Sunday, July 31, 2005

what i said about british pakistanis a long time ago

jul 31st

i can take some credit for recognizing that the british pakistanis were a class apart quite some time ago.

here's an excerpt from what i wrote on sept 4, 2001, yes, even before 9/11: http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/sep/04rajeev.htm

Despite all the noise made by the 'South-Asia'-wallahs, there is no monolithic culture that encompasses the entire subcontinent. The Muslim cultures of Pakistan and Bangladesh are worlds apart from the composite Indic (Hindu-Buddhist-Jain-Sikh) culture of India. This is evident from the recent race riots in the industrial northern towns of Britain: grim places like Bradford, Barnsley, Oldham, some of which I have had the dubious pleasure of visiting because my sister, a doctor, used to work there.

What is happening in Britain? It is as close to a controlled social experiment as it gets. There is a clear distinction between ghettoized Pakistani- and Bangladeshi-origin, ill-educated, unemployed youth who are rioting in the streets and upwardly-mobile, well-educated, bankers, lawyers and other professionals of Indian origin. As I suggested some time ago in my column, 'Why I am not a South Asian,' Indian-origin Britishers resent being lumped in with these delinquent Pakistani/Bangladeshi types, and they are now vocal about it, too.

With good reason. There is a large gap. The British Indians, like Jewish immigrants in the US, respect education and have strong family values that encourage hard work; they rise through sheer determination and effort. British Pakistanis, like some inner-city blacks and to an extent Hispanics in the US, have become a permanent underclass, hopeless and self-destructive: for often the businesses they destroy through rioting are their own.

According to The Economist of July 14, 2001, 'As well as being the most segregated communities, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis suffer some of Britain's worst poverty and unemployment, and do among the worst in school (Indian pupils, by contrast, do the best).'

Why this gulf between the Indians and the Pakistanis/Bangladeshis? If you were to listen to the 'South-Asia' bleeding-hearts pontificating, you'd believe there was this great commonality between Indians and other subcontinentals. I, on the contrary, have maintained for years that I have absolutely nothing in common with Pakistanis. The experience of the British subcontinentals is scientific support for that sentiment.

The Indians and the Pakistanis originally came to the United Kingdom subject to the very same handicaps: those related to racism and discrimination. Indeed, the British tend to be more racist and obnoxious towards Hindus rather than towards Muslims, because at the very least they can understand Islam, it being quite the twin of their own Christianity, whereas Hinduism is a bewildering and chaotic Other.

Furthermore, we saw during Partition the British desire to help Pakistan: they gave away to Pakistan, against all logic, the Hindu-Sikh-majority city of Lahore; and in Gilgit, British-led Gilgit Scouts raised the Pakistani flag despite its being part of Jammu & Kashmir that had acceded legally to India.

In any case, British subcontinentals toiled away for years, but their destinies could not be more different. The Muslims tended to have far more babies, not to educate their children, and to easily become fundamentalists: for instance there is the curious case of British Pakistani Aurangazeb who 'innocently wandered over the Line of Control into India,' which is Orwellian doublespeak meaning 'terrorist infiltrator.' The Hindus and Sikhs, on the other hand, prospered and moved out of the ghettos in the grimy industrial towns. The obvious difference: religion.

11 comments:

GorgeouslyGeorgina said...
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Anonymous said...

Hey Rajeev..

What are these stupid ads on your blog...r u making money from this?

infww said...

If Rajeev is making money out of it, that would be well deserved. His service to humanity is invaluable. Looks like you are surprised that one can make money to support such activities by allowing ads on one's site.

Perhaps, you only knew one way of making money - blowing yourself up in crowded marketplaces? That also explains the differences between Muslim Indians and other Indians in UK.

Anonymous said...

The issue of the west knowing something about Islam and not knowing much about Hindus is only partially true. the west has historically had a lot of interaction with the arab , persian and the hybrid urdu speaking people.and with the hindus it has not had as much of a interaction. The same can be said of the tamil and malalayam speaking muslims.
after all the way the west got to know about the number system and even 'zero' was through the arabs, who themselves stole from the indians.so it is not right to comment that hindus are chaotic.does it mean hindus are being blamed for not being homogenous like the muslims? hindus have different cultures, traditions and languages because it is the most 'democratized' of religions. the growth and spread of it was not accompanied by armies but by the most serious of philosophical questions about the human condition like the place of the humans in the universe.Gopal

Anonymous said...

Infww.

cool....just got irritated to see the flashy ads here too...anyway good that it is removed.

The same anon again

Dric said...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1187893,curpg-3.cms

Bhutan to make way for the Red Army:That explains why karat was in China?

san said...

Yes, this is one I've been reading about all day, too. I think it's time for a blockade of Bhutan if they're intending on selling us out to the Chinese. The Chinese know full well that the Chicken Neck is our weakest point, and Western Bhutan abuts right onto it. I'm sure Maoputra must be giving the straight-arm salutes right about now. These types of Indians are always happy at the prospect of such bad news for their hotel nation, India.

Anonymous said...

Hi Rajeev,

Bruce Schneier, the noted cryptologist was a victim of plagiarism done by 3 Pakistani researchers.

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/08/plagiarism_and.html

Never heard of such frauds emanating from Indian universities.

Cheers,

Sri

sand_dunes said...

hello Rajeev
mine is issue unrelated to ur Post but very much related that Secular Sonia -prakash Govt Announcing State Mourning For King Fahad So today The Tricolour Will be at Half mast for a playboy who went Paris casino And who was guilty of most gross human rights abuses in the world but i guess better than state mournaning for yasser arafat who was directly invovled in many many killing

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Anonymous said...

"i can take some credit for recognizing that the british pakistanis were a class apart quite some time ago."

You can take credit???? For what: summarising the Economist???


According to The Economist of July 14, 2001, 'As well as being the most segregated communities, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis suffer some of Britain's worst poverty and unemployment, and do among the worst in school (Indian pupils, by contrast, do the best).'