Friday, March 24, 2006

china trade in prisoners' organs (harvested even while alive from falun gong prisoners)

mar 24th

the chinese are world-beaters in barbarism.

i once saw a photo of a chinese preparing soup with an aborted human foetus (probably 4-5 months old), which was recognizable as a human being, with a head, tiny limbs etc. i saw the before and after: in the 'after' the foetus had been charred into a lump of  burned meat.

i found those pictures hard to deal with.

fair warning: you may find the following text, purportedly from a witness, hard to deal with. it was forwarded to me by an unknown person, so i cannot vouch for its authenticity, but i have no good reason to think this is impossible. similar things have been rumored in china for a while.

---------- Forwarded message ----------

From:    "philipd"
Date:    Wed, March 22, 2006 6:08 pm

Dear Rajeev,

I am writing this FYI.

International Human Right Volunteer

New Witness Confirms Existence of Chinese Concentration Camp, Says Organs
Removed from Live Prisoners

A former employee of Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis
Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine told The Epoch Times
during  a recent interview that the Sujiatun Concentration Camp in China
was actually a  part of a hospital. The concentration camp has engaged in
taking organs from  Falun Gong practitioners when they were still alive
and selling the organs.  Since 2001, the concentration camp has secretly
detained approximately 6,000  Falun Gong practitioners, none of whom have
been able to leave the camp alive.  The hospital removed many kidneys,
livers, and corneas from the practitioners.  After the organ removal, the
practitioners were thrown into an incinerator,  which was converted from a
boiler. Their ashes were dumped together with burned  charcoal.
Organs from Three Quarters of the 6,000 People Were Removed
Those whose organs were removed were in various states of health. Because
many  of the victims were illegally detained, there was neither an arrest
warrant nor  identification as to who these people actually were. Often
after their organs  were removed, nobody claimed the bodies. Sometimes
their bodies were picked up  by crooks who pretended to be their family
About three-quarters of the 6,000 people died after their hearts, kidneys,
corneas, or skin was removed; their bodies were then burned. This
witness, whose  family member participated in the removal of Falun Gong
practitioners' organs,  said that approximately 2,000 Falun Gong
practitioners remain in the hospital.  She was afraid that the authorities
would kill all of them to destroy evidence.  The Liaoning Provincial
Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western  Medicine is located
at 49 Xuesong Road, Sujiatun, Shenyang City, Liaoning  Province, China. It
was the first hospital in China to specialize in the heart,  the brain,
and surrounding blood vessels. The hospital is composed of several
organizations, including the Liaoning Traditional Chinese Medicine College
Teaching Hospital and the Shenyang Thrombosis Treatment Center.
Concentration Camp Details
The hospital site is 21,087 square meters, with 17,564 square meters of
building  area. It employs 460 people in 24 departments and 20 specialized
offices.  Information from the Chinese government shows that the hospital
was established  in December 1988, and was formerly named the Shenyang
Research Institute of  Thrombosis and Liaoning Province Thrombosis
Treatment Center of Integrated  Chinese and Western Medicine. In June
1998, it was renamed China Traditional  Medicine Thrombosis Treatment
The Chinese Business Morning View said in a story on July 4, 2004, that a
farm  worker died of abnormal causes in Sujiatun, Shenyang and was later
cremated. The  death certificate was provided by the Chinese Medicine
Thrombosis Treatment  Center in Sujiatun. The news caused a stir in China.

A copy of the death certificate. (The Epoch Times Archives Photo)Below is
the  transcript of an Epoch Times reporter's interview with the former
staff member  of the Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated
Chinese and Western  Medicine in Sujiantun, Shenyang City. Questions were
posed by the reporter and  answered by the staff member being interviewed.
Epoch Times: Did the hospital's medical staff inside the concentration
camp know  about this?
Answer: This hospital has a small number of officials and some doctors
involved  secretively in the operation of organ harvesting. Some other
staff in the  hospital knew about this, but this is absolutely a taboo [to
talk about]. They  all are afraid of being killed or courting trouble, so
they all avoid the issue.  Only those highly trusted doctors could be
chosen to be the surgeons for organ  harvesting operations.
ET: Were Falun Gong practitioners alive when their organs were harvested?
Did  their families know about this?
Answer: Falun Gong practitioners who were imprisoned there came mostly
from  Dabei Prison, Masanjia Labor Camp, and other prisons in Shenyang, or
they were  Falun Gong practitioners arrested in parks or residential
homes. Because they  refused to denounce Falun Gong, they were arrested
without formal warrants, and  their families did not know their situation.
Many did not even have their names  [recorded]. In addition, since the
Chinese authority exercises a policy of "not  being responsible" for
killing Falun Gong practitioners, the death of Falun Gong  practitioners
is not a very big issue for prisons. The Chinese Communist Party
persecutes Falun Gong, [but] these medical personnel were told Falun Gong
practitioners were facing death because they killed people, or they were
sentenced to death because of crimes, or they had become insane from
practicing  Falun Gong.
Those Falun Gong practitioners whose organs were harvested came from
various  places.
Organs harvested from live bodies are worth far more than organs taken
from dead  bodies. Many Falun Gong practitioners were still alive when
their organs were  taken. After their organs were cut out, some of these
people were thrown  directly into the crematorium to be burnt, thus
leaving no evidence. For some  others, after their organs were stolen, the
doctor sewed up the wound and asked  the family or family representative
to give a signature for cremation. Family  members did not know at all
that the dead had their organs taken out.  Furthermore, there were some
healthy Falun Gong practitioners in prisons in  other areas who were
injected—without their knowledge—with psychoactive drugs  that made their
minds confused. They then were transferred to Sujiantun  concentration
camp to suffer further torture, till in the end their organs were
harvested and their bodies were cremated in secret.
Among the Falun Gong practitioners whose organs were harvested, some were
weak  and some were healthy. Since most of them were illegally arrested,
there were no  arrest warrants or identification cards. After their organs
were taken out while  they were still alive, no one came to claim their
bodies; or [sometimes] people  using fake identities claimed their bodies.
None of these people have come out [of the concentration camp] alive;
three-quarters of these 6,000 people have died, having their hearts,
kidneys,  retinas, and skins harvested and their bodies disposed of. I
think now about  2,000 Falun Gong practitioners are still in this
hospital, and I am afraid now  that the authority will destroy all
evidence and kill them.
Question: How did you know these things? Were you yourself a doctor
involved in  organ harvesting?
Answer: I worked at the Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of
Integrated  Chinese and Western Medicine, Shenyang. This is exactly where
this concentration  camp is located. One of my family members was involved
in the operation to  harvest Falun Gong practitioners' organs. This has
brought great pain to our  family.
Question: Please tell us what you knew about.
Answer: From 2001, our hospital started to detain Falun Gong
practitioners. At  the beginning, these people were detained in the
single-storey houses in the  back yard of the hospital. Later, the
hospital authorities demolished the  single-storey houses, and it was
unknown where in the hospital the Falun Gong  practitioners were
transferred. Many staff of the hospital discussed in private  that these
Falun Gong practitioners had been secretly transferred to the  underground
chambers of the hospital. According to some people working inside  the
hospital, the hospital has a huge system of secret underground chambers.
At the time when we went to work there, the person in charge of logistics
and  purchasing in the hospital said that the quantity of disposable
sterile gloves  used for operations and daily supplies that the hospital
authorities asked to be  purchased had increased dramatically. The
logistics people estimated based on  the scale of purchases at that time
that there were at least 6,000 Falun Gong  practitioners detained in this
These Falun Gong practitioners were not detained in the 4-story building
under  the in-patient department and administration at the front of the
hospital, in  order to keep the hospital staff from seeing them at all. We
only occasionally  saw Falun Gong practitioners being sent on a mobile
intensive care bed to the  first floor for physical examinations. These
people were very weak. For the  majority of the Falun Gong practitioners,
nobody knew where they were being  secretly kept. While they still did not
know where these people were kept, some  staff inquired to the hospital
authorities about why so much food and so many  sterile gloves and daily
supplies were purchased. The hospital authorities said,  "You only need to
do your job well. There is no need for you to ask any other  questions."
Starting in 2001, a family member of mine participated in organ-harvesting
operations. My family member tried to keep me from knowing about this at
the  beginning. The hospital authorities selected doctors they trust in
different  aspects to perform the secretive operations. After a period of
time, I found  that my family member was in a lot of pain, often had
nightmares, and appeared  panic-stricken. After repeated inquiries, this
family member told me the truth.  The leader of the hospital had asked my
family member to participate in the  organ harvesting operations on Falun
Gong practitioners as early as 2001. It was  2003 when my family member
confessed. A few years after, my family member felt  so much pain from
participating in this incident that it was impossible to  continue with
the evildoing. My family member decided to go abroad to get away  from
this matter.
My family member also told me: "you don't understand my suffering; those
Falun  Gong practitioners were alive. It might be easier for me if they
were dead, but  they were alive."
Question: Were there any other doctors from the hospital taking part in
the  operations of cutting out Falun Gong practitioners' organs?
Answer: I know there were some. All these things have been carried out
secretly.  Many doctors at our hospital involved were practicum doctors
transferred from  other hospitals. Because the government does not want to
be responsible for  Falun Gong practitioners' bodies and lives, their
lives are treated as garbage  by the regime, and their bodies were used in
experiments by new doctors doing  their practitcums.
Many doctors came and left the hospital because they suffered a lot after
having  been involved in these kinds of things. They either requested to
be transferred  to other places, or changed their names. Some might have
been killed to  eliminate the evidence, their identity files were taken
out from the hospital's  filing system, or their names were changed.
Nobody knows where the doctors have  gone.
The hospital staff all know that the rear part of the hospital is
forbidden. It  is always watched. The staff avoids talking about the
Question: It is said the hospital is equipped with an incinerator. The
person  whose organs were removed will be burned when he or she is still
alive. Is that  true?
Answer: The employees in our hospital call this place "the incinerator."
Actually, it is a boiler room. Some poor farmers from nearby places were
hired  to work in the boiler room. They were penniless when they first
came here. But  they could scrape up some watches, finger rings,
necklaces, and so on. The  amount is not small. It is said by the
employees in the hospital these jewelry  and watches were collected from
the Falun Gong practitioners whose organs had  been removed when they were
about to be thrown in the boiler to be burned. It is  also said by the
employees in the hospital, some were still alive when being  thrown into
the boiler.
Question: Do they get injection of anesthetic when in surgery?
Answer: Yes. There is a cap to the anesthetic quantity used in mainland
China's  hospitals. Generally, the supply of anesthetic was determined
according to the  accommodation of the hospital. To the public, the number
of patients in our care  appears to be very small, and publicly reported
number of surgical procedures  performed is quite low. But the equipment
and articles used in surgery are  abundant. Because the amount of
anesthetic is limited, these secret surgeries  could not use the normal
anesthetic doses. In order to save anesthetic, they  economized on the
anesthetic used in surgeries on these Falun Gong  practitioners. The
amount of anesthetic used was very small. However, many whose  organs were
removed were still alive. You can imagine the pain suffered by the  Falun
Gong practitioners whose organs were removed.
Question: Are there any survivors among the 6,000 people detained since
2001?  Answer: Nobody has come out alive. The number of them gets smaller
and smaller.  The Falun Gong practitioners detained at Sujiatun are fewer
now than before. But  I believe that the sin of removing the organs of the
Falun Gong practitioners is  still continuing.
Question: Where are these organs usually sold to? Do the higher
authorities in  the government know about this?
Answer: They are mainly sold to Thailand, but I believe they are also sold
to  other regions of the world. Nowadays, there are many patients in China
who need  human skin, corneas, and kidneys for organ transplant surgeries.
Many patients  have to wait in line to purchase organs. Currently, a
kidney can be sold up to  the price of 30,000 to 100,000 U.S. dollars. The
profit from selling organs is  simply too great. The people who benefit
from this are not only the top leaders  of hospitals and the officials of
the Chinese Communist Party's Heath  Department. This is a crime present
across the entire nation. People ranging  from government officials to
doctors to organ sellers are all involved in this  and are profiting
Question: Why did they target Falun Gong practitioners as the source of
organs?  Answer: Because relatives of many Falun Gong practitioners don't
even know that  their family members were arrested. So if the Falun Gong
practitioners are  killed, there will be no one to come and claim their
dead bodies.  Question: Why did you want to expose this? This may bring
great danger to you.  Answer: I know that there are many Falun Gong
practitioners who are currently  detained at the hospital. I would like to
expose this to the international  community, so those who are not yet
killed can be saved. Also, I would like to  expose this as an atonement
for my family.
I am not a Falun Gong practitioner. But as a former staff member of the
hospital, I have the responsibility to expose the truth, and let the world
to  save those Falun Gong practitioners who are still alive. Organs of
some Falun  Gong practitioners are still living on patients' bodies. I
would like to call on  all society to pay attention to this issue and stop
this shocking crime.

By Ji Da

Mar 17, 2006


KapiDhwaja said...

The Chinese under the communists show a markedly cruel 'Asuric' tendency. They get along very well with the equally 'Asuric' Islamic religion, by forming an alliance of convenience. Also Islam has Friday as their holy day, which in Hinduism is named 'Shukravaar', after 'Shukracharya' the Guru of the Asuras. Incidently China executes the most number of prisoners in the world every year(guess about 5000+ every year). And Saudi Arabia beheads the most number of people every year.

A Chinese friend once told me that not everyone eats foetuses. Only a small percentage of the population does. Still it is no excuse. It is disgusting to say the least.

Atleast one can hope the Chinese will transform into a better society once the communists are overthrown. Protests such as the Tiananmen gives one hope. But there is no such hope for Islamic countries.

bobby fletcher said...

China is not as bad as made out to be. I have been there, have you?

Here is more news that has since aired on the authenticity of the allegation:,5744,18669046%255E7583,00.html

"Initial investigations by researchers for a US congressional committee have identified the site at Sujiatun as a hospital, where it is suspected organ harvesting occurs but on nowhere near the scale claimed"

Now, if there is no concentration camp, rather isolated instances of abuse and irregularity contrary to Chinese law, then there exists a very different reality than what's alleged.

The congressional committee on International relations, Asia Pacific subcommittee has been contacted. However they seem to be unwilling to help. It may be our government's wish to remain ambiguous on this issue.

My opinion is if this allegation is false, we need to make that clear, so we in the West can not be accused of allowing our ambiguity to be exploited for some nefarious, well-timed, political indictment.

Looks like efforts may be needed to make FOIA request to congressional committee. Private citizens without substantial resource and time will likely meet a lost cause.

There are also many questionable issues surround this allegation:

- Many details about the alleged camp site appears to be lifted from the hospital website's About page, including the alleged number of victims, 6000, which is part of the admission statistics published by the hospital in 2005 (2nd paragraph of About page).

- Hong Kong newspaper TaKungPao investigated the allegations and came up empty:
1) Reporters visited the hospital; the only underground structure found is the septic tank:

2) Reporters contacted Lanzhou University, but alleged arrested students' names do not exists in student registry:

- It appears the surprise discovery of an underground tunnel built by japanese army during 1905-1920 period, back in August 2005 could be the inspiration for this twist of fact.

The tunnel was sealed up by the Japanese then and unknown until it was discovered by a photographer from the 918 WWII museum working in Sujiatun.

When it was discovered in 2005 the tunnel was half *under water*, above link has a picture of it so everyone can get a good idea how this tunnel can, before its discovery in 2001, hold 6000 people,
plus an army of skilled transplant surgeons, nurses, 500-700 jail guards - equipment, rations, and supplies for nearly 10,000 people - all of them eating drinking defecating on top of each other.

And the amazing thing is Sujiatun is a populated close suburb of Shenyang city, with over 150 foreign company and 50-60 foreign family too - "nobody goes in and out of the concentration camp"?

More info about the tunnel, including dimension of the facility:

"after jumping down and passing two holes, we arrive at the entrance of the underground facility. The hallway is 2 meters long and only wide enough for one person. After the hallway is a wider 8 square meter area. After 5 meters we arrrive at 3 meter wide, 2 meter tall underground structure. Cement covers the walls, it's flooded with water 1 meter deep. the structure is about 4 meter under ground, with some of the walls crumbling.

According to Wang TsenJie who discovered it, from above ground estimation it is 2000 meter long [with widest point @ 3 meter], half completely flooded. Water is clear with fish that have no eyes. Some ammunition and human remains have been found [human remain from WWII.]"

(get help from if you can't read Chinese. It ain't a billion people's fault.)

(Just for comparison Guantanamo Bay is a huge base, and it only holds 700 detainees.)

bobby fletcher said...

US investigators find no evidence of Sujiatun concentration camp:

"Officers and staff from our embassy in Beijing and consulate in Shenyang have visited the area and the specific site mentioned in these reports on two separate occasions," McCormack said.

"In these visits the officers were allowed to tour the entire facility and grounds and found no evidence that the site is being used for any function other than as a normal public hospital."

This finding was reported by The Australian weeks prior:,20867,18669046-7583,00.html

"It appears the claims by Falun Gong have been at least substantially exaggerated. Initial investigations by researchers for a US congressional committee have identified the site at Sujiatun as a hospital, where it is suspected organ harvesting occurs but on nowhere near the scale claimed"