Wednesday, March 29, 2006

saudis' attempt to deter (and possibly pre-empt) nuclear strikes

mar 29th

i have mentioned american plans to nuke mohammedan holy sites in saudi arabia that have been hinted at by military planners, and they run war game scenarios at the us army college of war using this assumption.

here is how the saudis would like to deter such attacks.

the chinese are laughing all the way to the bank: they have sold the saudis long-range nuclear capable missiles, which now endanger europe, india and possibly even the us. i mean why wouldnt china sell the saudis their longest-range ICBMs? they get to endanger europe and america, and get paid for it. and a lid is kept on their potentially restive uighur mohammedans by a word from their saudi pals. i mean, that's a sweet deal

the true axis of evil: saudi arabia, pakistan and china.

iraq, iran and north korea are small fry compared to these villains: respectively,
the paymasters of terrorism and nuclear proliferation,
the operational footsoldiers for the same,
the suppliers of material and technology for the same.

the us overestimates itself: it thinks running with the hare and hunting with the hound is something they can manage. sorry, they can't.

also, the us thinks pakistan will go back to its usual role of 'international condom': to be used and then flushed down the toilet. sorry, musharraf has other ideas.

and of course the us thinks it's being clever with the saudis. wrong, the saudis are the ones hoodwinking them. who has sleepers in whose country?

finally the chinese. the americans had better be damned scared of the inscrutable chinese. they are relentless, and the sino-islamist alliance is their brainchild. they give the pakistanis (and soon the bangladeshis) a few screw-driver assembly missiles and nuclear weapons, and they happily proliferate them all over the place. this gives china plausible deniability, not that china cares about deniability anyway, they will simply deny and win by the principle of 'truth by repeated assertion'. and then the us opens itself up to all sorts of industrial espionage by chinese 'students'. boy, the yanks are being taken to the cleaners by the chinese! talk of large numbers of sleepers! every chinese-origin person in the us is a potential sleeper.

the us is basically screwed. and these are the geniuses that manmohan singh is hitching india's star to! very smart indeed.

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Date: Mar 29, 2006 6:53 AM


Nuclear Bombs

Saudi n-bomb via Pak

'Saudi secretly working with Pak experts'

Posted online: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 at 1557 hours IST
Updated: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 at 1608 hours IST

BERLIN, MARCH 29 : Saudi Arabia is working secretly on a nuclear programme, with help from Pakistani experts, the German magazine Cicero reports in its latest edition, citing western security sources.

It says that during the Haj pilgrimages to Mecca in 2003 through 2005, Pakistani scientists posed as pilgrims to come to Saudi Arabia in aircraft laid on by the oil-rich kingdom.

Between October 2004 and January 2005, some of them took the opportunity to "disappear" from their hotel rooms, sometimes for up to three weeks, it quoted German security expert Udo Ulfkotte as saying.

According to western security services, the magazine added, Saudi scientists have been working since the mid-1990s in Pakistan, a nuclear power since 1998 thanks to the work of the now-disgraced Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan.

Cicero, which will appear on newsstands tomorrow, also quoted a US military analyst, John Pike, as saying that Saudi bar codes can be found on half of Pakistan's nuclear weapons "because it is Saudi Arabia which ultimately co-financed the Pakistani atomic nuclear programme".

The magazine also said satellite images prove that Saudi Arabia has set up in al-Sulaiyil, South of Riyadh, a secret underground city and dozens of underground silos for missiles.

According to some western security services, long-range Ghauri-type missiles of Pakistani-origin are housed inside the silos.


Saudi Arabia's Secret Missile City in the Middle of the Desert ^ | This piece ran in Yediot Aharonot on March 27, 2002 | Ronen Bergman.Senior Investigative Journalist, Yediot Aharonot

Posted on 04/09/2002 7:30:37 PM PDT by Bad~Rodeo

The computer at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia chooses random names for topics and operations it deals with. "Deep Blue" is the name given to an aggregate of troubling information received by the agency at the beginning of 1988. The source of most of the reports is the NSA's monitoring of communications by the Chinese administration and military. According to these, Saudi Arabia was conducting advanced negotiations with China about the acquisition of dozens of surface-to-surface missiles built to carry nuclear weapons.

The intelligence communities of both the US and Israel were totally stunned, as until then they did not know anything about this. Officials from the CIA and the research department of IDF Intelligence sat with a compass and drew the ranges. The missiles that the Saudis planned to buy, CSS-2 as they are called in professional terminology, or Dong-Feng 3 in the Chinese version, have a range of between 2,500 to 3,500 kilometers. Such a range encompasses all of the Middle East, including parts of what was once the USSR, and, of course, all of Israel.

Officials in Israel and the US did not understand why the Saudis, who in public take a moderate and pragmatic diplomatic line, had to buy the missiles, which at the time constituted China's central nuclear attack force. Concern increased when these reports were added to reports of the great financial support given by Saudi Arabia to the development of the "first Islamic bomb," as Pakistan's atomic enterprise was called.

Israeli and American intelligence began a wide-scale campaign with a double purpose: To gather details about the deal, and an attempt to learn what the Saudis were really planning to do with the missiles. The campaign was partially successful. It turned out that 120 missiles were to be acquired, as well as 12 launchers. The Americans were especially surprised when it turned out that the person conducting the dialogue on the part of the Saudis was none other than the State Department favorite, Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, the charming ambassador to Washington.

The Saudis paid a fortune for the missiles. The Chinese got the feeling from them that money was no object, and that Prince Bandar would pay any price to get his country into the prestigious club.

They're Planting the Desert with Missiles

The first CSS-2 missiles arrived in June, 1990, and were deployed in two places south of Riyadh: Most of them in the huge complex built north of the El-Suleil desert, about 500 kilometers from the capital, and a minority of them in El-Jofer, 100 kilometers from the city. The rest of the missiles arrived during the following years.

About two weeks ago, the satellite Iconus, the best civilian photographic satellite in the world, took special photos for Yediot Aharonot over El-Suleil. The photos prove that over the last few years the Saudis have invested huge resources in the development of a secret military city, "King Khaled."

In comparison to previously accessible photos of the region, photographed by the French satellite Spot in 1995, the intensive construction in the region, spread over hundreds of square kilometers in the heart of the desert, is clearly recognizable. The Saudis have added missile launching pads, access roads, command headquarters, a huge residential area, a mosque for the engineers and crews, as well as a huge new area, spread over 1400 square kilometers, dotted with numerous bunkers for conventional and non-conventional weapons, with a capacity of more than 60,000 cubic meters. East of El-Suleil, outside of the photographed area, is a Saudi air force base, with two Tornado squadrons.

The huge missile base is made up of a support area and two launching areas, six kilometers apart, and are located in narrow hidden ravines.

In the support area, more than 33 buildings are visible. Eight of them are large enough to store the CSS-2 missiles, which are 24 meters long. The launching areas have a scattering of buildings, and a concrete launching pad.

In each of the two launching areas, an unidentified building can be seen, covered with dust, about 50 meters long, two underground storerooms for the missiles, two large support buildings, and garages.

In comparison to the photos from 1995, a sizable expansion can be seen in the administrative and residential areas. Command headquarters installations, residential areas, a large mosque, a soccer field, a large park, parking lots, etc., can be clearly seen. The take-off area of the local airport was increased to more than three kilometers.

The weapons storage area, spread over more than 1,400 kilometers, is too big to be connected only to a CSS-2 missile base, and apparently has other secret purposes. More than 60 fortified buildings for weapons storage can clearly be identified.

For a long time it was not clear to American intelligence where the Saudis were hiding their missiles. At first they thought that they were to be found at the El Haraj air force base complex, about 50 kilometers south of Riyadh. Only through intelligence information on the ground, and careful monitoring via satellites, led the CIA to the secret military city in El-Suleil. The photos from Iconus were received according to the coordinates located previously by American intelligence.

This updated information, which Israeli and American intelligence has had for a long time, is the cause of no little headache. All this became even more relevant after 9/11, when it became clear that anything, absolutely anything, could happen, and there are those who today regret the docile line Israel adopted towards Saudi Arabia under American pressure. Buying Up Every Adversary and All Opposition

The acquisition of missiles was part of a general Saudi military build-up, which at the beginning of the nineties turned it into the number one buyer of arms among third world countries, after Iraq.

The Washington administration felt betrayed. Only several years after the huge efforts made by President Reagan to approve the sale of AWACS warning planes to the Saudis, this deal suddenly appeared, in contrast to Riyadh's declared policy, apparently without any practical need.

The angry Americans asked for explanations. The Saudis said that they needed missiles to defend themselves from Iran (which was then considered to be the most serious regional threat), and that they had decided to acquire them from China, after the US refused to sell them F-15s in 1985. In the end they were sold 24 airplanes, but the missile project, said the Saudis, was already underway.

King Fahd made a commitment not to arm the missiles with chemical or nuclear warheads, and not to use them in an initial attack. In order to allay their concerns even more, Saudi Arabia signed a nuclear non-proliferation treaty. The king made a commitment not to take part in developing a nuclear bomb, and also promised that after the missiles were in place, all military activity would be stopped in the El-Suleil region.

Fahd, to put it nicely, did not exactly keep his word. The Saudis promised to allow American supervision of the site in El-Suleil, if Washington would promise that Israel would not attack them, but in the end refused to allow visits to the site.

Following the Gulf War, the Saudis became a kind of underdog, and succeeded in directing anger to other places, mainly Iran and Iraq. Even Israel, in conversations with other countries, did not raise the Saudi issue.

In 1990, when the missiles began to arrive in El-Suleil, Israel wanted to arouse a commotion, but the US was satisfied with Fahd's promises and instructed Israel to keep a low profile. Israel in turn sufficed with registering a protest, which was a drop in the ocean in contrast to the campaigns it led against countries such as Syria and Iraq.

In the case of Saudi Arabia, even when the details of its involvement in the Pakistan nuclear project became clear, even when it was obvious that it was financing terror organizations, even when it was proven without any doubt that the Saudi family was tainted to its roots with corruption and an unstoppable desire to rule, by buying up, in essence, every enemy and all opposition, the US remained silent and compelled Israel to do the same.

September 11 upset the applecart for the Saudis. Many in the US, both within and outside the administration, felt free to express what they had been keeping inside. About four months ago, chief Pentagon strategist Richard Perl said here: In my opinion, the Saudis are not part of the solution, but part of the problem… We had all the reasons to assume that they were grateful that we saved them in the Gulf War, and we were wrong.


KapiDhwaja said...

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KapiDhwaja said...

Here is something more obnoxious about China, folks. I am thoroughly disgusted.

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saras said...

Here is something obnoxious. The government wants to bring in reservations upto a level of 50% in IITs and IIMs.

EkSh00nyaSh00nya said...

Hey Rajeev, thanks for letting me know, your opinion regarding my posts (Ref. your comments in response to mine about Sandhya
Jain's article on on Sonia Gandhi, the runaway woman Mar 26th). I'll try to be verbose from now on.

You seem to be really pissed-off--that's what I got the impression from your comment--I dunno what I have done to annoy you, pray tell me, will you? I know its your blog, you have the right to make rules as to what kind of postings you approve of,and I haven't posted anything which is not in line with what the majority of comments talk about, so I am at a loss as to what is it in my comments (other than me using SMS-style text) as to offend you so much, and I know you are some kinda celebrity columnist and being a busy man do not have time for such innuendos and read all the comments, I have written all my comments in response to whatever I find interesting on your blog, you feel its too unbecoming of yours to respond to my postings, you are welcome to do so, and as I said earlier, its your blog, you make the rules over here and the posters need to follow it, otherwise they make themselves vulnerable to your wrath!

Now, I know its bit off-kilter, but it is some issue I have been thinking of lately to write about, and you as well as the

fellow posters are welcome to respond to.

I was reading this book 'Emerging Power India' by Stephen Cohen--a fellow at the Brookings Institution, one of America's leading think tank, and I had to stop midway.

As they say: Never judge a book by its cover, and here I was thinking this book might have something objective to say about what kept India, in past, from utilizing its talent as well as resources in order to emerge as a global power, and boy, how wrong I was in my assumption (assumption is, methink, a terrible weakness) and here are some excerpts (quoted verbatim):

1.South Indians are less intensely concerned with India's policies towards Pakistan, China, Bangladesh, or Nepal.... North Indians who are absorbed into Pakistan care little about the Bangladeshis streaming into Assam and Tripura; Biharis and Bengalis are concerned about Nepal, not "north-south" or disarmament issues (Chap 4 -- Domestic Dimension/ Pg 111 -- second para).

2.While Gandhi's militant nonviolence (???--isn't this phrase an oxymoron--my emphasis) was widely supported in theory if not always in practice, others responded differently to the dilemma of Hindu and Indian weakness. India has a strong tradition of terrorism, and as such figures as Bhagat Singh have become folk heroes (he was a young Sikh hanged for the bombing death of a British policeman). Swami Dayanand praised violence as a cathartic act and gave it an explicitly Hindu tinge. Subsequently, Nehru's great rival, Subhas Chandra Bose, while a secularist, also stressed the virtue of force as an instrument of policy.

(Chap 4 -- Domestic Dimension/ Pg 119 -- second para).

3.During World War II, however, India became a major military power, with American assistance. (Chap 5 -- India as a military power/ Pg 129 -- first para)

4.Except for waging a limited war in Kashmir in the early years after independence (1947-48), India employed force only for domestic reasons. The armed forces were used to absorb the princely states of Hyderabad (1948) and to invade and absorb Portugal's Indian colonies, most notably Goa (1961), The Goa invasion, which angered the United States and other NATO allies of Portugal, was prompted by Menon (V K Menon--Minister of Defence) to boost his political fortunes in a forthcoming election (Menon represented the Bombay South constituency, which had a number of Goans) (Chap 4 -- India as a military power/ Pg 131 -- second para).