the world, including jehadi governments protested, took up arms, threatened boycott, threatened to kill and bomb.
Now in India, Hindus are routinely maligned, but *legitimate* Hindu protests are suppressed. They are labeled communal and bigots. The p-secs come up with some vague theories about how ancient India was filled with tolerance, and the prime example given is Khajuraho (like our dear old dumb gay sunnyWimp did!!). Of course, many right minded individuals here have pointed out the difference.
4. India is a case of dhimmitude, not freedom of expression. Jehadi excesses are tolerated in the name of secularism and liberalism.
5. We have less rights than minorities, just for the dumb liberals to prove that they are open-minded (of course, they are open minded, their brains fell off na ! ).
6. Ok, forget whatever happened in Europe. Lets talk about India. We DO have the higher moral ground. We are the oppressed party here. We have jehadis and christists/Satanists converting our people citing inequality, and then demanding reservations at the same time, citing lower social status. That is because, lower castes do not want to loose their quotas and hence do not convert readily.
7. No secular-liberal-progressive person considers the case of Hindus. It is us who are being killed in larger numbers. Secularism is an excuse of "minority pampering".
8. Why is it always us who do the tolerance, peace and adjustment crap. Why cannot jehadis live peacefully with others. Why do we always have to give concessions, adjust with our faith, accept the destruction of our 3000 temples while they cannot adjust with just one less mosque.
9. You will actually see a lot of discrimination. I recall a case , when the mumbai municipal corporation went on a drive to demolish illegal places of worship. On the eastern express highway, near Mulund in Mumbai, there was a temple and a mosque, both illegal as per the municipals. The temple was demolished and the mosque was allowed to stay. The local protested but to no avail.
10. Jehadi literature in India is full of hate against Hindus. jehadi mullahs openly abuse Hindu religion. Do we threaten to kill and bomb. I guess we will have to do it for once, to stop all their cheap jehad, kill , bomb, kafir, allah, kuran ,shaheed and hoor pari stuff. (How kiddish, no wonder they never grow up from their fairy tales ).

We have cheap do takke ke painters painting objectionable stuff, in the name of secularism, and with first class kothe-walis like Shabana azmi supporting them. Oh Wow.. an idea. Can I morph a pic of Shabana Azmi on a nude hot pic and posting it on the internet.. Hey.. its freedom of expression , isnt it. :-)
Or what about mohamed with a gay boy (Taht would be our dear old SunnyWimp :-D). It takes minutes with imaging tools on a PC. :-).. Hey its freedom of expression , isnt it. Whaddya think, BGM. ;-).

11. Read more of this blog, before diving into the sea of toxicity.

BGM, remember, a liberal is a person whose interests are not at stake. Hope you see some sense into all this now.

DarkStorm said...

>>>>
so here it comes. another fatwa:
Don't work with men, Muslim clerics tell Indian women

http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,1701299,00.html

now lets see if this causes a whimper. remember the outrage when shiv sena suggested women dress more carefully.
=====

Well nice one solarpetal.
Where are our liberal pseudo-seculars. Why are they silent. Ohh come on, What if Shiv sena had suggested that "muslim women should not work with men". Instant fatwa from the seculars - thou art communal, divisive and fundamentalist.

Care to comment BGM. :-)

Whaddya think , Sunny Wimp ;-)

KapiDhwaja said...

Let me take a stab at why the name Sukracharya. Sukracharya was the Guru of the Asuras, who were devious. So probably he named his blog Sukracharya to come up with unconventional ideas to defeat the enemies. Also Sukracharya knew the art of 'Sanjeevani', i.e bringing the dead back to life. We prob need that too to bring the dying aspects of Hinduism back to life.

iamfordemocracy said...

This is how extremist forces scare their vocal opponents...from rediff..---

Bofors backfires on Jaitley

How can you point fingers at the ruling dynasty and then expect not to pay the price? BJP leader Arun Jaitley, who has led the opposition assault against the Manmohan Singh government following the Quattrocchi affair, has had his security stripped down to the barest minimum.

A couple of days after Jaitley tore down the government's defences, armed guards posted outside his house were abruptly withdrawn. Also gone was the armed escort who accompanied him in his private vehicle wherever he travelled in the capital. Jaitley is now left with a lone unarmed cop outside his house.

The Union home ministry did not extend the courtesy of taking Jaitley into confidence before downsizing his security. Significantly, several BJP leaders, including Ravi Shankar Prasad, Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi and even Shahnawaz Hussain, have been provided round-the-clock armed security.

daisies said...

I was thinking what a grave
mistake the founding fathers of
indepedent India made by not
making Hinduism the state religion.

On the one hand, a separate state
was carved out for those wanting
nothing to do with religion.
Logically, the remaining state
should have been a Hindu state.

But the founding fathers being
typical trusting, benevolent,
large-hearted Hindus, thought
that this would be a peaceful
haven of co-existence, as those
who didnt want us had crossed
to the other side.

Little did they realise that the
warring, conquering tendencies
had not left the country and that
religion binds many non-Hindu
Indians to other countries, and
their loyalty to their religion can
become bigger than loyalty to the
country that sustains them.

The founding fathers made a big
mistake, and this needs to be
rectified.

The constitution needs to be
changed. That can be done only if
we have an OVERWHELMING Hindu
majority in power, who understand
what is at stake.

On the MF Hussein issue - it was
sickening. And outrageous that
such a prominent artist had so
little reverence for Hindu
religion. Just shows he is
really cranky and/or
just doesnt care about Hindus'
feelings. It is not even OK to
paint *any* woman nude, if it's a
real person, without her giving
permission. Painting deities nude
is just out of the question, no
Hindu will find that acceptable.

If he had an iota reverence, he
would not even think of painting
deities from other religions nude.

Sick artist running out of ideas
and creativity to make and sell new
art items.

He should instead have painted
prophet Mohammad nude. After all,
prophet was nude at least when he
was bathing, I suppose ?

(rhetorical Q, not requiring an
answer...).

daisies said...

Correction:

On the one hand, a separate state
was carved out for those wanting
nothing to do with Hindu religion.

DarkStorm said...

daisies,
I agree wholesomely. I think the same many a times. We, our elder gen and our future gens would have been much better off.

i fail to understand you, in the previous entry, you talk about worshipping sonia maddo , and now support Hinduism. Strange.

What you wrote previously was actually allright, except the part where you support sonia-worshipping to bring men to their knees (Ludicrous).. A case of cure being worse than the disease.

You reminded me of dilip dsouza or praful bidwai or some prominent leftist rabble rouser, who wrote that US should invade and take over India to stop "human rights" violations . (human rights of muslims of course, I never heard of Hindus having any). Similarly, to bring about equality of the sexes, you advocate sonia-worshipping. The cure is much worse :)

I was thinking there are more than one people using your id to post given your often self contradictory posts, but then the posting style seems to belong to one person ( Enter key after every line in the comment dialog box, not realizing that it does the word wrap automatically. Unless of course two or more people using your id press Enter after every line in the textbox, and that possibility is less).

daisies said...

Darkstorm,

I didnt read your whole post.

I did see your Sonia comment, and
in fact was expecting that from
you.

It comes back to the same thing -
you never understood my comment
on Sonia.

That was my way of telling Rajeev
to be equal in his moderation,
and be non-acerbic, else, I and
other women might leave your
blog...and if all men behave
like that, we'll just leave them,
bye bye.

He must have understood it. That is
why I took the liberty to write in
that fashion.

Whereas you took it to mean that
I worship Sonia. Heavens!!!
Heavens!!! I dont worship her.

She became citixn after Rajiv Gandhi came to power, and also
never even signed the guest
register at Tirupathi, inspite of
being a non-Hindu. That was rude!

DarkStorm said...

>>>
So maybe such men will learn to
respect women the hard way - by
getting Sonia as Queen of India,
and being forced to bow down
before her and listening to her
lectures on television.
====

Well, you could have put across your point in another way, but not so grossly. We dont mind bowing down to Lakshmijee or Saraswatijee, but Sonia Maddo!!! How did you even think of that, even to spite us, threaten us , whatever. :-)

>>>
And not a single guy has been
moderated on this blog. Only two
people were moderated - me and
the other lady who wrote here.
===
As you said, no guys have been moderated, then I must add wild guys like me have been moderated earlier by Rajeev, without any explanation. Thats another matter that we were being naughty :-)

>>>I didnt read your whole post.
Please read it fully.

Well, you might not have meant what you wrote , but sadly, its true to some extent. There are nutcases out there who bow down before Sonia. Eg. Nutwit singh, madmoron singh, toxic singh, etc.

DarkStorm said...

>>>
So maybe such men will learn to
respect women the hard way - by
getting Sonia as Queen of India,
and being forced to bow down
before her and listening to her
lectures on television.
====

Well, you could have put across your point in another way, but not so grossly. We dont mind bowing down to Lakshmijee or Saraswatijee, but Sonia Maddo!!! How did you even think of that, even to spite us, threaten us , whatever. :-)

>>>
And not a single guy has been
moderated on this blog. Only two
people were moderated - me and
the other lady who wrote here.
===
As you said, no guys have been moderated, then I must add wild guys like me have been moderated earlier by Rajeev, without any explanation. Thats another matter that we were being naughty :-)

>>>I didnt read your whole post.
Please read it fully.

Well, you might not have meant what you wrote , but sadly, its true to some extent. There are nutcases out there who bow down before Sonia. Eg. Nutwit singh, madmoron singh, toxic singh, etc.

daisies said...

DarkStorm,

You have called my posts as
"often self-contradictory".

Some of the contradictions maybe
due to communication mismatch
between reader/writer,
misinterpretation etc.

Yet, one big and real contradiction
you may have seen is that I seem
to stand for peace, and yet I
seem to be up for war and fights
as well. I talk of Advaita and
"No Two", and yet I am OK with the
idea of drastic measures with the
enemy if needed.

How does one explain this ?

I dont want to get into any deep
philosophical debating, but will
try to give a small example -

cancer invading your body is a
bad thing, isnt it ? you need to
deal with that, and although the
good and bad cells are all part
of the same body, the bad must be
removed for the good to live. And
understanding that the bad cells
are simply acting out of their
gunas or tendencies, one just
removes them peacefully, without
hatred.

If these cells were all talking
people, one would first try to
reason with them and all that. If
they still dont listen, one just
goes ahead with hard measures.

And no, I dont want a discussion on
this - I am simply clarifying some
of the contradictions you may have
seen in my posts.

The carriage return mid-line
is deliberate. This is the way I
like my line-length, usually. I
find it easier to read.

Even if I were to post under some
fake-id (and I never feel the need,
as I am an honest person), it would
be very easy to detect - my writing
has it's own unqiueness, just like
everyone has their own uniqueness.

....

Freak On A Leash said...

To dark storm:
Conversions can never be stopped ...... If so they would have not even crossed Israel from where christianity originated. Banning conversions is not gonna stop the people who find significance in the teachings of christ from converting to cristianity. If pure torure and murder could not contain it how do u think banning it would...u got the principles of christianity totally wrong. you relate christianity to the west and not to the teachings of Jesus.

Jesus never said anyone to convert people. He said to spread his word.And thats what christians missionaries do. Unlike muslims or ppl of other religon he never said convert them or kill them n burn them. On the other hand he said live for love even if u have to die for it. Banning conversions is not gonna have an impact.

Bigoted christians on the other hand are not christians because Jesus Himself was a person who fought against religious bigotedness of Jews.
No christian stops a christian from converting to any other religion and no western government bans conversion out of fear of losing their religon....I dont understand why u think forcing people to stick to a religon is gonna help in any way. It will only cause people to rebel against the religon all the more......
whatever

siva said...
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siva said...

Freak On A Leash

Read the following link and learn how evil conversion is http://conversionagenda.blogspot.com/2000/11/ethics-of-proselytizing.html

Also Christianity was not spread by jesus loves nonsense. it was spread just like islam, through torture, rape, pillaging and murder. Do you think those coming to this blog are morons like you who have not heard about crusades, inqusition and jihad. If you have anything to say new here, other than balbbering how sweet jesus juice is, say it or go else where and post your nonsense. There are lot of morons out there, like loonie Indian commies, who will buy your crap.

SunnyWarrior said...

Apparently you have an even lesser understanding of Hindu temple architecture than you have of Hinduism. Here is a link about Khajuraho and other temples that you will do well to read before you spout off your absurd "theories".

Hindus of Britain giving money to construct a temple in Russia is not the same as petro dollars. They are all hard earned, after tax, legit money while petro dollars are not so.

You are partially correct about "after taxes", in that most Middle East nations do not have income taxes. So they actually have more money to donate to whatever they want. Yup the "legit" money comes from the "Western Hindu software coolies" while the rest of them that actually earn more money are supposed to roll over and play dead - what was that about "purchasing power"?

Bigot arch bishop Nikon cited, when he wrote a letter asking the Moscow mayor to cancel the permit already given to Hare Krishnas, cults according to you, to build a temple? He did not give any building code violation or any other violation of law you misleading, lying bastard. He said that Lord Krishna, one of the prime deities of Hindu trinity is a devil. Mind you he is not any other Christian who can hide behind ignorance when caught with his pants down. He is the Christian number uno of Russia, the arch bishop of orthododox Russian Christianity, true face of Christianity, living upto the true spirit of Christianity commanded in the “holy” bible. So the concerns of British Hindus are perfectly legitimate and justified. It may not be so for you and other Indian sickularist morons.

Ho hum - let me see how this argument works: According to you, all minority religions in India are supposed to live within the "will of the majority". But when Hindus are a minority as in Britain, Russia and USA and they are "discriminated", a charge that is becoming even more difficult to defend, then they do the same things as the minorities in India do - they "organize" and "defend" their "rights". When Dalit Christians went to the US Congressional Committee, there was a huge uproar among the Hindus. Let us see what the Hindus in Russia did when their temple was denied - they went to *Britain* rather than engage their Russian countrymen. So what is the difference between Hindus when they are a minority and minorities in India? Nothing. Archbishop Nikon was *defending* his country's *cultural heritage* just like the "fundamentalist" Hindus "defend" their "culture" in India. For the Russians, that city is a holy city and the birthplace of Russian nationalism. Why would they want to allow another culture's temple to be built there?

Oh BTW Archbishop Nikon is the head of the Russian Orthodox Church in Ufa and Sterlitamak not the whole of Russia, as you imply.

SunnyWarrior said...

There is a BIG difference between drawinng *any* woman nude versus Goddess Sita nude. So your argument is not valid.

Hmmm. So what exactly are you complaining about - MF Husain did a painting of Goddess Sita in the nude and there was a huge outcry from the Hindus. The Danish paper did a cartoon of Prophet Mohammed and there is a huge outcry from the Muslims. Incidentally, the MF Husain painting also had Hanuman in the nude but there were hardly any protests about that. What am I supposed to infer from this, O Darkstorm? :)

SunnyWarrior said...

What if Shiv sena had suggested that "muslim women should not work with men".

Why should the *Shiv Sena*, a Hindu organization, comment about Muslim women and expect Muslims to obey them?

Also Christianity was not spread by jesus loves nonsense. it was spread just like islam, through torture, rape, pillaging and murder.

I bet all Christians are supposed to learn the fundamentals of their religion from enlightened people like you.

Do you think those coming to this blog are morons like you who have not heard about crusades, inqusition and jihad.

Yes. Your post proves it.

There are lot of morons out there, like loonie Indian commies, who will buy your crap

And a lot of rabid Hindu right-wingers who will buy yours. BTW, since you know so much about "conversion" and "proselytizing", here is a question for you - Which is the first religion that was propagated using proselytizing?

siva said...
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siva said...

SunnyWarrior,

Your link just proves my point that Hindus are not close minded idiots to say sex is bad. It also proves my point that such sculptures are found only in a handful of temples specifically built for such purposes, which ignoramus like you certainly will not know, which is to attain moksha through sex. Recent master of this form of tantric yoga is Baghvan Rajneesh. So these types of temples were built specifically for that purposes. Goddess Sita’s worshipers are not trying to attain mukthi through kama, their path is bakthi and there is a big difference here. By the way which Hindu exactly came to you and said that they are protesting only because Goddess Sita was insulted and they wouldn’t have done this if Lord Hanuman was insulted. One of the protesting parivar member is Bajrang Dal, which was named after Lord Hanuman himself. I guess you didn’t know the meaning other wise you wouldn’t have blabbered the way you did. Do you see now why I asked you to stay away from quoting Hinduism.

The answer to your question, What am I supposed to infer from this is, stay away from misquoting parivar family and Hinduism, learn Hinduism from informed and practicing Hindu or go else where and blabber.

If Hussein is hiding behind freedom of expression when Hindus protested, then why on hell he did not do the same when some crazy Mullahs did the same? Why did he with drew his work when the mullahs protested? I guess he really believed the mullahs threat and scared to death that his head might roll any time if he did not oblige to the mullahs diktats.

What is wrong in "Western Hindu software coolies" trying to make a living by working hard, paying taxes and doing their part to keep the economy growing and creating jobs at the same time? At least they are not trying to ride on somebody else’s back and constantly crying for reservation. By accusing other hard working Indians as coolies, I guess you are one such person. And by the way when did hard work become such a bad thing. Now I see why the Indian commies do not want privatization to happen, that will force them to work for a living.

You have just proved one more time that you are a dishonest, lying dick head. When did I say that minority religions in India are supposed to live within the "will of the majority"? When dalits went to the US congress no body cared. Every body knew it was a stunt orchestrated by the Christian missionary/terrorists. So don’t give me this crap that there was a huge uproar when that happened.

Archbishop Nikon is not defending his cultural heritage; he is just another bigot following the “holy” bible. Just because a city is the birth place of nationalism does not automatically translate into a holy city. And by the way precisely what nationalism are you talking about here? Is it the birth place of czar dynasty or the birth place of Bolsheviks or communist revolution or the recent army coup that toppled Gorbachev? What are you blabbering, you moron? Among this events, what holy activity this bigot Nikon is trying to preserve?

The difference between Hindus of Russia and Islamic barbarians of India is a huge thing that morons like you will never be able to see. Russian Hindus did not try to demolish a huge church and build a temple on its ruins, but precisely that’s what the Islamic barbarians did through out India. Kasi, Ayodhya, Madhura and Somnath were the most glaring examples of the thousands and thousands of Hindu temples being destroyed by this barbaric cult masquerading as religion. Hindus are only trying to get back their original temples, they are not trying to conquer others place of worship like Islamic/Christist barbarians. This is the BIG DIFFERENCE you dick head.

On your last post, you just backed up my point that there are illiterate morons like you who don’t know about crusades, inquisition and jihad. Let me also add to the list of noble, holy activities of Christians in the past, you moron might have never heard of - ethnic cleansing of native north Americans, Aztecs, Mayans and other native south Americans. Hunting down of Aborigines of Australia, I mean literal hunting down of Aborigines. White Christians literally went in horses with their guns for hunting of Aborigines as if they were animals. Slavery and mass murder of native black Africans. Jewish holocaust by Christian Germans (current pope is an official Nazi catholic ministerial student under Hitler), ethnic cleansing of north Africans by French and Belgian white Christians, most famously in Algeria and last but not least, an estimated 30 million Hindus killed by white English Christians through their systematic dismantling of Indian agriculture and plundering of crops.

I thank you for conferring me with the title rabid Hindu right-winger. At least I am not a dishonest, illiterate and ill informed moron like you.

habc said...

Freak Prasad Yadav,

Israel stopped all Christian Proselytizing/conversion activities.

An agreement was signed with 70+ major evangelical/Catholics/Protestants etc. making sure that they will NOT NOW/EVER proselytize/convert on Israeli soil.

NA NA Na NA NA.

Also that Historian I had mentioned last time Martin van Creveld - was Israeli not French get it - 3 million Israelis know more about nation building than 1 billion Indians.

By the way I noticed that you stopped getting verbal diarrhoea - started using paragraphs. good raja beta - now we will cure you of your other diseases.

DarkStorm said...

Sunny Gay Wimp dived into the sea of toxicity --
>>
Western Hindu software coolies
===

Well, seems you are a third grade Jehadi from some madrassa by some drains in Mumbai.
And shows your racism.. Werent you accusing me of being a bigot for being anti-gay.

Practice what you preach, if you want to be taken seriously, lil gay kid. How bout a cartoon of mohamed and sunny gay wimp in a "gay" moment ;-)


Freak on a leash --

Well, conversions , if by free will, its ok. Tomo if someone wants to convert to xyz religion on his own free will, its fine.

But not by blackmail(hey, jesus sent some rice and medicine for you, kiss the cross and we give it to you, else, burn in hell) or by sword ( the ILKS of sunnyGayWimp)

Freak, why dont you talk about that. There are people who convert from other faiths to Hinduism on their own free will. ( Not to be confused with re-conversions in the tribal areas ). NObody forces them, blackmails them, threatens them. These are very few in number though. Why doesnt christism take the same route (i have no hopes from jehadis). let people be free to decide.
anyway, siva has given you a good enough answer. Read the links he posted.

DarkStorm said...

sunny Wimp,

wrongly quoted. I made no such comment that you attribute to me. I wish you had enough money to buy some brains (if they were on sale). We would be glad to contribute 2 cents each for your cause.

>>>
There is a BIG difference between drawinng *any* woman nude versus Goddess Sita nude. So your argument is not valid.
=====


Hello guys, we have a new troll here. SunnyGayWimp. Welcome ;-)

Also, the protest was about *both* painting Hanuman and Sita nude, if you recall. But your lack of grey matter shows through.

DarkStorm said...

Siva, half an hour was too much time you gave this gay Jehadi. Should have told him to not search google. :-))

I wish the gay Wimp googles for his brains, and also the inquisition and jehad.

>>>
What am I supposed to infer from this, O Darkstorm? :)
=====

Sunny Gay Wimp.. Infer nothing. Please dont waste your grey cells, we cant have any more of your kiddish stuff here.
By the way, how old are you? Like fourteen. :-)

virat0 said...

Jesus never said anyone to convert people. He said to spread his word.And thats what christians missionaries do.

The missionaries use organized methods to extinct the words, so that whatever they say would conform to jesus words. In my opinion, everybody in india would have read Jesus but for these frauds. These frauds use most devious means in organized way to destroy your memory, experiences through slander, financial power and western power. They say they are merely informing about words.

iamfordemocracy said...

Following is the link to an Indian Express news about Husain paintings. This is PTI item. In the morning, the headline said something about painting of 'Nude God'. It is a blasphemous headline. Some of these PTI guys specialise in that.

The headline is changed now. Even in the new title, an adjective 'obscene' is used for Bharatmata.

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=62488

Shekhar Gupta may be thinking Bharatmata is obsecene, and he might be getting foreign 'allowances' for such mischeious stand. Isn't it time someone took this up?

IE needs to be take for task for the blasphemy.

siva said...

Let me go back to that dalit hearing one more time. That “hearing” was a freak show run, participated and attended by Jesus freaks. That committee chairman, one congressman from Pennsylvania was himself a Jesus freak, a Christian lunatic minister turned politician. The “dalit” who led the Indian Jesus freaks was Kanchan Illiajah or whatever, who once wrote a book titled “Why I am not a Hindu”. Just imagine what kind of a freak show these Jesus freaks would have put up.

Let us apply this code coolie analysis in other areas and see how this moron would conclude. According to this moron I guess all the brilliant Indian pharmaceutical scientists and companies like Ranbaxy which brought down the price of AIDS drugs by 10 folds in just two years are drug coolies, brilliant DRDO rocket scientists are flight coolies. All the Hindu management gurus like CK Prahalad and Venkat are what, management coolies. Steel tycoon Lakshmi Mittal is a steel coolie I guess, who also happened to be the third richest coolie in the world.

I guess this moron is a paki jehadi barbarian or Indian commie or a lunatic Jesus freak who cannot stomach the success of India and Hindus.

bodhi dharma said...

I guess this moron is a paki jehadi barbarian or Indian commie or a lunatic Jesus freak who cannot stomach the success of India and Hindus

well said, siva. Jehadi barbarians are more direct in their 'agenda'- Finish off their enemies physically.

Missionary terrorists and Marxist goons infiltrate and breed in the media, they abuse one's culture, make slaves and 'cabbages' out of the indigenous people using comb,rice,milk-powder and 'convert' them into an anti-national without one's knowledge.
We have enuff of these garbage militants - John Dayal, Valson Thampus, Biju Mathews, Brindas etc. They are venemous and jeolous and scary of any practicing Hindu getting educated(one convert less!). So naturally they cant stand when Hindus get lucrative jobs or when India grows with her spiritual wonder and intellectual dynamism.

DarkStorm said...

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So naturally they cant stand when Hindus get lucrative jobs
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Very true, Bodhi Dharma.

How very often we hear the word "cybercoolies" for Indian software engineers.

I have even seen leftist writers use such abuse in articles and books. Well, they believe in the dignity of labour, dont they. Or so we thought. Or they want us to think that way. Well, racist marxists and mullahs. You need to actually go to south-asian chat rooms to see the venom spewed by mullahs (even those living in India) against Indian Hindu software engineers. (it is blindly presumed that all software engineers are Hindus). Guess thats where marxists pick up their vocabulary from.. :-)

marxists really get jealous when they see Indians getting educated and make money or not believe in their marxist stuff. actually, they would rather want them to be uneducated and believe in caste and inequality, because thats their reason d'etre. If people prosper, nobody would listen to their talk.

SunnyWarrior said...

My original point was that the Muslim fundamentalists have protested the caricature of Prophet Mohammed in the same way the Hindu fundamentalists have protested the nude paintings of MF Husain of Goddess Sita and Lord Hanuman. I also noted that erotic sculptures have been a part of Hindu culture and why were the Hindus protesting? You came back with an answer that "only temples specifically built for such purposes have such sculptures". I pointed to a link by a Hindu historian proving otherwise, here is a quote: Although Khajuraho is most famous for these sculptures, most Indian temples have them in one form or another. Belur, Halebidu, Somanathupura, and Nugguhalli temples of the Hoysala period have many such beautiful sculptures. The Badami and Banashankari temples of the Chalukya times, and the Vijayanagar temples of Bhatkal, Lepakshi and Hampi have these too. The Meenakshi temple of Madurai and Veeraranarayan temple of Gadag has erotic sculptures on their Gopuram. Ancient Indians thought that the appropriate use of sex was an art. Perhaps that's why they called pleasure girls as artists.

....which is to attain moksha through sex. Recent master of this form of tantric yoga is Baghvan Rajneesh

Which is why he was kicked out of the US - sexual orgies and tax evasion. This is the view of most Americans regarding Hinduism. Any wonder Hinduism doesn't get the "respect" it deserves? And you wonder why Archbishop Nikon does not want a Hindu temple in Moscow. As for which Russian nationalism, you will have to Google that for yourself. After all you commented about Archbishop Nikon's position before ever figuring out why he was opposing the building of the temple. Surely, since you are very "hard working", you can Google, can't you?

Why I refer to ISKCON as a "cult": According to Hinduism Today, October 1998

Hindus need to educate themselves about organizations, and especially distinguish in their minds those, such as ISKCON, the Brahma Kumaris and TM, who have completely forsaken the Hindu fold to pursue an independent path.

- Hinduism Today, October 1998


If Hussein is hiding behind freedom of expression....

Since your favorite right-wing regional language newspaper did not print the painter's views, you may want to read that "secular-leftist" ELM magazine Frontline for the actual quote: When contacted over his cell phone by Frontline, Husain sounded weary but philosophical. "It is better for me not to say anything," he said. When it was pointed out that he had given the daily a statement, he said: "Yes, I have offered to face an agni pariksha. I have made the suggestion earlier." His suggestion envisages the setting up of a committee of three persons - an art critic, a lawyer and a representative of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad - which could go through his entire collection. Husain said that he was prepared to destroy immediately any work that the committee found objectionable.

This suggestion seems to be a bigger concession to the bunch of his critics when compared to the offer he made during the course of an interview he gave Frontline in the wake of the destruction of his paintings by Bajrang Dal activists in Ahmedabad in October 1996 (Frontline, November 15, 1996). Husain had then suggested that a panel of national and international experts, including scholars, historians and "people who are experts in this", could pronounce a judgment on whether his paintings were objectionable. "If it is possible that such a panel... finds my paintings objectionable, I will be the first person to light a bonfire and burn everything," he said.


Also from the same article IN contrast to its prompt action vis-a-vis the attack on Husain's apartment, the police, according to news reports, merely stood by and watched when on April 26, about 100 Shiv Sainiks barged into Centaur Hotel in Mumbai and disrupted a concert by Pakistani ghazal singer Ghulam Ali Khan. According to these reports, police personnel were present both inside the hall where the concert was being held and outside the hotel.

The miscreants grabbed the mike and shouted anti-Pakistan slogans and told the audience that they would not allow any Pakistani singer to perform in India because no Indian singer was welcomed in Pakistan. They then sang "Jai jai Maharashtra majha" (Hail Maharashtra).


What was that you were saying about Hindu response being different from Muslim response? Here is Bal Thackeray: Bal Thackeray said: "If Husain can step into Hindustan, what is wrong if we enter his house?"

"Peaceful nature of protests", my ass.

There is no difference between Hindu fundamentalists protesting the nude paintings of Goddess Sita and the Muslim fundamentalists protesting the cartoons of Prophet Mohammed. Both indulged in violent behavior threatening life and property.

Well, seems you are a third grade Jehadi from some madrassa by some drains in Mumbai.
And shows your racism.. Werent you accusing me of being a bigot for being anti-gay.

Practice what you preach, if you want to be taken seriously, lil gay kid. How bout a cartoon of mohamed and sunny gay wimp in a "gay" moment ;-)


You don't like it when you are on the receiving end, eh? With all due "respect", you were the first one to call me "names". My first post merely pointed out some inconvenient facts that had you, Siva and a few others frothing at their mouths. Here is a quote from your reply (point 3) ..and the prime example given is Khajuraho (like our dear old dumb gay sunnyWimp did!!). If "dumb" and "SunnyWimp" did not refer to me, I do understand, especially if you have decided to give your private parts some endearing names. But surely that is best left to your imagination and, shall we say, your "hands" :) After all, according to Siva the true "practicing Hindu", you might even receive your Moksha this way and please feel free to leave "trolls" like me out of such private conversations.

siva said...

Sunny moron,

Again you are just proving my point, of the thousands of temples in India there are only a very few ones that has this sculptures, its not that they are bad as such. Of course you bigots and close minded primitive idiots don’t realize that. Again these sculptures are not those of Goddess Sita and there are NOT considered as deities. They are not worshipped. They are not inside the sanctum sanctorum of the temples either. So the Hindus protesting the Goddess Sita being depicted poorly by a bigot artist are right on target.

There is a big difference between erotic sculptures being part of a culture and depicting a Goddess in poor taste. I guess you will never see this point, because this has been pointed out to you so many times, but you are still parroting the same old commie logic.

Baghvan Rajneesh was not deported for any of the reason you fabricated, he was deported because close minded bigots like you did not understand his teachings and on top of that he called the then US president as an idiot. The official reason for his deportation was some visa procedural error, which can be found in any one of the visitors if the host govt. is determined to find one.

You and the arch bishop are both bigots who don’t understand other religion. In Hinduism there are different path to mukthi and Hare Krishnas path is Bakthi. Without even knowing this you jump to conclusion and are judging them as cults. I did read his letter he wrote to the Moscow mayor and In that he did say that Lord Krishna is a devil, there is no need for me to find out about the Russian nationalism, which was beside the point here. If people did not come into contact with bigots like you, then Hinduism’s image will be just fine.

Why should a Hindu deity’s picture be put to a debate by a barbaric Muslim. Let him draw a picture of Mahamad raping the nine year old “wife” of his and put that for debate. Hindus and Sangh parivar wouldn’t care less.

Your first post did not have any inconvenient facts you self serving too smart by half moron. It was full of bull shit and had been thoroughly repudiated.

From your last post I see that you are an “intelligent” person who believe every truth is contained in one single book. But that may not be so for others and Hindus are masters of different paths to God. Its only people like you who always see wrong in other peoples’ culture and way of life. If you don’t find one then you will conveniently fabricate one. You’re thinking that there cannot be oneness with God through tantric yoga just proves my point that you are a one book wonder, idiot of the highest order. You should be one of those confused catholic barbarians who preach that sex is sin, masturbation is sin. The world has moved so far ahead of those primitive thinking, I guess you will never grow out of 2nd century bce.

May be you should also read my post properly before you reply, I never claimed to be a practicing Hindu. I just told you to learn Hinduism from one; I never claimed it was me. And no body here offered you anything so that you can refuse and asked to be left alone. Don’t think so much of yourself.

SunnyWarrior said...

Again you are just proving my point, of the thousands of temples in India there are only a very few ones that has this sculptures, its not that they are bad as such

I provided a link with a Hindu expert who disagrees with your "knowledge". Read it, that is, if you really know how to read. Never ever made a judgemental issue of the sculptures - whether they are "good" or "bad".

Since your "software coolie" brain cannot get it, let me explain it for you. Prophet Mohammed - revered person for Muslims. Goddess Sita - revered person for Hindus. MF Husain paints Goddess Sita in nude - Hindu fundamentalists cry blasphemy, destroy paintings. Secular/Christian cartoonists draw Prophet Mohammed - Muslim fundamentalists cry blasphemy, ransack Danish embassy. Get it both sides loss of life and property. No difference between Hindu and Muslim fundamentalists. Like I said, only "software coolies" do not get the parallels. Just get a little more educated, develop your own brain, think for yourself rather than simply parrotting what your khakhi handlers tell you.

There is a big difference between erotic sculptures being part of a culture and depicting a Goddess in poor taste.

Except it was erotic sculptures in most temples. Also there is a big difference between a cartoon of Prophet Mohammed and an actual painting. The real objection appears to be your point Why should a Hindu deity’s picture be put to a debate by a barbaric Muslim. In other words, can a person from one or no religion make a sculpture, painting
of a God of a different religion. Ancient Indian art during the Mughal period shows what happened when Hindu and Muslim artists got together - beautiful paintings and sculptures.

Baghvan Rajneesh was not deported for any of the reason you fabricated, he was deported because close minded bigots like you did not understand his teachings and on top of that he called the then US president as an idiot. The official reason for his deportation was some visa procedural error, which can be found in any one of the visitors if the host govt. is determined to find one.

Which is probably why his followers were indicted for poisoning a town and plotting to kill a US Attorney General. I do admit an error - the tax fraud was committed against India, not US, which is why he fled to the US.

Without even knowing this you jump to conclusion and are judging them as cults

Read my post - they are a cult according to Hinduism Today, not because of the Archbishop's views.

May be you should also read my post properly before you reply, I never claimed to be a practicing Hindu

Evidently not, you are quite rusty it appears, although, you like to disillusion yourself with such fantasies or do you consider yourself an "informed" Hindu? (ref: See your earlier post)

And no body here offered you anything so that you can refuse and asked to be left alone. Don’t think so much of yourself

Don't know what this refers to...

habc said...

Sunny Daaaahling

Do read some of my posts too - Hamse Panga Lo Na!

You keep spouting the same equal-equal crap - I clearly proved why the equal equal crap was wrong

In any case you guys fart as much as you want - The west and Russia (your mai-baaps) now know who is worth what dear) - you can shout till you are blue in the face.

Simple fact is that you fundamentally have to be an idiot with a very high opinion of himself to compare people who distribute tin trishuls with people who are trying to steal nukes.

There is no equal - equal get it - Sorry I already know you are never going to get it - At least BGM was an intellectually Honest opponent and I respect him for that - you are beneath contempt.- I piss on Marx and Lenin and Mao.

bodhi dharma said...

Archbishop Nikon was *defending* his country's *cultural heritage* just like the "fundamentalist" Hindus "defend" their "culture" in India.


See the level of sunday-school madrasa education of this fanatic? When it comes to foreign cults suppressing the Indian minorities, they are Archbishop, saint etc. But see how he describes Hindus - ''Hindu fundementalists''. The original militant who abused hindus and their dieties is - 'Archbishop' Nikon!!! Strange are these Christist militia men! Do you remember the assassin of a nun- Sr Abhaya? Is he a holy priest or a murderer? Numerous Osamas are there in your church, whom you treat as saints. Go to any semen-ary, you may experience too

For the Russians, that city is a holy city and the birthplace of Russian nationalism. Why would they want to allow another culture's temple to be built there?
By this christist moron's logic,India is holy for Hindus and why would Indians allow Churches in their cities and in some cases near temples like Tirupati, Sabarimala? Indian Christianity (as well as NRI ones) are known intolerant cults who dont even mind to plagiarize anything and everything from Hinduism, Budhism etc. Just look at the mess (miltancy,sex,rape,murders etc) in Kerala, North-east where they multiply like pigs and control the states ..then you'll understand it's a waste of time debating with these incapacitated souls.

siva said...

Sunny, the confused lying bastard,

The link you provided, Kamat’s web site is not one of a Hindu expert. He is just another software programmer, “software coolie” according to your enlightened analysis. Check out who you are quoting before you do so, dick head.

What, you did not make any judgment, go back and read your first post where you asked why Hindus don’t accept the existence of erotic sculptures? What was that, wasn’t that a judgment? Apparently you don’t even know what you are posting, so you are in no position to read anything for me.

Thank you for going back to your “book” and discovering that I am a “software coolie”, but the problem is I am not, Einstein

All along you are making my point, but your skewered brain makes one ass of analysis of the same point. Hindus destroyed the paintings, they did not go and ransack a Mosque just because the bigot is a Muslim. Mussalamans burnt down the embassy, what does an embassy got to do with a newspaper printing something. This shows that you are as dumb as a mussalman or a Jehadi.

Fuck you ass hole. You are a chronic liar. Erotic sculptures are NOT found in most temples, even the web site you sited gave only handful of examples. Even if the sculptures are found in most temples, they are not bad as such. I am only saying this to point out the misinformation bigots like you spread.

My point is NOT “Why should a Hindu deity’s picture be put to a debate by a barbaric Muslim”, but “Why should an OBSENE Hindu deity’s picture be put to a debate by a barbaric Muslim. You don’t know how to read yourself and analyze properly, but you are offering your help to enlighten me. Yuk, thanks, but no thanks.

In the US they say even a paper weight can be indicted. It doesn’t prove anything. Only a conviction proves a crime was committed. I guess you didn’t know the difference between a person being indicted and convicted.

Hinduism today did not say they are cults moron, even if they said so what authority does they have to judge other Hindu paths. Hare Krishna is as much Hindu as any other Saivite. Only a moron, with his brains fell of when getting banged by a catholic minister like you, will say so.

Of course I never claimed to be practicing Hindu or for that matter fully informed Hindu. But I can properly read, analyze and write unlike you dick head.

If you don’t know what something I wrote refers to, go back and read your own post. I guess you should start there first, read what you write and understand it first before you offer your help to others.

siva said...

Explain this you dishonest sunny moron,

"Hussain withdraws `Meenaxi'
MUMBAI, APR 16 (PTI)
A day after some Muslim organisations took objections to one of the songs in the M F Hussain's recent film `Meenaxi - A Tale of Three Cities', the eminent artiste today ordered for immediate withdrawal of the film from public shows in the entire country.

"I have told my sole distributor Yash Chopra to withdraw the film from public shows from all over the country with immediate effect," Hussain told PTI here.

"Since I have not sold the film, directed and produced by me, to anyone, including Chopra, I would like to stop screening of the the film," he said.

When asked for the reason behind it, Hussain said "I have not made the film to make money nor have I sold it to anyone. Therefore, I NEED NOT GIVE ANY REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL of the screening of the film to public." Terming the song `Noorun-ala-Noor' of the film, starring Tabu in the lead role, as "blasphemous", the All India Ulema Council had yesterday demanded an immediate ban on it.

"The song, picturised on Tabu, contains words which are directly lifted from the text of the Quran," the organisation, supported among others by Milli Council, All India Muslim Council, Raza Academy, Jamiat-Ul-Ulema-E-Hind and Jamat-e-Islami, said, adding "In Quran, the words are used to define the persona of Prophet but in Hussain's film, it is being use to depict the physical beauty of the heroine." THE SONG HAS HURT THE SENTIMENTS OF THE MUSLIMS, they claimed."

SunnyWarrior said...

habc:

You keep spouting the same equal-equal crap - I clearly proved why the equal equal crap was wrong

No you did not. You took one specific instance of a protest by Hindus in the West and equated it to protests in the streets of Syria and Lebanon

A far better comparison is what the Hindu fundamentalists did "protesting" MF Husain's paintings or the burning of the Coke plant in "protest" of denial of US Visa to Modi. So yes, the fundamentalists are the same.

I piss on Marx and Lenin and Mao

Don't hold it in for too long, after all, "pissing" is all you can do very well.

bd-

By this christist moron's logic,India is holy for Hindus and why would Indians allow Churches in their cities and in some cases near temples like Tirupati, Sabarimala?

First India is not a city. But yes, what you stated has been advocated by people on this blog. The "church" near Sabarimala temple was moved to another place. AFAIK, there are no churches near the temple in Tirupati.

"moron" siva -

What, you did not make any judgment, go back and read your first post where you asked why Hindus don’t accept the existence of erotic sculptures?

Read my first post again and the last post - I accuse the Hindu "fundamentalists" of not accepting that ancient Hinduism did have a erotic scultptures. The "judgement" was on the Hindu "fundamentalists" NOT the sculptures.

Hindus destroyed the paintings, they did not go and ransack a Mosque just because the bigot is a Muslim. Mussalamans burnt down the embassy, what does an embassy got to do with a newspaper printing something. This shows that you are as dumb as a mussalman or a Jehadi.

The paintings were not exactly lying in the street corner - the Hindu "fundamentalists" ransacked Husain's house and the gallery - read the post quoting the article, above. The "Muslim fundamentalists" ransacked and burned the Danish embassy in Syria because it was a Danish newspaper. The reaction from both "fundamentalists" is the same and a bit over the top, don't you think?

Why should an OBSENE Hindu deity’s picture be put to a debate by a barbaric Muslim

Actually ancient Hinduism did not consider "nude" as "obscene". They did not portray a "nude" Goddess Sita possibly because of reverence. So this is kind of a fair question. But that was the point of the whole "freedom of expression" sentiment. When was the last time you saw a Hindu paint a picture of any Goddess in the nude? When was the last time the Prophet Muhammad was caricatured or even painted by a Muslim? So there exists a sort of "censorship" among the painters when representing deities/figures from their own religion.

In the US they say even a paper weight can be indicted. It doesn’t prove anything. Only a conviction proves a crime was committed. I guess you didn’t know the difference between a person being indicted and convicted.

There is a difference, but an indictment implies there is substantial evidence of wrongdoing to bring a case to trial. Without an indictment, there is no trial and no conviction. If they have not been convicted, why have they been deported to the US and are in US jails?

Hinduism today did not say they are cults moron, even if they said so what authority does they have to judge other Hindu paths.

I am not sure about the "authority", because Hinduism does not have a central "authority". According to Hinduism Today, they are not even Hindus which means they are some pseudo-Hindu cults.

Of course I never claimed to be practicing Hindu or for that matter fully informed Hindu. But I can properly read, analyze and write unlike you dick head.

I am sure this is a rhetorical statement. Keep repeating it and you might even believe it eventually, just like all your brainwashed fundamentalist brethren.

PS: The older Kamat and his wife (historian) are not "software coolies".

SunnyWarrior said...

MF Husain is eccentric but has been consistent about his artistic freedom.

Mumbai, Apr 22 (IANS): Trust M.F. Husain. After withdrawing his film "Meenaxi" following protests from some Muslim groups, he is now planning to release it again.

In an interview with IANS, Husain said the controversy - "a small misunderstanding" - had been sorted out.
....
"The issue has been sorted out and settled. Whenever this movie is released again, whether it is DVD, satellite or overseas, there will be no alteration in the song. We have no plans to remove that song from the movie - it stays," he says

siva said...

My point is that you did make a judgment, whether it is on the sculptures or the Hindus. Again you are twisting the truth here, Hindus are not objecting to any of the nude sculptures and any other nude paintings this Hussein bigot may have drawn. They are objecting to the Goddess Sita being depicted poorly. Get the point, don’t keeping confusing two different issues.

Hindus ransacked Hussein’s house and the gallery - precisely my point. They did not confuse themselves, like you and ransack Hussein’s neighbor’s house or some mosque where he might go and do the ass sniffing five times a day. But the dumb Mussalman’s ransacked the embassy, even though the embassy did not print the actual cartoon nor has any control over the media that printed them. This is called freedom of expression; learn what it means before you want to preach it.

Of course Hindus do not consider nude as obscene, I know that and also told so. Don’t parrot what I said back to me. I don’t know the reason the Europeans drew the barbaric Mohammed with a bomb shaped turban, may be because they blow themselves up so frequently, so they can go to Allah’s whorehouse. What does freedom of religion got to do with painting other people’s deities in an obscene manner? If he wants to break some barrier, right place for one person is to start at his own house or his own barrier. This bigot Hussein should have painted the barbaric Muhammad raping his nine year old “wife”, or any other act of barbarism. This is what a honest and a genuine artist or just a normal human being would do, they won’t try to break somebody else’s barrier particularly when that person doesn’t see any barrier to break in the first place.

Let me also apply this logic in different scenario. There is a painter living next door to your house. He sees that no body in the world has drawn any of their own mother in nude. He decides to do something about it and break the barrier. They he comes up with a brilliant idea and paints your mother in nude and puts up the painting for auction, even though he has a very beautiful mother. I hope you would still be able to support his freedom of expression, if you don’t, stop preaching your farcical freedom of expression crap when you don’t want to practice it your self.

If substantial evidence existed and the person was indicted, then why weren’t they convicted for the alleged crime they committed for which they were indicted in the first place? I already gave the reason for deportation, go back and read it. Who is in the US jail and for what crime? Jay walking. Give me the name and exact crime for which those particular person was convicted, other wise stop lying.

According to Hinduism Today, they are not even Hindus which means they are some pseudo-Hindu cults – this is your judgment and which is as usual wrong, not Hinduism today’s.

Don’t be sure of something you don’t know. I may be brainwashed or may be not – but the same point can be said of you as well. Also go back and see how many lies and nonsense you have repeated.

The link you provided did take me to the “software coolies” web site, don’t confuse daddy Kamat, mother Kamat, his wife, aunts, uncles and neighbors with lil Kamat, who owns this web site. But I understand it is hard for brainless morons like you to do so. Besides this Kamat moron is another dick head like you who believes in the white man’s Aryan Invasion turned Migration that is waiting to be renamed again as Tourism fantasy. Now I see where he comes from and what kind of nonsense he believes in. Since I found this out then anything he says about Hinduism, if not backed up by a Hindu guru’s interpretation, is invalid.

siva said...

First India is not a city. But yes, what you stated has been advocated by people on this blog. The "church" near Sabarimala temple was moved to another place. AFAIK, there are no churches near the temple in Tirupati.

If Russians can decide for themselves and stop a temple from being built in a city because they consider the city to be holy, then Hindus can also decide for themselves and clear the country of all the barbaric cult's places of garbage, becasue Hindus consider the whole of Bharath as holy. Who are you to decide for Hindus what area they can consider as holy? Isn't this is already practiced in S Arabia.

siva said...

of the Coke plant in "protest" of denial of US Visa to Modi

Show me proof thru a link.

SunnyWarrior said...

They are objecting to the Goddess Sita being depicted poorly. Get the point, don’t keeping confusing two different issues.

They are not two different issues if you know what the term freedom of speech means. Do they have the right to protest? Yes. But they do not have the right to destroy the paintings or property. In this respect, there is no difference between the "fundamentalists". Or are you supporting the decision of the fundamentalists to destroy property and the paintings?

Hindus ransacked Hussein’s house and the gallery - precisely my point...But the dumb Mussalman’s ransacked the embassy, even though the embassy did not print the actual cartoon nor has any control over the media that printed them. This is called freedom of expression; learn what it means before you want to preach it.

So in your view if the Mussalman's had destroyed the offices of the Danish newspaper, it would be OK? What Danish newspaper has offices in Syria? None - which is why they burned the Danish flags and Danish embassy. According to your theory then why did the Hindu fundamentalists burn down the factory for denial of US Visa to Modi? Shouldn't they have burned down the US Consulate? Ha Ha Ha you are too funny.

If he wants to break some barrier, right place for one person is to start at his own house or his own barrier.

An artist has a choice to paint whatever he wants.

There is a painter living next door to your house. He sees that no body in the world has drawn any of their own mother in nude. He decides to do something about it and break the barrier. They he comes up with a brilliant idea and paints your mother in nude and puts up the painting for auction, even though he has a very beautiful mother. I hope you would still be able to support his freedom of expression...

Your analogy is poor - the question here is about a Hindu Goddess; apart from the fact that if the painter were living next to your momma and paints your momma nude, then she obviously posed for it.

If substantial evidence existed and the person was indicted, then why weren’t they convicted for the alleged crime they committed for which they were indicted in the first place?

Read my post again carefully. They were convicted of the crime to kill a deputy DA in Oregon - get it? Google it you hardly working software coolie.

If Russians can decide for themselves and stop a temple from being built in a city because they consider the city to be holy, then Hindus can also decide for themselves and clear the country of all the barbaric cult's places of garbage, becasue Hindus consider the whole of Bharath as holy.

Yes, the Indians can, but it is not upto you or this blog, isn't it? It needs to be voted upon after all India is democratic and a republic, to boot. Saudi Arabia is not. Also consider what you are saying - you want India to be a "great" country like Saudi Arabia? Gimme a break.

Since I found this out then anything he says about Hinduism, if not backed up by a Hindu guru’s interpretation, is invalid.

Ha Ha Ha....I see reason is alive and well among the Hindu fundamentalists - the Aryan Invasion Theory is the gold standard by which to judge if a person is Hindu or not.

Violent Protests against denial of U S Visa to Modi

siva said...

Sunny moron,

I am getting sick of your pathetic low life arguments, who are you – a fourteen year old juvenile, if not I pity you.

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They are not two different issues if you know what the term freedom of speech means. Do they have the right to protest? Yes.
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The two different issues you said originally and I replied to earlier was between nude sculptures in the ancient Hindu society and the current painting depicting Goddess Sita poorly. The original comparison was not between the subsequent reactions. Basic rule for a debate or discussion or argument is that the persons involved should be honest. This above twisting of discussion shows that you are not.

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But they do not have the right to destroy the paintings or property. In this respect, there is no difference between the "fundamentalists". Or are you supporting the decision of the fundamentalists to destroy property and the paintings?
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If who ever did that did not apologize and withdraw that piece of garbage themselves, yes I do and if the gallery that displays that garbage becomes collateral damage, too bad. Again remember we are talking about a Hindu deity here, not just any other sculpture or painting… don’t get confused again, I guess you cannot chew gum and walk at the same time.

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So in your view if the Mussalman's had destroyed the offices of the Danish newspaper, it would be OK? What Danish newspaper has offices in Syria? None - which is why they burned the Danish flags and Danish embassy. According to your theory then why did the Hindu fundamentalists burn down the factory for denial of US Visa to Modi? Shouldn't they have burned down the US Consulate? Ha Ha Ha you are too funny.
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Would it be ok for the mussalman to destroy the Danish newspaper office, I don’t know, but at least their target would be right. The reason Bajrag Dal activists targeted the Pepsi plant goes back a long way, its not just Modi’s visa denial, in fact it could have been the last straw. You have to follow the news properly to get a perspective on this issue. By the way you yourself have pointed out that the Hindus did not target the embassy, again you, like the dumb Musaalmans, can’t think straight. You make the other persons point but with your skewered brain make one ass of an analysis and conclude differently. I may be funny, but you are a dumb clown, dick head.

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An artist has a choice to paint whatever he wants.
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Nobody, let alone an artist, has that choice. It is baloney if one says so. If a country is a free country it does not mean that everybody has right to do what ever they want. Free people should also show restrain and be responsible to the society they live in. Just because people are free it does not mean they can demean others, steal, rape and murder as they wish. Your point is exactly like that bastard Rumsfeld’s saying that people are free to do whatever they want. He said this when he did stop large scale looting in Iraq.

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Your analogy is poor - the question here is about a Hindu Goddess; apart from the fact that if the painter were living next to your momma and paints your momma nude, then she obviously posed for it.
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My analogy is not poor; it is your analysis that is stupid… of course the question is a Hindu Goddess, that is my point, but yours is not that, yours is freedom of expression garbage. I guess by now you are confused too much and don’t realize what you are saying…. and Goddess Sita did not pose nude to that bigot either, you dumb fuck… will you ever think straight and see the point I am making… I won’t hold my breath.

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Which is probably why his followers were indicted for poisoning a town and plotting to kill a US Attorney General
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This is what you said. You did not say either Oregon, deputy DA, or conviction. I guess I am wasting my time with an obsessive compulsive liar and misinformer who is also dishonest, dumb and have no sense of shame for the garbage he is peddling. By the way if you say hardly working then it means I am not working hard, exact opposite of what you are trying to say, dick head…. What, I have to give you English lessons now?

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Yes, the Indians can, but it is not upto you or this blog, isn't it? It needs to be voted upon after all India is democratic and a republic, to boot. Saudi Arabia is not. Also consider what you are saying - you want India to be a "great" country like Saudi Arabia? Gimme a break.
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People coming to this blog have every right, just like that bigot arch bishop, to ask for such bans. If I agree with your point, at least for argument sake, Russia is also a democracy now, this may be news to you, and similarly the bigot bishop does not have any right either. I perfectly realize what I am saying…. I am comparing your analysis of holy city crap with holy country S Arabia. You are saying something and then after couple of posts, you turn around and condemn the same as if I said it first. I guess you don’t have any brains all together.

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Ha Ha Ha....I see reason is alive and well among the Hindu fundamentalists - the Aryan Invasion Theory is the gold standard by which to judge if a person is Hindu or not
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No AIT is not the standard to judge whether a person is a Hindu or not, but it is one of the standards whether that person in an honest, impartial and informed human being. He need not be a Hindu himself.