Wednesday, March 15, 2006

Your omission of a critical theory of Aryan origins

mar 14th

oh, i simply loved this reader comment. i was practically ROTFL. it beats, hands down, some of the other inane comments i have endured.

this one reminds me of the late prof. m krishnan nair who used to write the 'weekly literary horoscope' in kalakaumudi, a malayalam magazine. he always illustrated his oblique points with reference to some incredibly obscure latin american or eastern european writer. for instance (i am making this up,  but you get the picture), "the wandering ancient bearing the albatross of failed expectations is a metaphor for the cognate sins of mankind, as seen in the truculent, powerful and gyno-erotic visions of the lesbian argentinian poet alessandra tressconi in her masterpiece 'the lost virginity of katarina del barossa' ". absolutely guaranteed to leave the reader gasping for breath, as nobody has heard of alessandra tressconi.

this comment also reminds me of the 'dada engine' that spews out post-modernist tripe, that i once posted references to on this blog.

i just love self-righteousness. don't you? especially when it is combined with cluelessness.

ps. krishnan nair was not clueless. he was having fun.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: K
Date: Mar 14, 2006 1:50 AM
Subject: Your omission of a critical theory of Aryan origins
To: Rajeev.srinivasan@gmail.com

Vanakkam, Shri Srinivasan,
 
I noticed the following statement on your blog:
"Thus, when it became clear that the 'Aryan' Invasion Theory was not tenable, a new theory was created, that of 'Aryan' 'Migration'. This is old wine in new bottles: apparently the illiterate nomadic 'Aryans' (previously "thundering down the Khyber Pass in their horse-drawn chariots") now are claimed to have trickled in peaceably to the Indus-Sarasvati cities, which, despite their sophistication, did not have a literature or culture. The 'Aryans' allegedly brought Sanskrit and the Vedas with them and the grateful Indus-Sarasvati people adopted them wholesale. This is the new snake-oil being purveyed currently by Indian Marxists.  With all due modesty, I present, free of charge, my trademarked alternative theory, the 'Aryan' Tourist Theory."
 
Before grandiosely embarking on your own theory, you should have given due credit to previous theorizers.  I allude to your glaring omission of the "Wandering Aryan Theory," gloriously enunciated by a certain Occallaghan Marion in the Trinidad and Tobago news:
"The evidence is of neither invasion nor of Aryans beginning in India. It is of groups speaking an Aryan language wandering across the Indian border and bringing with them a language which is afterwards adopted as the language of the Court and of Brahmin rituals.
 
Even today, we find that India and Pakistan often detain shepherds and farmers who, in the absence of clear border demarcation, wander off into foreign territory in pursuit of straying livestock.  There is no reason why this should not have happened in the Central Asia/Afghanistan border in pre-Vedic times.  Therefore, this Wandering Aryan Theory has the additional merit of *experimental validation* which the "Engineering Types" like yourself are wont to demand from linguists and philologists.   
 
So, my dear sir, before your next presentation of your theory with fanfare, have the goodness and humility to acknowledge the giants whose shoulders you stand on. 
 
S. Ramakrishnan


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18 comments:

Kaunteya said...

ROTFL.... 100% 24-carat funny.. this..

and oh by the way, all i could get from this buggers comment was he was not "those Engineering types". :-))

And that fact pinches him a bit i think.. he is not very happy with his qualifications, which obviously has something to do with him being either a BA or something like that..

[BA degree used to be the greatest achievement of the Hindi film heros few years back. So this guy might even be an old Hindi film hero, who knows? :-)]

And here's my own 2 cents hypothesis on this subject :-))) call it Kaunteya's Hypothesis

'If you are an engineering graduate, you are more likely to support Hindu nationalist party'

bluntly put, if you are logical and analytical you are likely to support BJP ...:-))))

Check the list of commentators in the media today. And try to find their qualifications if possible. Most writers who lean to the right have a professional degree.
I have done this excercise and figured out i was in the "right" company :-)))


Excuse me if my comment seemed like S.Ramakrishan himself. But i just could not resist this hilarious bit.

iamfordemocracy said...

The Trinidad article mentions this Tajmahal issue. Who built it really? Has any carbon dating ever been done? There have been a few books claiming it was a Shivmandir (Tejomahalay) and I have heard from a few that all attempts to get to the truth are hammered down by the officialdom.

someone said...

LMAO... I just love these types. They're usually so self-involved. These are the same ones who write post-modern surreal poetry on their blogs and their stated political ideology has enough words to fill a dictionary.

iamfordemocracy:
There was this one (American?) guy who unauthorisedly took a piece of wood from the Taj Mahal and carbon-dated it to 200 years before its stated date of construction. I'd personally like to see more of Taj Mahal carbon-dated and the closed rooms opened. If the current version of its history is right, then why should anyone fear? It might help us understand more about Taj Mahal, if nothing else.

Kalyani said...

To embellish Kaunteya's "BA degree used to be the greatest achievement of the Hindi film heros few years back".

With a First Class First too!

Kalyani said...

Rajeev.,

Your made up ".."the wandering ancient bearing the albatross of ........ katarina del barossa' " is a masterpiece!

Thank your Stars,krishnan nair is late!

daisies said...

Hi Kaunteya,
Re:
"And that fact pinches him a bit i think.. he is not very happy with his qualifications, which obviously has something to do with him being either a BA or something like that..."

--- Actually BA in English may be
a good thing. It makes one more
right-brained. So it may make
one lean to the right.

This flash of insight came to
me from my right-brain. Not
from my logical left.

So BA in the non-logical and
artistic disciplines could
be a blessing....

Or it may cause inane,
illogical comments, who
knows...?

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murli said...

Frankly, it looks like Ramakrishnan's message was intended to be tongue-in-cheek.

Sage said...
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virat0 said...

Even the Aryan tourist theory has a precedent ! The space seems to be too crowded. With insertion of couple of words, the Following could be made to a good theory on Aryans, which few would claim to have precedents.

"the wandering ancient bearing the albatross of failed expectations is a metaphor for the cognate sins of mankind, as seen in the truculent, powerful and gyno-erotic visions of the lesbian argentinian poet alessandra tressconi in her masterpiece 'the lost virginity of katarina del barossa' "

Kalyani said...

Any profession is better than a wannabe swamijee's:-)

Everyday,I exclaim before God:-

"Oh God! Save me from *wannabe swamijees*!!

Yesterday one such specimen told me very proudly:-
"I am going to Malaysia to lecture on Hinduism".

I asked what are you doing with your accumulated *tapas* about Jagannathans bludgeoned to death and Kashi carnage(sss).

Without a trace of emotion,in a flat voice he pontificated:-

"Only few died in place of thousands....all because of Hindus not doing Sandhya Vandhanam regularly......"

DarkStorm said...

LOL.. nice one, Rajeev and Kaunteya. Yes, I have noticed it too. The people from the science side are more likely to be moderate right-wingers, as compared to the humanities walas who are more likely to really believe in their make believe world of pseudointellectual words. In the process they turn out to be rabid left-wing communals (yeah, they are the communals actually). And they dont have that in them to find out the fallacies in the blabberings of so called liberals.

I think ATT is a valid theory. Actually, Rajeev, you can try to get it proven right. Excavations in the future would reveal markings on pottery and metalworks - "Made in Ukraine" or "Made in Caspian Sea region" etc. This will prove that the tourists came from the supposed Aryan homeland. Also, try to find their bullock cart or horse cart tickets. They would say "Caspian Horselines - Seat number 5. Date of journey - 4000BC" etc on the ticket.

I suppose if archaeologists dig up graves of Romila Thapar and Irfaan Haboob at a later date, they would find "Made in China" on their bones. he he he....

BTW, what do you think of the Advani yatras after Varanasi. I think Advani is flogging a dead horse. He should actually resign now and retire.

DarkStorm said...

Daisies said -
>>Actually BA in English may be
a good thing. It makes one more
right-brained. So it may make
one lean to the right.
==
LOL...
Actually, its the left brain thats responsible for logical reasoning. Its the more rightbrained who lean to the left. Ulta pulta hai idhar.

daisies said...

Darkstorm,

You are correct.
Left brain is responsible for
logical reasoning.

Right brain is intuitive. That is
why I said "flash of insight". It
is intuitive insight. The kind
that makes you say "Eureka!" and
jump out of the bath-tub and
announce a new idea.

I was postulating that a right
brained person will lean to the
right.

That's all. It has nothing to do
with logical reasoning. Every
decision doesnt depend on logic.

At the same time I said, a right
brained person might make illogical
comments. This is not a fixed
rule, but possible.

All this was just taking off from
Kaunteya's hypothesis, which he
admitted was not necessarily
logical.

Basically everyone here has just
been having a bit of fun off the
S. Ramakrishnan post.

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virat0 said...

I think the issue with humanities is that they have these readymade theories or hoaxes or jokes. They pretend to be authorities on these jokes, but wouldn't laugh at it.

daisies said...

Re. Darkstorm's:
"I think ATT is a valid theory. Actually, Rajeev, you can try to get it proven right."

--- I have been under the
impression that Rajeev has all
along been offering ATT as a
riduculous counter-claim to
the ridiculous AIT.

I dont think Rajeev believes
in ATT. In one of his posts,
he called himself it
"long-discredited" or some
such thing along, with AIT.

Altough the first time I read
his ATT (trademarked), I
seriously thought he believed
in it.

Rajeev, pls. enlighten me if I
got it all wrong.


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Kalyani said...

Rajeev and others,

One more for Engineers and Logical thinkers to feel vindicated:-

Prof.Marvin H.Mills (an architect) has the following questions about our Taj Mahal:-

"Why has the ASI blocked any dating of the Taj...Carbon-14 or thermo-luminiscence?

Why does the "mosque" face due west instead of mecca? Certainly by the 17th century,there was no problem in orienting a building precisely!

What is in the sealed up rooms on the south side of the long corridor opposite the twenty contiguous rooms?Who filled in the doorway with masonry?Why are scholars not allowed to enter and study whatever decor or objects within?

Why does the perimeter wall of the complex have a Medieval,pre artillery defense character when cannons were already in use in the mughal invasion of India?

Why are there some 20 rooms below the terrace level on the north side facing the Jamuna River? Why does a "mausoleum" need those rooms?

Every successful new building construction follows a "critical path"...a normal seuence of steps,requiring a minimum time.

Since mumtaz died unexpectedly,having survived 13 previous childbirths, shahjahan had to conceive,in the midst of his trauma,of a world class tomb,select an architect(whose identity is still debated),work out a design program with the architect,prepare designs,engineer the structure and mechanical systems,detail the drawings,organize the contractors and workers...prepare a complex construction schedule.

Mysteriously,there are no documents relating to this elaborate procedure.

We can't assume it was built additively with the buildings and landscaping as needed.

It was designed as a unified whole,made clear by the analysis of the grid system employed to unite the complex horizontally and vertically into a 3 dimensional whole.
...not a solemn burial ground but a place of secular delights of waterways and flowering plants.

Love for mumtaz was a convenient subterfuge...he appropriated the existing place for himself by making an offer, Raja Jai Singh could not refuse......modified the interior of the west wall to create a 'mihrab' niche...added islamic inscriptions around many doorways and entries..to establish the credibility of its having been his creation...

The inscriptions are almost always in a discrete rectangular frame,rendering them capable of being modified or added to...The black script on the white marble background is aesthetically inappropriate,in the midst of the soft beige marble surrounding it.

By claiming shahjahan commanded lahori to build both the Taj and Red Fort....as evidence this is quite weak......."

virat0 said...

It was intresting to read the kind of logic that was considered to make theories in humanities, Experimental validation for linguists and philologists as Ramakrishnan believes is as following :-

Since Shepherds can walk few miles into the territory, even today, so they must have walked few thousands miles in something called pre-vedic times. Or put it simply, since some people can walk even today, so such experiment proves the wandering veriety of the theory , consequent to such scintific and experimental validation, they could get jobs and brainwash the innocent people. The ones in university would have few more lines of such logic, untill one is confused and amazed :(



Even today, we find that India and Pakistan often detain shepherds and farmers who, in the absence of clear border demarcation, wander off into foreign territory in pursuit of straying livestock. There is no reason why this should not have happened in the Central Asia/Afghanistan border in pre-Vedic times.

DarkStorm said...

Daisies, thats what I intended. If someone seriously pushes ATT(trademarked) , Thappar matas and company will be seriously confused. And they will actually believe it, such nincompoops they are.