Thursday, February 16, 2006

Muslims in the Defence forces

feb 16th

i have commented before about how there are no kerala christists in the armed forces. they are happy to let hindus die protecting the country. they, on the other hand, killed off the kottayam-sabarimala railway line because "the line would require take-over of christist property, and christists get nothing from it". i paraphrase, but that's pretty much what oommen chandy's christist government said. the sabarimala link would be primarily of benefit to hindu pilgrims. i posted this material on this blog some time ago.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: sri
Date: Feb 13, 2006 11:39 PM
Subject: Muslims in the Defence forces
To: Rajeev Srinivasan < rajeev.srinivasan@gmail.com>

Rajeev, the Indian army apparently has been asked about the number/position of muslims in its fold.

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=87764

and the Army has declined to provide such a data.

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=87864

But the worst part is that the airforce and navy have given the required data. Sounds scary.


16 comments:

Kalyani said...

In this headcount charade, a lot of minusters keep thundering "Army has no religion...."

I am thoroughly confused.christists , muslims and politicians are rabidly *creedish* practising, *converting- Hindu exterminating* christism,islam and sickularismleftism respectively.

And *layingdownlives* by living under excruciatingly stressful conditions and alacritously shedding their own blood for the incorrigibly irredeemably diabolical parasites around is Hindus '(in Army)unarticulated religion..isn't it?

Let us not brag army is autonomous blahblah.Let no callous goondaist politician be their mouthpiece.If only, the threat of courtmartialling,disciplinary dastardly(lol) measures are removed and each Hindu is asked to spell His aspirations ,I include the Army's Family too...if only all of them are thoroughly "awakened and enlightened" to the truth(na na ,not by ndtv crew..)......if only....if only....

Veer Savarkar's prophetic "Hinduise India ,Hinduise the Military" is ever relevant.

Except Narendra Modi and Rajnath Singh,how about aaalll the minoritiesworshipping politicians and bigshots being encircled and protected by commandos constituted exclusively of muslims alone?No need for any training....ain't they all ssssssso good and trustworthy?In fact they never hesitate to shed blood or kill.What better way of satisfying both bukhariimamsmullahs and politicians??

Non Carborundum said...

Kalyani,
Thats brilliant! Lets see how many of these secular types can trust their own lives in muslim hands.

Kalyani said...

Non Carborundum ,

God Bless You!I mean it.I feel so starved of kindred minds' compliments and assents.

Read my earlier comments in the (Blessed)earthquake in paki section,regarding the "treatment" given to our Army.

Also read a copy of a letter written by an American Army Personnel's relative posted in ji...watch link.

Kalyani said...

Non Carborundum ,

I am posting a copy of that letter:-

"Are we fighting a war on terror or arent we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on 9/11/2001?

Were people from all, over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nations capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania?
Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didnt they?

And Im supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was desecrated when an overworked American soldier kicked it and got it wet? Well, I dont.I dont care at all.

Ill start caring when Osama Bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all the innocent people on 9/11.

Ill care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia.

Ill care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Bergs head while Berg screamed through his gurgling, slashed throat.

Ill care when the cowardly so called insurgents in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

Ill care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

Ill care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave Marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I DONT CARE.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest assured that I dont care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I dont care.

When I hear that a prisoner , who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed special food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being mishandled you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I dont care.

And OH, by the way, Ive noticed that sometimes its spelled Koran and other times Quran. Well, Jimmy! Crack Corn and you guessed it—-I DONT CARE".

Non Carborundam,I am appalled,hindus,a majority of them,have lost their *aakrosham* gene and have slothfully replaced it with*masochistic hugging,loving,charitiesss* genes!

cyniclearner said...

Now the Generals, Admirals and Air Marshals are declaring they are not going to do the bidding of UPA. So, what next ? A military that is forced to not accept orders from political goons like Justice Rajendra Sachar, a founding member of communist agency called PUCL.

Now, Isn't that a blasphemy !
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http://www.dailypioneer.com/indexn12.asp?main_variable=front%5Fpage&file_name=story4%2Etxt&counter_img=4

We aren't counting, say Defence chiefs

Pioneer News Service/ New Delhi

Amid the controversy surrounding the Justice Rajinder Sachar Committee over the number of Muslims serving in defence services, Naval Chief Admiral Arun Prakash and Air Force Chief Air Marshal SP Tyagi said here on Thursday they had not provided the data to the panel.




Despite objections of the three services over the data-collection exercise, the Government on Thursday defended it in the presidential address. "A Committee under Justice Rajinder Sachar is studying in-depth the condition of minorities and is expected to recommend steps for their economic and social development and empowerment," the Presidential address said.



The two chiefs also backed Army Chief General JJ Singh, who had said on Monday that the defence recruitment was based purely on merit and the three arms were "apolitical, secular and professional".



The Naval Chief said recruitment in the Navy was purely on merit and "we do not maintain any record or statistics of religion".



Admiral Prakash also said he was not aware of the so-called data sought by the Government and said the Navy had not handed over any data about the number of Muslims serving its ranks.



Echoing similar stand, Air Marshal Tyagi said the Sachar Committee had not asked for any data or information about the number of Muslims working in the Air Force and his organisation had not furnished any such information to the committee in this regard.



The Air Chief also said the armed forces were apolitical, secular and professional.



The Army Chief, while refraining from questioning the survey, had said on Monday the recruitment was based on merit and ability to perform different duties. It was learnt the Army had expressed its reservations on such a survey some time back, saying it could have serious implications. The Army, too, had not supplied the data to the committee.



There are clear indications that the issue has become too hot for the Government and now an all-out attempt is being made to control the damage.



The Prime Minister's Office (PMO) had formed a seven-member committee headed by former chief justice of Delhi High Court Rajinder Sachar to carry out a survey on the number of Muslims serving in various government and private sector organisations.



The committee was also asked to find out the level of education and social status of the Muslims all over the country and the panel had so far toured 11 states.



The committee maintained that they were in the process of compiling a database of Muslims working in various organisations, including the armed forces, and realised the importance of having a professional and homogenous culture in the services.



The survey issue, however, snowballed into a major controversy with the NDA marching to the President to register their protest. The matter was likely to figure in Parliament on Friday and the Opposition grilling the UPA Government about the motive behind such an exercise especially in the armed forces.

Kalyani said...

Well ,well....,what Mark Twain said about a Patriot is applicable to Truth seekers and plucky people too!

Mark Twain once said, "In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."

siva said...

The usually blissful ignorant Hindu masses are again indifferent to this outrageous, if not treasonous, act by this govt. This shows that the Hindu mass has become so dumb that they don’t even realize who protects them and the danger of this exercise will cost them. They are slowly but surely digging their own graves.

Only god can save Hindus… or as Rajini Kanth once famously said, even god cannot save the Hindus if they remain this dumb and stupid.

siva said...

When I see the Indian armed forces’ reaction to this outrageous act, I can only pity them. Why can’t they threaten this damn anti national govt. and make them retreat. What the hell they are doing with all these tanks and guns at their disposal? Why can’t they even threaten to use them if the govt. mends its act?

If they are protesting just like any other lay man even to this treasonous act by this government made of eunuchs and bastards, then Hindus are really screwed, even more than we all know here.

Kalyani said...

Field Marshal Maneckshaw ,once remarked, we are made to serve under ministers and people who do not know the difference between a gorilla and guerilla....

GOL...guffawing out loud...!

Kalyani said...

Absolutely Siva!Absolutely!

Because the elephant does not know its strength(it is lulled and brainwashed into not knowing its strength.I am not describing how it is done as I don't want to digress)it fears and dances when the ringmaster cracks his whip.

The i-am-calling-from-the bunker-barkhadutts etc-- the whole lot of them,need to be stuffed into bunkers pronto and may they kootchikoo to pakibeggardeshisickulars and tangoe with them for eternity!All the lambasting dastardly politicians, forcibly stuffed inside ,I repeat to give them nonstop infotainment!

Ragz said...

When you think they can not do more harm, they come up with this utterly disgusting thought of counting minorities in the Defense forces. Where does it end? It is not minority appeasement anymore nor it is just vote-bank politics. I am having serious doubts if there's a bigger agenda here.

BTW, small mercies -- Bastard salman terrorist khan is going to prison. The irony here is that the biggest terrorist in Bollywood is going to prison for poaching.. but hey what the hell.....

Kalyani said...

Dear Ragz ,
Well ,you said it!Could not have put it better.

Ranjeet Singh said...

Why does it matter to these fools in the government about the number of minorities in the Army? Are they planning to keep a quota for the Muslims?
If such a scheme comes into effect, I propose that the Army recruits a huge number of Muslims and then force the Ministers to accept them as personal bodyguards. Let us see how many of them will agree.

iamfordemocracy said...

This single issue is enough for underlining the sheer incomptency of BJP people and Hinduttwa forces or Pariwar or whatever group. Here is why..

A few months ago, when Census and Muslim growth was highlighted, Congress shouted foul, and hushed up the survey. What BJP should do now is simply to use this opportunity to publish surveys on

1. How many Hindu girls married muslims in last 50 years. How many Muslim girls married Hindus next.

2. How many Hindus were killed by muslims post 1900, and other way round.

3. How many Muslims protested against Hussain's pictures, and how many against new cartoons.

So on and so forth. Politics is not merely about shouting hoarse when opposition steamrolls you; it is also about exploiting their weakness. My conclusion is that BJP and RSS are utterly hopeless in this respect.

siva said...

iamfordemocracy,

I agree with you completely. I have been thinking about the same for a while now, for about three to four years. BJP and RSS talk about all the atrocities committed, and still being committed, by the Mussalmans, but they do nothing to stop them. For the last four years I am of the opinion that BJP is committing the same mistakes committed by CONgress 70 years ago. They are no better.. 25 years old BJP is no better than the CONgress when it was of the same age. History is just repeating itself.

All this high talk of RSS being a nationalistic organization is just a baloney, they are just as impotent as any other Hindu org. What have they achieved in the last 80 years of their existence? Apart from some sundry accomplishment, they are a miserable failure when it comes to protection of Hindu interests and other big issues that really make a difference. Let me list their failure here.

• They were not able to stop the partition of the mother land.
• Could not achieve exchange of population which was even supported by Dr Ambedkar. We still have a huge Muslim population even after they partitioned and got their own country, this is the greatest failure of RSS and in my judgment, a crime committed by the then Jokerlal Nehru’s government.
• Could not declare Bharath as Hindu rasthra at the time of partition, even though religion was the basis of partition.
• Could not get equal rights for Hindus in India’s constitution.
• Could not liberate Hindu temples from the clutches of predatory India state.

This list is simply endless. I guess its time for self respecting Hindus to take control of RSS/BJP. Recent ascendance to the president ship of BJP by Shri Rajnath Singh points to that direction. But still Hindus have to organize, be ever vigilant and protect their rights, instead of whining about injustices committed against them. They should not put all their eggs in one basket, I mean not rely solely on BJP alone. If they organize and become a substantial voting block, then they can get their demands met and make any government kneel before them and kiss their asses.

VHP has recently said that they are going to organize a voting block of 30 crore Hindus by next general election, who will vote as a block to any party that is ready to meet their legitimate demands. If and when this happens, then we will see a real and positive change for Hindus rights.

DarkStorm said...

Siva, the way you spell out the facts makes me think.. To hell with Congressi sickular India, probably my places of worship will be more respected in the West, than my homeland.

I think I should immigrate. But then, where do I go.... Think I must stay on and fight to the end.