Tuesday, February 07, 2006

BBC demonizes Hindus over ShabariKu

feb 7th

more exploits of the british bathroom cleaners.

they wet their pants when it comes so mohammed but are lions when it comes to hindus.

as the mohammedans have demonstrated, a spot of rioting and burning a few embassies is salutary.

the 'threat of violence' works every time.

btw, i watched the film 'the constant gardener' and one of the minor characters is an indian woman named 'gita' who sports a very large cross. must be modeled on this 'geeta pandey' character below. why don't converts take on names like 'cynthia' or 'lorraine' or something? darned confusing, this keeping of hindu names.

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From: Ravi

Check out how BBC demonizes Hindus in the article below.
1) According to the Christian-controlled media, its ok for "alien" Christian customs to be imposed on India's Hindus by conversion.. however, it is not ok for Hindus in India to revive their religious affiliations by organizing a Kumbh Mela.
2) Honoring Shabari Mata's memory (which the Hindu organizations are doing successfully) is the need of the hour since it reflects the true egalitarian ways of the Vedic faith (since Sri Rama ate the leftover food of a tribal devotee). Yet the Christian-controlled media would hate for this honoring of Shabari to happen ..... as it is in their best interests to stoke caste conflicts and then shout from the rooftops that Hinduism is full of caste oppression.
3) Vanvasi dominated Dangs district (at the southern border of Gujarat) is surrounded by similar tribal districts of neighboring Maharashtra and Madhya Pradesh. So obviously, many pilgrims from surrounding villages, cities, districts and states will be traveling to such a sacred festival. How can these neighbors (fellow Hindu pilgrims) be outsiders according to BBC, when in fact, the real outsiders are the Christian missionaries who pump hundreds of millions of dollars to convert indigent Indians and build churches.
4) Also, see the malicious attempts to drive a wedge between Hindus ….The Hindu organizations don't see any distinctions between the Hindu pilgrims that are Vanvasi (Forest-dweller), Gramvasi (Village dweller) or Nagarvasi (town/city dweller) but obviously the media wants to break this Hindu unity.
Christian fears over Hindu festival

By Geeta Pandey
Dangs district, Gujarat

A poster for the event on the main road in Dangs
Officials are expecting over half a million people at the festival
Hundreds of thousands of Hindu faithful are making their way towards the tribal-dominated Dangs district in the western Indian state of Gujarat for a newly-discovered pilgrimage.
Many in the minority Christian community in the region are on tenterhooks.
Some hardline Hindu groups, including the RSS (Rashtriya Samaj Sevak) and the VHP (Vishwa Hindu Parishad or World Hindu Council), have called a gathering of the devout at the tiny Subir village for a three-day event beginning 11 February.
Officials estimate more than half a million will visit the area during the festival, named the Shabri Kumbh.
Christian missionaries have been working in this impoverished tribal land for the best part of a century and Dangs has had a history of religious trouble.
Some Hindu groups accuse the missionaries of using job offers and money to lure poor Hindus to convert.
In December 1998, some churches and mission schools were burnt down, allegedly by Hindu miscreants.
Reverend Shiela Shende, who supervises the Church of North India's Presbyterian church in Dangs, says she hopes the festival will pass off peacefully.
"We know the local people are alright... but a large number of people will come from outside. Our people are a bit scared."
Saffron flags
The population of Dangs is a mere 150,000 and making arrangements for visitors more than three times that number is not an easy task.
Hindu houses in Dangs marked by saffron flags
Hindu houses are marked by saffron flags to spot the minorities
But officials say all arrangements are in place to ensure the festival passes off peacefully.
The federal home ministry sent AK Mitra to assess the situation. The Hindus "have promised that the event will go off peacefully," he told the BBC.
"Also, we have no intelligence input to suggest that there will be any trouble."
But despite his assurances, tension has been running high.
All the Hindus in the district have been asked to fly saffron flags on their houses, making it easier to identify the Christians.
Some Hindu groups have announced they will welcome the "grih-vapasi" (or the homecoming) of those who have converted to Christianity.
This has also led to rumours that the organisers of the festival will attempt large-scale "re-conversion" to Hinduism.
Shantaram Guniya is a resident of Gubariya village.
Located barely two and a half kilometres from the venue of the festival, this village is one of the few settlements in the area where Christian households are in a majority.
Shantaram Guniya
Mr Guniya says organisers are hinting at re-conversions
"We have not had any problems so far, but we are worried as the festival draws nearer.
"The Hindu families were escorted from the village in a truck to the venue of the festival. We have heard the organisers are saying there will be many more Hindus when the festival is over."
Mr Guniya converted from Hinduism 10 years ago. His hut is easy to identify - colourful crosses are painted on the doors and a picture of Christ watches from a wall clock hung on a wooden pillar.
Guniya says he does not want to become a Hindu again.
But Hindu groups deny any plans for "re-conversion".
Prem Sharda is the former vice chancellor of the South Gujarat University and an RSS activist.
"The Christian community need not worry," he says. "The purpose of this festival is to create a brotherly feeling, and if they are here to welcome people coming from all parts of the country, why should there be trouble?"
Mr Sharda says the festival will benefit the area - it will result in the development of the place as a pilgrimage centre and that will ultimately lead to social and economic growth.
As evidence, he points to the work being done in Dangs
Dozens of workers are laying a new road in the town centre and a spanking new road has been built right up to Subir village, the festival venue.
Workers build roads in Dangs before the pilgrimage
Many tribals in the area have found work at the festival venue
The village and its surrounding areas now have drinking water pipelines and the tribal residents of the area say there are ample work opportunities available now.
Danabai is a resident of Karanjida village, some half a kilometre from Subir village.
"Earlier I had to travel 130 km (80 miles) to find work in a sugar factory. Now we can find work right at our doorstep," Danabai says.
"Before we could work only six months a year, but now we can work up to nine or 10 months, a road runs through our village and we get clean drinking water."
Danabai's husband and many of her neighbours have found work at the festival venue, a tented city visited by hundreds of pilgrims daily.
It is lunch time and volunteers at a communal kitchen are serving a hot meal to all the visitors. After eating, the pilgrims wash their steel plates under a line of taps.
Among them is Bhanuben Patel, who is visiting from Surat. She is in a group of 11, all members of a women's club, and she is visibly excited.
"We wanted to visit some holy place so we came here. It has been fun. I would like to come back during the festival."
Under the shade of a large tree, young tribal children sit in a circle around a man wearing a saffron scarf, a symbol of his religion.
The children sing a religious hymn, and then queue up for food. Before serving them, one volunteer asks them to chant Lord Rama's name.
Hindu groups say Subir village is the place where Lord Rama was fed berries by a tribal woman, Shabri.
But some NGOs and local journalists say the Hindu groups, who have so far neglected this backward region and its tribal population, are rattled by the growing clout of Christians in the area.
The festival, they say, is an attempt to counter that.
Gujarat has had a questionable record when it comes to protecting minority rights, but administration officials say this time all fears of trouble are misplaced.
"We are not leaving anything to chance. Of the 311 villages in the district,183 have Christian households and police and paramilitary forces will be deployed in each of these villages to keep peace," says Mr Mitra.
It is an assurance the Christian community here is banking on.

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solarpetal said...

catholic church is now into bollywood and it is supported by the usual suspects.
of course, the theme has communalism as one of its main agenda.
interestingly, one ngo is funding it and the profits will be pumped back.

siva said...
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siva said...

Church burning is back in the US with a bang. Any guess for how long it will take for the loonie commies and christist missionary/terrorist to make the wild charge that it is the hand work of communal Hindus, just like they fabricated the nun rape case, which turned out to be handy work of some local christist themselves. But the outrageous false charge against Hindus stays and it still widely misquoted by all the christist and commie controlled ELM.

Check this out


MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 5:11 p.m. ET Feb. 7, 2006
BOLIGEE, Ala. - Authorities told NBC News on Tuesday that there appeared to be a link between suspected arson fires at five rural Baptist churches near Birmingham, Ala., last week and fires that damaged four more Baptist churches in western Alabama overnight.

“Clearly and obviously this is an arson fire,” a federal agent told NBC, referring to one of the fires overnight.

Officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the fires were still being investigated.

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Authorities cited similarities among the nine blazes: All occurred early in the morning, the fires were at or near the altars of the churches and all of the churches were in remote locations.

The four fires reported Tuesday were in three sparsely populated counties in west Alabama. Dancy First Baptist Church near Aliceville and Spring Valley Baptist Church near Emelle were damaged, Ingram said. The other two, Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church in Boligee and Galilee Baptist in Panola, were destroyed.

While some have speculated on a possible racial component to the fires, because one of the churches burned in last week's fires and the four churches burned overnight this week were mostly frequented by African Americans, Jim Cavanaugh, special agent for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, told NBC that he did not think the latest burnings were racially motivated.

On main roads
One notable difference from last week's fires is that at least two of the churches in the latest fires are on a main road; investigators said this was possibly an effort to throw off investigators.

Another difference is that two of the churches burned this week were brick buildings; their exteriors were solid, but the interiors sustained more serious damage.

Authorities said they were seeking two men, possibly in a dark SUV.

The FBI said it is looking into whether the Bibb County fires last week were civil rights violations under laws covering attacks on religious property. State and federal rewards totaling $10,000 have been offered.

Earlier, Ragan Ingram, a spokesman for the state insurance agency that oversees fire investigations, said it was too soon to say if there was any link between the sets of blazes. “Obviously we’re going to investigate these as suspected arsons,” Ingram said.

In Boligee, firefighters sprayed down the smoldering rubble at Morning Star Baptist Church, where all that remained of the wood-frame building were the front steps and handrail. The church had burned to its concrete foundation.

‘It's just sickness’
Johnny Archibald, a church member who lives nearby, said he was alerted to the fire by a school bus driver and arrived about 6:45 a.m., just as smoke was pouring out of windows and flames were visible near the pulpit. He said it seemed as if the front door had been kicked in.

He said he immediately thought of last week’s church fires.

“I don’t know what’s going on. It’s just sickness,” he said.

The string of fires early Friday in rural Bibb County, about 25 miles south of Birmingham, destroyed three churches and damaged two others.

In the past five years, Alabama has had 59 church fires, 19 of those ruled arsons, Ingram said.

Agents investigating the five Bibb County fires said Tuesday that they were looking for a dark-colored sport-utility vehicle in connection with the blazes.

Members of Old Union Baptist Church in Brierfield told The Associated Press in interviews that they saw a dark Nissan Pathfinder near the building as they arrived to put out a fire shortly after 4 a.m. Friday.

Investigators believe all five Bibb County fires were linked, Ingram said. He said they are pursuing several leads, but “the leads haven’t led us to a specific suspect or a motive.”

The state fire marshal’s office said Tuesday that it had ruled another church fire, Thursday afternoon in rural Chilton County, an accident.

Previous arson cases
Alabama is no stranger to seemingly random attacks on churches. An Indiana man who called himself a missionary of Lucifer pleaded guilty to setting fires at 26 churches in eight states, including Alabama, over a five-year period that ended in 1999.

Jay Scott Ballinger pleaded guilty in April 2001 to setting church fires in Alabama, California, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina and Tennessee from December 1998 through January 1999, according to the Justice Department. He was sentenced to life in prison. His conviction was upheld by an appellate court last year.

The Associated Press and NBC contributed to this report

SunnyWarrior said...

I am not sure what you are referring to, but no US journalists have accused Hindus or Indians of burning churches in the US.

SunnyWarrior said...

Perhaps Kalyani can answer this question:

Sabarimala according to you was "where Lord Rama was fed berries by a tribal woman, Shabri." It appears to me from this article that it is in Gujarat, not Kerala. How do you explain this ?

habc said...

Considering the fact that the British have such a miserable legacy of history in India/Pak/Bangla - I think al-BBC should just butt out - for old times sake eh Old Boy.

iamfordemocracy said...

Sunnywarrior, your question is quite relevant. Indeed, Shabri, the tribal woman could not have been at two different places for a single act... So let me ask you one other relevant question..

1. How did some tribals embrace christainity? If that happened in last 100 years or so, and if these tribals have been more or less illiterate, is it possible that these conversions happened illegally?

bodhi dharma said...

hey hey hey .. the remains of one Thomas (some call St Thomas) are in 2 places - one in Chennai and other in Europe!! Is he split and preserved? Any ideas?

siva said...

Moron sunny is also here uh,

I am not sure what you are referring to, but no US journalists have accused Hindus or Indians of burning churches in the US.

It was a rhetorical question you idiot.

indusAquarius said...

Hey Bodhi Dharma,

I think I have the answer to your query.

I think the Thomas in Europe may be the pure-bred Aryan uncle of Thomas (almost the same genes you see, that's why they mistake him for Thomas) who had come to India on a tourist visa (on his chariot, of course) and left for Europe once lil Thomas was all settled in Chennai.

KapiDhwaja said...

I think the Thomas in Europe may be the pure-bred Aryan uncle of Thomas (almost the same genes you see, that's why they mistake him for Thomas) who had come to India on a tourist visa (on his chariot, of course) and left for Europe once lil Thomas was all settled in Chennai.

indusAquarius that was hilarious! You made my day. Keep it coming.

SunnyWarrior said...

Church burning is back in the US with a bang. Any guess for how long it will take for the loonie commies and christist missionary/terrorist to make the wild charge that it is the hand work of communal Hindus....widely misquoted by all the christist and commie controlled ELM.

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Rhetorical ? Pardon me Siva, but all of your silly accusations are "rhetorical". It is when you start believing your own "rhetoric" that it gets a little dangerous.


It appears to me that the Hindu groups are now claiming that all tribals are "Shabri", "Subhir" village is actually "Shabri".

...is it possible that these conversions happened illegally?

What does "literacy" have anything to do with conversion? What makes a conversion "legal" or "illegal"? How about re-conversions - what makes those "legal" or "illegal"? And who decides that the conversion of one person is legal or illegal, the government, courts, RSS, political parties?

bd -

So you believe that St. Thomas existed and your claim is that because St. Thomas was in two places, Sabhri could be too and therefore the Hindus who want to "rescue" the tribal culture are justified in their use of Sabhri.

ia -

He used the flying carpet which is why there is no evidence of chariots and no need for horses.

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