Wednesday, March 08, 2006

steve farmer's thesis on SABHA

mar 8th

in case you wanted some hilarious bedside reading. this stuff is phd material? i am embarrassed that my alma mater, stanford, awarded a phd to this bloke for this sort of stuff. just shows how bad the state of the humanities is in even the best american universities.

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Scanned pages from Farmer's PhD thesis.


Ram said...

From Dienekes blog:

This LA Times story is about changes in California schoolbooks requested by Hindu organizations. The interesting paragraph:

The most contentious issue involves the origins of Hinduism. The common historical view, included in all textbooks, is that Indo-Europeans from Central Asia, called Aryans, migrated to India and laid the faith's foundation. But Bajpai and the Hindu groups hotly dispute the idea of any Aryan migration, citing new DNA evidence for their view that Hinduism developed indigenously. They have asked that textbooks include both views.

There is of course no new DNA evidence that Hinduism developed indigenously. The latest studies suggest that Indians are of largely indigenous origin, but that does not mean that their religion is. Hinduism is a blend of many elements, and the contribution of local elements in it should be acknowledged and celebrated, but the binding thread is the religion of the Vedic Indo-Aryans, Sanskrit, and the Brahmin caste.

The latest research actually reinforces the Aryan Invasion Theory. According to that theory, the caste system is not a simple "division of labor" as the revisionists would suggest, but rather a social structure imposed by an intrusive group. A prediction of that theory is that the upper caste in the Hindu system would carry a greater genetic legacy of non-South Asian ancestry. This prediction is supported by current evidence.

The indigenist school must explain why Brahmins are more "West Eurasian" genetically, if they were just assigned this role in a grand within-India "division of labor". A more parsimonious explanation is that they are more "West Eurasian" genetically because, well, their ancestors came from West Eurasia.

Moreover, the "division of labor" theory could accommodate exogenous origins for some Indian castes, but it does not explain why the elite group also happens to coincide with the exogenous group, namely the Brahmin caste. A more parsimonious explanationis that the elite group is also the exogenous group, because a group of outsiders took control of Indian society and placed themselves on top.


Dienekes doesn't appear to be a Steve Farmer.

In my view, Hinduism is a great religion whether AIT is true or not.
The Hindutva folks should be careful about basing their credibility on
the falsity of AIT, because that doesn't seem to be happening overnight.



Sailesh Ganesh said...

Thanks Ram for pointing that out, I have been thinking about this for a while, and it seems to be that we are unnecessarily getting worked up over the historical aspects of Hinduism. I remember reading a post by Rajiv Malhotra where he mentions the lack of any need for historical veracity as one of the strengths of Hinduism. If that is so, shouldnt the textbooks emphasise more on what is Hinduism rather than its origins? I'm sure any spiritual guru wouldnt give a toss about the origins either. Correct me please if I am wrong.

virat0 said...

How the secularists took over hinduism ? Through AIT they constructed stories. It is important to ask them why would they use such fictious arguments, as was done by some christists.

The latest research actually reinforces the Aryan Invasion Theory. According to that theory, the caste system is not a simple "division of labor" as the revisionists would suggest,

There is no new reserach about it, you could find the same argument by some missionaries 150 years back. Thats how they created the dravidian racists in Tamil Nadu. This way they target the Brahmins[ Not the living ones] and blind rest of hindus not to question in their natural way about hinduism.

The falsity of genetic ideas [ apart from modifying some of the rituals ] is that, philosophically the hinduism would change beyond recognition, you wouldn't have any basis for Yoga, except its effects.

I think there would be enterprising people, who could find the genes from hindu perspective and give an explanation how it relates, if there is a hindu genetics institute. Asides, in 19th century, when they didn't know as much about the genes, they had other such criterion for racism, a group of racists called that criterion is conclusive, a group racists studied them in more detail to find they are not as it superficially appears to be. Both are sick and would make seckular. They contributed nothing to hinduism, all our seculars are born out of that. This one would also have simillar fate, if hinduism survives. You shouldn't allow yourself to be measured by your genes, if you are then one should be open, we wouldn't read your resume, rather verify the genes.