Tuesday, December 21, 2010

exchange with dhume on wsj article etc

dec 21st, 2010

please ignore other stuff in twitter timeline. would take me too long to cut those out.

RajeevSrinivasa 
instead, we have poseurs. nice exchange, thanks, must go now. RT
@dhume01
@RajeevSrinivasa
: Yes, we need an Indian Hitchens or Sam Harris.
dhume01 @RajeevSrinivasa
: Yes, we need an Indian Hitchens or Sam Harris.
RajeevSrinivasa@nikhilnarayanan
 vatican fixed gregorian calendar after consulting kerala astronomers circa 1400. thus infinite series info got to europe
DNA 
Government reduces customs duty on onion imports to zero 
http://bit.ly/...
RajeevSrinivasa @dhume01
 i have no problem with equal-opportunity secularists, say hitchens/dawkins. but most in india one-sided. may you be different :-)
RajeevSrinivasa @dhume01
 not surprising: get crumbs for not criticizing whites; scared of violence from greens. so most secularists do safe thing
dhume01 @RajeevSrinivasa
: Some Indian secularism is indeed that, but not all of it.
RajeevSrinivasa 
secularists criticize only hindus RT
@dhume01
@RajeevSrinivasa
: Of course. I'm for equal-opportunity criticism of all religious extremists.
dhume01 @RajeevSrinivasa
: Of course. I'm for equal-opportunity criticism of all religious extremists.
RajeevSrinivasa @dhume01
 but padre-godmen just an example (to me all padres are godmen :-)). 'secularist' double-standards endemic.
RajeevSrinivasa @dhume01
secularism is such a fraud you ought to run for the hills from it :-) it is basically communalism by other means in india
RajeevSrinivasa @dhume01
surely there should be equal-opportunity criticism of dubious padres? 3 accused of murdering nun for catching them in flagrante
dhume01 @RajeevSrinivasa
: Well, as a secularist myself am not particularly perturbed by criticism of dubious Hindu godmen. We can agree to disagree.
RajeevSrinivasa 
if they go to war, can US/south give china/north bloody nose? RT
@DNA
: Huge South Korea drill likely to infuriate North 
http://bit.ly/...
DNA 
Carter diplomacy failed to stop Pakistan from going nuclear: Documents 
http://bit.ly/...
DNA 
Huge South Korea drill likely to infuriate North 
http://bit.ly/...
RajeevSrinivasa@nikhilnarayanan
 yes, vishu also offset by same 3 weeks from vernal equinox. will write up some time. ancient world dominated by astronomy
RajeevSrinivasa@nikhilnarayanan
 the new year should really start on astronomically significant day like solstice. jan 1 is a totally random day
RajeevSrinivasa @dhume01
reds and secularists pander shamelessly to greens and whites. eg. why isn't dubious padre or mullah insulted as 'godman'?
RajeevSrinivasa @dhume01
what, you don't like words put in your mouth? :-) indian media specialty! simple answer, oxymoron it is, but india is bizarre
dhume01 @RajeevSrinivasa
: Let's not get lawyerly about what I accept and what I don't. I wouldn't do that with you. :-) It's a simple question.
RajeevSrinivasa 
makara sankranti major astronomical event in ancient world. celebration of mitra-utsav in india/iran swiped as xmas for imaginary jesus.
prasannavishy 
Diversity recruitment -its usually Dilli hotties or rapists RT
@ZoomIndianMedia
: Not surprisingly ISI spy in YouthCong
http://bit.ly/...
 via web
 retweeted by barbarindian
RajeevSrinivasa @dhume01
 by your q, you accept white communalism. we agree on that. reds, secularists cravenly appease greens. both also highly casteist.
dhume01 @RajeevSrinivasa
: How are reds and secularists communalist threats? Isn't that oxymoronic?
RajeevSrinivasa 
... (contd) this is the time bhishma waited for on his bed of arrows at kurukshetra. in kali yuga, light may not overcome darkness, alas.
RajeevSrinivasa 
... (contd) because of precession of earth's axis not corrected in 5000 yr old hindu calendar. makara sankranti suggests light over dark...
RajeevSrinivasa 
SOLSTICE. dec 22nd winter solstice, shortest day of year, beginning of uttarayanam, auspicious time. makara sankranti off by 2 weeks (contd)
barbarindian 
About as interesting as getting your tooth pulled: 
http://bit.ly/...
 via TweetDeck
RajeevSrinivasa 
how could they tell the difference? RT
@ZoomIndianMedia
: Not surprisingly, ISI spy enrolled in Youth Congress | 
http://bit.ly/...
barbarindian 
I am not sure euphoria over "Pakistani onions to our rescue" is correct, first - Indian origin, second - we are paying for it.
 via TweetDeck
RajeevSrinivasa @WSJasia
@dhume01
 communalist threats to india are whites, greens, and reds, as well as self-proclaimed 'secularists' and pol-journo nexus
 via web

6 comments:

Sameer said...

Hi Rajeev and others,

It has been quite some time that I visited the blog. I was in US for abt 20 days and have been away from the blog and missing some of the action here.
It would take quite some time to catch up from where I last read.
Hope all is well with everyone and belated happy Winter Solstice :).

nizhal yoddha said...

sameer, welcome back to the blog.

winter solstice, uttarayanam -- all good stuff happening. may you have a good uttarayanam!

maybe the asuras will take a fall :-)

Arvind said...

as for the comment on new year falling on a random day, orthodox christians in the west observe it on jan 14 because they still follow the julian calender.

makara sankranti is not off due to a drift. that is the day when sun enters makara. it is not intended to coincide with winter solstice but with the beginning of the season which starts with the sun entering makara.

nizhal yoddha said...

the error in the hindu calendar is in conflating uttarayanam with makara sankranti. it is the solstice that's drifting backwards because of the precession of the earth's axis (and thus solstices and equinoxes).

you're right that makara sankranti remains the day the sun enters capricorn. thus the indian astrological calendar and astrological months remain correct, whereas the western ones are off (now) by 22 days, thus rendering their astrology totally incorrect.

but uttarayanam, which began on makara sankranti at the time of kurukshetra war, has drifted backwards along with the solstice.

achar calculates that both were on jan 13, 3066 BCE -- thus bhishma died on jan 17, 3066 BCE, just after the makara sankranti and during uttarayanam.

but if it were today, bhishma could die, say, on dec 23rd during uttarayanam, but it would be before the makara sankranti on jan 14th.

Sameer said...

Thanks Rajeev, wishing you the same... and may the asuras take the fall :)

Sita said...

I had been thinking that once upon a time,the Uttarayana Punyakalam,signifying sun's journey to the north[called Winter Solstice by the West],must have been on 13/14 January. It was my conjecture based on what I knew of the significance of the days we celebrate[We also celebrate ,though in a much more muted fashion the DAkshinaya Punyakalam ]. Nice to know about the precession of the axis. In oneway,it is good that they had not changed the Uttarayana Punya Kalam from the Makara Sankaranthi,as it has helped us to understand and help us pinpoint our history based on our Calender,dating our practices,so to speak.