navyashastra is a christist front. anytime anyone starts screeching about harijans, you know it's funded by christists.
i find it very funny when tamils scream about anti-harijan atrocities. guess who's responsible? it's not the tam-brahms, it's the mudaliars, nadars, naickers, and other middle-castes/OBCs who are the DMK, and who have benefited from all the so-called 'social justice', which is newspeak for DMK's 30% cut of all spending.
also, is the practice of uncle-niece marriage still popular among the DMK types? shouldn't that be condemned as a) incest, b) child abuse, c) female abuse? someone who knows tamil nadu well please comment on this. i am pretty sure DMK types approve of this. after all, the ancient mariner evramaswamy naicker himself married, at the age of 65 or something, a girl who was barely 18. jailbait.
incidentally, isn't dowry a big deal among tamil christists too? i believe it is among nadar christists in kanyakumari district. it certainly is among kerala christists -- they give the biggest dowries in the country. and what exactly has the church done about it? zip. nada. zilch. nothing.
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From: sri
To:
"We at Navyashastra should start referring to caste and dowry abuse as human
rights issues and crimes against humanity.
International law requires the state to act against human rights abuses and
crimes against humanity. The onus is on the state, to take *sufficient
steps*. While caste discrimination is unlawful in India, I do not see that
India has taken 'sufficient steps' to reduce or halt these atrocities.
Clearly India is in the box!
International law says sovereignty is not a privilege, but a
responsibility, and the Responsibility to Protect doctrine first obligates
individual states and then the international community, to take the
necessary steps."
Re: [NavyaShastra] Re: Crimes Against Humanity and R2P
On 12/29/10, Pathmarajah <pathma@siddha.com.my> wrote:
From: sri
To:
Dravidian hatemonger Pathmarajah screams:
"We at Navyashastra should start referring to caste and dowry abuse as human
rights issues and crimes against humanity.
International law requires the state to act against human rights abuses and
crimes against humanity. The onus is on the state, to take *sufficient
steps*. While caste discrimination is unlawful in India, I do not see that
India has taken 'sufficient steps' to reduce or halt these atrocities.
Clearly India is in the box!
International law says sovereignty is not a privilege, but a
responsibility, and the Responsibility to Protect doctrine first obligates
individual states and then the international community, to take the
necessary steps."
Full message
Re: [NavyaShastra] Re: Crimes Against Humanity and R2P
On 12/29/10, Pathmarajah <pathma@siddha.com.my> wrote:
Friends,
As I said I will be posting looking at things from a large and different
angle, and not just responding to the HAF article and responses.
For too long we have made a subtle difference between caste and caste abuse.
This tends to dilute and localise the abuse. It would be better if caste =
abuse, because there is no way to prevent abuse once there is
differentiation or distinctions. Discrimination is already subtly built into
caste differentiation.
I have read on ethnic cleansing, and it is described as a 'process'. This
process involving several distinct steps, which starts with identification
(labels, etc), discrimination, then marginalisation, then, then pogroms, and
finally genocide. This entire process is called 'ethnic cleansing'.
In the caste system and its abuse, the first four steps already exist,
leaving only genocide. This means that according to textbook definition
there is ethnic cleansing in India, of dalits and women. The minute there is
identification and discrimination, it means the process of ethnic cleansing
has started.
And the problem continues unabatedly since independence. In 2000 there were
29,000 crimes against dalits. In 2009 it is 33,000. Dowry deaths hovers
between 6,000 - 15,000 annually.
Both caste and dowry are part of Hindu culture.
Culture spawns from Hindu philosophical thinking, the Hindu worldview.
Isolated inhumane acts may constitute grave infringements of human rights.
We are all agreed that caste crimes are a human rights problem; it should be
described as such, and that we have to acknowledge that India has been
failing in preventing this.
But when such isolated cases is widespread, recurs, in numbers, then it is
no longer a mere human rights problem, but a large one called Crimes Against
Humanity. As I wrote;
"Crimes against humanity are particularly odious offences in that they
constitute a serious attack on human dignity, grave humiliation or a
degradation...and *reach the threshold of crimes against humanity* only if
they are part of a widespread practice."
There IS widespread practise in India!
We at Navyashastra should start referring to caste and dowry abuse as human
rights issues and crimes against humanity.
International law requires the state to act against human rights abuses and
crimes against humanity. The onus is on the state, to take *sufficient
steps*. While caste discrimination is unlawful in India, I do not see that
India has taken 'sufficient steps' to reduce or halt these atrocities.
Clearly India is in the box!
International law says sovereignty is not a privilege, but a
responsibility, and the Responsibility to Protect doctrine first obligates
individual states and then the international community, to take the
necessary steps.
As I said I will be posting looking at things from a large and different
angle, and not just responding to the HAF article and responses.
For too long we have made a subtle difference between caste and caste abuse.
This tends to dilute and localise the abuse. It would be better if caste =
abuse, because there is no way to prevent abuse once there is
differentiation or distinctions. Discrimination is already subtly built into
caste differentiation.
I have read on ethnic cleansing, and it is described as a 'process'. This
process involving several distinct steps, which starts with identification
(labels, etc), discrimination, then marginalisation, then, then pogroms, and
finally genocide. This entire process is called 'ethnic cleansing'.
In the caste system and its abuse, the first four steps already exist,
leaving only genocide. This means that according to textbook definition
there is ethnic cleansing in India, of dalits and women. The minute there is
identification and discrimination, it means the process of ethnic cleansing
has started.
And the problem continues unabatedly since independence. In 2000 there were
29,000 crimes against dalits. In 2009 it is 33,000. Dowry deaths hovers
between 6,000 - 15,000 annually.
Both caste and dowry are part of Hindu culture.
Culture spawns from Hindu philosophical thinking, the Hindu worldview.
Isolated inhumane acts may constitute grave infringements of human rights.
We are all agreed that caste crimes are a human rights problem; it should be
described as such, and that we have to acknowledge that India has been
failing in preventing this.
But when such isolated cases is widespread, recurs, in numbers, then it is
no longer a mere human rights problem, but a large one called Crimes Against
Humanity. As I wrote;
"Crimes against humanity are particularly odious offences in that they
constitute a serious attack on human dignity, grave humiliation or a
degradation...and *reach the threshold of crimes against humanity* only if
they are part of a widespread practice."
There IS widespread practise in India!
We at Navyashastra should start referring to caste and dowry abuse as human
rights issues and crimes against humanity.
International law requires the state to act against human rights abuses and
crimes against humanity. The onus is on the state, to take *sufficient
steps*. While caste discrimination is unlawful in India, I do not see that
India has taken 'sufficient steps' to reduce or halt these atrocities.
Clearly India is in the box!
International law says sovereignty is not a privilege, but a
responsibility, and the Responsibility to Protect doctrine first obligates
individual states and then the international community, to take the
necessary steps.
So, it is not just an a problem that concerns India. It is of worldwide
concern. It is the concern of Navyashatra, and HAF, and the UN.
"If the State is unable to protect its population on its own, the
international community has a responsibility to assist the state. If a State
is manifestly failing to protect its citizens from mass
atrocities and peaceful measures are not working, the international
community has the responsibility to intervene at first diplomatically,
then more coercively, and as a last resort, with military force."
I do not think anyone would dispute that India is not 'manifestly failing',
as the records show otherwise.
Concerned parties may petition the UNSC to appoint a Tribunal. (Of course
India would shoot it down!) But we have to exhaust this necessary step.
Then, the concerned parties can petition the Sec-Gen of the UN to appoint
his own Tribunal on Crimes against Humanity, and he is legally bound to do
so, and there are precedents for this.
We have long passed the stage of the quest for social and spiritual equality
within the Hindu fold. Events have overtaken us. Widespread killings abound!
Regarding the Mahabharata and Ramayana, it will be offered to any Tribunal
as evidence of religion sanctioned discrimination. It will be interesting to
hear what the tribunal judges have to say.
Regarding ethnic cleaning in Malaysia, we have appointed a Queens Counsel.
Regarding the Tamil Eelam Genocide we have appointed international law
experts and we are exhausting the various channels.
India is not getting into the UNSC anytime soon, what with the genocide and
the crimes against humanity.
The law and tools are there. There can be no excuse.
Pathma
concern. It is the concern of Navyashatra, and HAF, and the UN.
"If the State is unable to protect its population on its own, the
international community has a responsibility to assist the state. If a State
is manifestly failing to protect its citizens from mass
atrocities and peaceful measures are not working, the international
community has the responsibility to intervene at first diplomatically,
then more coercively, and as a last resort, with military force."
I do not think anyone would dispute that India is not 'manifestly failing',
as the records show otherwise.
Concerned parties may petition the UNSC to appoint a Tribunal. (Of course
India would shoot it down!) But we have to exhaust this necessary step.
Then, the concerned parties can petition the Sec-Gen of the UN to appoint
his own Tribunal on Crimes against Humanity, and he is legally bound to do
so, and there are precedents for this.
We have long passed the stage of the quest for social and spiritual equality
within the Hindu fold. Events have overtaken us. Widespread killings abound!
Regarding the Mahabharata and Ramayana, it will be offered to any Tribunal
as evidence of religion sanctioned discrimination. It will be interesting to
hear what the tribunal judges have to say.
Regarding ethnic cleaning in Malaysia, we have appointed a Queens Counsel.
Regarding the Tamil Eelam Genocide we have appointed international law
experts and we are exhausting the various channels.
India is not getting into the UNSC anytime soon, what with the genocide and
the crimes against humanity.
The law and tools are there. There can be no excuse.
Pathma
7 comments:
Its interesting that this Pathmarajah lives in Malaysia yet has no interest in speaking out against the legally sanctioned apartheid against non Malays and non Muslims especially the Hindus but is more interested in matters in India.
That should tell you quiet a bit about who his paymasters might be.
Ref:
Navyashatra is not a Christist front. The members are of the genre of Hindus who are ignorant and not interested in any deep understanding of Hindu traditions. At the same thime, they are also under the corrosive influence of western, colonial and christian agenda and way of thinking.
Navyashatra members as a result they end up serving the missionary, anti Hindu cause. Without thinking they by default adopt the position opposite to that of many Hindu organizations and Hindu beliefs.
Eg They complain the women are not allowed in Sabarimalai. Without studying the reasons. There are some temples/functions (Makam Thozhal" at the Chottanikkara Bhagavathy temple) which are exclusive to women. But here they do not complain of discrimination towards men? Why.
It should also be note many household functions can only be done by women (being the Lakshmy of the house).
In other words Navyashastra comprise half baked Hindus dishing out unwanted advices to the Hindu public while falling for the evangelistic trap to denigrate and put Hinduism in negative light.
Without knowing who the paymasters for this front are it is difficult to say if they are misguided or paid mercenaries.
However, it is quite clear that they are Hinduphobes masquerading as Hindus.
the uncle niece marriage is the norm here,.. its the social culture in the entire south india..
however all those rumblings of navyashastra is bullshit.. its blind allegations, or malicious propoganda..
The jaathis are peacefully co-existing in india, and it is these people who are instigating one against the other..
Its time we expose their designs..
I had a chat with a naadar guy last week.. he told, that the churches in southern tamilnadu maintain separate congregation for nadars and SCs.. and there would separate priests for these churches, predominantly from the same caste.. at the higher level they are under control of a bishop..
There are many things going on there.. the christian nadars would marry within their own caste, and follow the same gothra pattern..
And there is a dirty side of the fathers.. since many church attending girls/married women come to the fathers privately for forgiveness, he would lure them and seduce them.. and the justification is given like since they are under the service of jesus, mating with them is like directly serving jesus, and hence its NOT a sin.. LOL..
I dont know why hindu organisations dont expose such things in the christian churches..
Particularly, there are so many treasure hunts for the hindu organisations, they can get in the Trichy Bishop Convents and Nun colleges.. probably on a daily basis.. this was told to me by a poor christian family who was denied help by the parishers..
factual error, right angle: so far as i know, uncle-niece marriages are strictly a tamil middle-caste phenomenon. it certainly would be considered absolutely appalling in kerala. in fact, any uncle who did this would probably be lynched.
on the other hand, kerala does have a tradition of first-cousin marriage, which others i am sure would consider appalling. some attribute the large number of 'useful idiots' in kerala to this consanguinous marriage practice :-)
julian, whoever you are, i forgot to mention how impressed i am by your knowledge. same with siouxsie. thank you for posting your comments here, both of you.
ha I am a small fish compared to some of the others like Sarvesh who runs the bharatendu blog.
On a side note I had known that in Kerala uncle-niece was not prevalent (except among the Tambrams who settled there).
In Andhra it is not very common and as you said first cousin marriage is more prevalent though nowhere near the majority.
However both are genetically harmful and need to be phased out through education. I would say its already happening as people are becoming more aware of the biological problems associated with it.
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