i have mentioned here before the assault on hinduism as 'ecologically
unsound' -- the attack is by the christists. here's an example of
that.
funny, hinduism has existed for 10,000 years without india being
devastated ecologically. because hinduism coexists with nature.
christism, in the other hand, has existed for 1,700 years (from the
council of nicea) and has brought the earth to the verge of complete
ecological ruin. this is based on its glorification of greed and its
casual sanction to rape and pillage the earth. being a desert cult it
doesn't understand the value of nature: its goal is to turn wherever
it goes into a desert.
i have mentioned before the 242nd reason why christism is a dumb cult:
the practice of keeping the moldy remains of their dead in the ground,
occupying space. now let's take a look at the statistics of the damage
that's creating.
each christist will need about 8 ft x 3 ft of space. assume there are
3 billion christists around, and that 10% die every year, ie there are
300 million dead christists per year. 300 million x 24 sq ft = 7200
million sq ft.
converting this into meters, 7200 million sq ft/9 = 800 million sq meters
converting this into kilometers, 800 x 1,000,000 sq m/1000*1000 = 800
square kilometers
this is the amount of space permanently put out of circulation every
year. for ever. this is good agricultural land being converted into
useless eyesores all over the place. and remember this is not marginal
land in some hillside or desert, it's in the middle of good habitable
urban or rural land.
at this rate, in a few centuries, *all* the good agricultural land in
the world will be turned into christist cemeteries! now isn't that an
ecological catastrophe?
and all because of a stupid superstition that their bodies (or the
worm infested dried pieces of bone that remain) will be raised as is
to 'heaven'!
how dumb can you get?
http://www.economist.com/daily/columns/greenview/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9354014&fsrc=nwl
65 comments:
From that article,
>>> For example, an eldest son must break his dead father's skull with a bamboo stick after lighting the pyre.
Rajeev, are these people crazy? Where do they dream up such stupid ideas from?
There is no such thing as breaking the dead father's skull..
DarkStorm
What is KapaalKriya then ?
Sorry Darkstorm, but article is right about son breaking the skull with a bamboo stick. It is important part of the ritual.
If I am not mistaken, the idea is to prevent misuse of the skull by "bad elements" such as practioners of "black magic".
Difficult to get at the skull in a gas-fired crematorium oven! I guess that step is optional when only ashes are left.
This is the stupidest argument I have come across. Before arriving at such ridiculous figures, it would do well for Nizhal Yodha to visit a few churches in his own state and country - Kerala. Each family has a grave which is about 8 feet by 3 feet and about 10 feet deep covered by a Concrete or Granite Slab. Everytime a family member dies, he or she is buried in this grave and the grave is sealed with this removable concrete slab. Over time, the body and the casket disintegrate and only the bones are left. Each grave is used for centuries and serves as a mark of respect for generations to come.
Incidentally, with cremation human greed blinds people and half burnt bodies are dumped in the Ganga. I thought Mr.Rajeev Srinivasan knew a lot about most religions but this shows how shallow is his knowledge - he didn't know what was happening in his own backyard.
Before criticizing a religion, Mr. Srinivasan, it would do well for you to see what the Christian faith has done for India. Why don't you leave your cushy job in San Francisco and go and start a school in interior Bihar or run a dispensary in Madhya Pradesh where even the hardest of criminals fear to tread? Yes, as with every religion, there may be a few black sheep among Christians, but you cannot paint everyone with the same brush.
Andre M Joseph
Northern California.
"Why don't you leave your cushy job in San Francisco and go and start a school in interior Bihar"
The Jains, Parsis and Sikhs per capita run educational institutions in India which number several orders of magnitude larger than the number of schools/colleges run by Christians per capita - and they are doing it without getting large amount of money from the West
It is not a joke - learn to read - I said PER CAPITA. (that means total number of institutions/number of people)
About Sikhs - I don't know about South but every city in the West and North has at least one Sikh institution.
About Jains - The Jains community and monks said right in 1947 itself that "we do not wish to be classified as a minority - we do not want any special privileges - we are to be dealt with as equals" (This concept is alien to the abrahamic mindset- by the way how many indian languages have a word for minority?) Hence unlike christians and muslims, Jain insitutions are not built with STOLEN Hindu taxpayer money (Yes I said stolen and robbed and cheated - nationalising Tirupati/SiddhiVinayak and taking hindu pilgrim money to build mosques/madrassas/churches/christian schools is STEALING AND CHEATING) I am not even including all the govt subsidies you guys GRAB because of article 30 which gibes you special minority privileges. - first build with your own community's money and THEN TALK. All that prime land you guys grabbed in every Indian city during british rule for free - do you pay property taxes on it?
Parsis - the number of parsi institutions is practically equal to the number of Parsis;)
"less than 2.5 percent of India is Christian" now that is the real joke or is it cross taqiyaah
IISC Bangalore was started by Tata's. Its you who is the joker
Who do you think was Homi Bhabha?
Parsi Institutions
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The Tata Institute of Social Sciences is considered to be a pioneer in the Asia-Pacific region in the field of social work education. It has made significant contributions in social policy, planning, intervention strategies and human resource development. It offers post-graduate and doctoral programmes in social sciences, personnel management, industrial relations and health, hospital management and social work. The institute is well-equipped, and has nine teaching departments, eight research units, two resource units, and resource cells.
The Tata Institute of Fundamental Research offers graduate studies and research opportunities in mathematics, natural sciences and computer science.
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Yet another Paris trust, named after the founder of the Tata Group is the Jamshedji Tata Trust, set up in 1974. It bestows grants in areas where innovative efforts are made. The J.N. Tata Endowment, established in 1892, funds higher education for deserving Indian scholars. The latter trust has supported 3,500 scholars and awarded more than Rs.68 million to promising students from various strata of society.
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Or do you think that childrens schools are the "Only" educational institutions (like the Only one?) - is it because children are easier to brainwash - no rate of return (cannot brainwash) running institues of advanced higher learning?
NOT A SINGLE Jain, Parsi or Sikh educational institution ever forces little children to attend "services" in their Derasars, Agiaries or Gurudwaras - so STFU.
Also pull you head out of your southie arse- there is more to India that the South - the parsis settled in West India so obviously most of their institutions are in the Western region. Such an ignoramus who think tat his personal experience and neighborhood can be applied to the WHOLE of India - are you related to dinesh d'souza? maybe you can do a tour of India like the Mahtma - and then write a book - let me sugges a title "discovery of india" LOL
>>> DarkStorm
What is KapaalKriya then ?
>>> Sorry Darkstorm, but article is right about son breaking the skull with a bamboo stick. It is important part of the ritual.
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We dont have any such practices.. Nor have I seen anyone else I know, doing any such thing. Its all bloody propaganda..
To give an example, a Keralite friend once told me that there is a community there where the boy changes his surname after marriage, and not the girl. Does that mean Hindus change the boys surname after marriage?? A section amongst us doing that does not mean that everyone amongst us does it.
I have attended quite a few funerals, and I have not seen any such thing. Maybe its just symbolic, you dont really take a hammer and smash the bones, do you?
And I am a Hindu.
Most Marwari and Gujarathi Jains squeeze the blood out of their employees. They will make a poor man work 16 hours in their steel mills, in the scortching heat of the steel furnace and pay him two dollars a day - and - will not even allow him the comfort of an air circulator.
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I wonder how many Gujaratis or Marwaris own steel mills :) LOLzz..
Pot calling the kettle black, eh?
Your statements reek of casteism and racism, while you keep defending christian practices of conversions by lies, deceit and bribery.
Are you the one who talked about united India ??
>>> Buddy, Christians have land in India because they go to the outskirts of any city and buy land for their organizations.
buy?? Excuse me, did you say "buy"? Wouldnt "grab" be more suitable?
>>> And when you claim it's raining Dollars for Christians, where is the neccessity for them to steal money from Tirupathi
Greed has no limits..
Ok, lets forget all this. Talk about conversions. Why do you then need to convert by bribery and coercion, if you are so sure that you are better than us filthy unwashed Hindus. Let us be, we are happy to be the way we are..
>>>You cannot blame them if the City grows and their land turns into prime real estate. If you have the vision, do it.
You have vision ?? Or you have the minority card?? and extra privileges? Or running conversion centers in the guise of schools..
>> The Parsis were good at Washing the White Man's backside and benefitted in no small measure from this.
Again, the pot calling the kettle black :-) Now, what was it that the Christians did, if not the same thing?
But atleast now, they are much more pro-India (even jerks like Nusli Wadia , jinnahs grandson, are not anti-India as such), they atleast have contributed a lot to India. They too wanted freedom in India. Most of all, they dont go around abusing Hinduism.
>>They forget their sacred religion when they do this.
Do you remember it when you do it??
>> Yes, I think we South Indians are one bit superior coz for some reason or the other, inspite of step motherly treatment from the Center, we seem to be doing very well on the Social index.
Regarding your rants about stepmotherly treatment, its the Hindus who are the most disadvantaged , regardless of north or south.
Do you remember the sister Abhaya case.. Read more of this blog and you will find lot of cases involving rapes and scandals by the church in the South.. Its suprising that the South is doing better socially "inspite of the Christians"
>> We don't have people getting raped in broad daylight in the South.
Or so you think ....
http://signal.nationalinterest.in/archives/chandra/582
Picture of a compulsive protestor..
>> You are just what your name suggests.
Can you get better than drawing conclusions from user id. By the way, how does my id suggest zero in facts ? Please enlighten me :-)
>> 90 percent of Indian Steel Mills are owned by Marwaris and Gujjus.
Err.. My point was - even if all steel mills are owned by them, how many steel mills are there in India ?? Read my post again. Do you feel dumb ??
Is it even more than 0.1% population of Gujaratis or Marwaris ?? Stupid racist..
>> If Christians can grab land so easily, why don't you?
You are forgetting, I am not a Christian, I dont have any minority privileges or jehadi/christian goons support.
>> Why is it that even after such extreme conversion, there are only so few Christians?
Many converts dont show themselves as christians. Its all part of the plan, to avoid the limelight. Very much like how the actual population of muslims is suppressed by the census.
>>> Ther is no point in arguing with people like you. You have absolutely no brains cannot hold an intellectual argument.
Thank you.. please stop commenting then.
>>I've never heard of Christians burning Hindus alive, but vice versa.
Have you ever heard of Hindus forcefully converting Christians ??
Do you recall the Inquisition in Goa, Kerala, Tamilnadu? Or the one in Africa and Latin America?
Better still, read more archives of this blog.
Matthew, it's funny that you should say that Jains/Marwaris enslave people. It's the Christians who took slavery to industrial scale and institutionalized it. Heck, Hitler, a Catholic, even mechanized mass executions. Jains even pay for treatment of sick animals, let alone enslave people. Your envy is obvious; Vatican has trained you but you are still an apprentice. It was only about time that Vatican trained evangelical would come to this forum to spew nonsense.
>>> Can you show me one Hindu who has been "forcefully" converted?
Ok, there you cross the line over to stupidity.
err.. still, to answer you...
can you show me a Christian burnt by a Hindu ?
@abhishek
Please let us calm down and cease from personalized attacks
@matthew
In your wonderful family grave system - do people who (or their ghosts - whatever) are ascending to 'heaven'; say "Excuse Me" to a relative that may be above them ? While death rites may be open to ridicule for all sects ; what I do find objectionable is the Christist right to tell others about how funny (or environmentally bad) they are.
I do think that burnt bodies - with or without cracked skulls - is environmentally healthier that casketed, fully clothed dead bodies in the ground. Or how about the Parsi method of letting the carrion be meat for flesh-eating birds? Andre Joseph said that greedy Hindus dump half-burnt bodies in the Ganaga. Wonder if he has statistics to back up the same - or possibly press-reportage.
Notice that only Hindus are greedy in his scheme - all Christian children open their hearts and pockets wide to bury their dead. That is the kind of Christian arrogance and aggression on other people's human rights (o.k dead human religious rights) which is highly objectionable
>>Why is it that very few people >>run hospitals and schools in >>godforsaken places in India? If >>conversion was the only >>intention,
You obviously have not heard of Ekal Vidyalaya, Vatsalya Gram, SEWA, Sankara Eye Foundation, Rama Krishna mission, Iskcon, IDRF, Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, Sathya Sai Baba, Mata Amritanandamayee etc.
There are thousands more such Hindu charitable institutions doing wonderful work among the underprivileged sections of society in the remotest parts of India. And, they render this service to all, irrespective of religion - and unlike the christian missionaries, do NOT indulge in psychological warfare on the destitute.
And, they do not advertise it unlike the christists, because it is against the Hindu ethos to expect anything in return for philanthropy.
Christian evangelicals are like parasites feeding on the sufferings of the poor. Shame on them - they are worse than any muslim terrorist in this respect.
It is for this reason that punishment of Christian fundamentalists in Iraq, Afghanistan etc is amusing, although human suffering is always unfortunate.
It is typical christian arrogance
to imagine that they have some kind of monopoly on charity, specially education & healthcare.
Why is it that only ghouls like "mother teresa" get publicity for their false charity in the leftist media ?
You christists are free to practise your religion in India.
Just stop your evangelical activities. Stop.
Graham Staines was a fanatic crusader who had overstayed his tourist visa, was in possession of guns without license, was indulging in proselytisation in violation of his expired tourist visa and peddled in hatred of Hindus. Now, if the spineless govt of india cannot take care of anti-national elements like him to protect law & order, how can anyone blame Dara Singh for taking the law into his own hands.
@matthew
Nice pointer - except the report does not say that these are Hindu bodies - floating due to miserliness on the part of their Hindu relatives of not cremating them adequately. So far as I can tell - it does not point to a study that surveys them as Hindus. Perhaps in your world (or more accurately your pal Andre's) the Bhopal Gas Tragedy is an outcome of Hindus cooking food in open firewood places. No?
But - I grant you that it is true - even so - please note that dead Hindus in rivers is the perverted EXCEPTION - dead Christians in the ground is the hallowed NORM.
Based on the numbers cited in your article they fished out 180+48 dead Hindus from the Ghats - in - wait for it - how many years? How many Hindus die every year?
On the other hand - if we start counting Christian bodies taking up valuable land - how many are we likely to find? In fact, with the 'Grave Multiplier Effect' of the Kerala graves you love to talk about - we should just multiply that number by 8 or 10. No? Hindu Malthusian state is an outcome of 'population explosion', but the Chritains never reach that state even when their dead take up valuable land?
As for Hindus not having educational institutions in remote places; ever heard of the D.A.V Institutions? Well - I can actually invert your argument and say that missionaries go to ply their trade in remote areas because that is where folks most susceptible to their conversion agenda reside. Also that is where conversion is least likely to cause media offense. Not convinced? Well why don't we read the report of the Justice Wadhwa Commission on your favorite 'remote missionary' Staines? Here is the pure, unedited version
http://www.hvk.org/specialrepo/wadhwa/main.html
Do read about tribal classes and his attitude to 'prasaadam'
Ha - nice that you mention the case of 'Mother Agnes' - perhaps you will be open to listening to both sides of the argument on this one - just Google "Susan Shields" - are you up to it? I fear not - open-mindedness ends when the Christian demon (holy ghost?) has to be exorcised.
Lastly - I know why Rajeev stirred the hornets nest on this one. It is to counter the glib, self-satisfied attitude of the 'bastard race' that edits the Economist - and loves to run down India and the Hindus (I mean the Bastard comment quite literally - read the history of England and its repeated conquest and pillage). Since they hit below the religious belt - why be surprised when the other hits back? If Hindus burning their dead is energy inefficient then what is Christian burial (with or without bunk-bed style Kerala graves)?
>>Of course, Mother Theresa got a >>lot of publicity, but not of >>the "produce ash out of
>> nothing" kind.
The ghoul of calcutta & most other christist missionaries are not silent, but vocal and excessively self-righteous. Once again, as Swami Vivekananda said - compassion, charity etc are nothing new to Hinduism. They spring from Vedic thought. Christianity does not offer anything unique in that respect.
Well, Sathya Sai Baba may have produced "Ash out of thing". But,then yesu also "Walked on water" or "rose from the dead" and the ghoul also "cured" a healthy woman of cancer.
Those who live in glass houses do not throw stones. Yesu said something similar, so please adhere to that.
Remember what Mahatma Gandhi said about christist missionaries, i.e
"that service is the best, which is rendered for it's own sake"
>>investigated for fraud, child
>> abuse and plain murder.
This is just more unsubstantiated christist propaganda to preserve their own monopoly on charity.
Besides, christist clergymen, all over the world, including western countries have been convicted for fraud, child abuse, murder, rape & paedophilia.
>> And can you at least show me >>one media article which shows >>Graham Staines was eveything
>> you say he is?
The mainstream media will not report such facts because they're controlled by christists and are tools in the evangelical project.
Imagine a Hindu who overstays his visa in any christian country and indulges in illegal gunrunning, religiously motivated violence & hate mongering against the native christists. There has never been a single such case. What gives christists the right to disparage Hinduism.
Now, religion is a personal choice and if someone is personally convinced to accept christism without any external influence, then he/she is entitled to his choice. But, conspiring to alter the demographic character of our nation and destroy a 10,000 year old ancient civilization by christist imperialism is unacceptable.
Practise your faith in your church & in your home. Do not dare enter my home, my place of worship & the public domain to proselytise & disparage mine.
I went to a catholic school for 14 years and experienced a lot of psychological warfare & even physical beatings by the christist "fathers" - all low caste malyali converts, incidentally.
Despite being from an orthodox family, I was never formally educated/indoctrinated in Hindu religion. Yet, there is something very great about the Hindu civilization that comes naturally in our blood - that no mullah/missionary/marxist/macaulayite can ever come close to destroying.
Shame on you for hatemongering.
Shame on you for disparaging the peace loving Hindus.
Shame on your pope who apologised like a sheep, not once, but thrice to the jihadis - for daring to criticise muhammad & islam.
This is incontrovertible evidence that they're just bullies who pick on the weak.
Go, direct your energies at the mullahs who are aiming to destroy your cult all over the world, but first spend some time fighting them in your native kerala where they're outbreeding you.
>>Just don't write something for >>the sake of writing
I don't. I'm willing to respect your right to practise christism, despite the fact that your ancestors may have been converted by force/fraud or allurement.
Just don't get in my face & interfere with my life & my people.
matthew,
your point about Christists running schools and hospitals is an Orwellian claim. You first banned Hindus from running schools and hospitals and monopolized these areas, now you claim that you're doing us a favor!
Here is a reality check for you:
1) You asked about Christist doctors indulging in conversion. A study has found that 96.25% of all Christist doctors in India try to convert their patients by blackmailing them. The most famous incident was a heart surgeon who opened up the chest of the patient and then blackmailed the family into converting to Christism. To do this, they were forced to destroy all the images related to Hinduism and eat beef.
2) Indian Christists converted to Christism because they wanted to be just like the White man. Hinduism has spiritual ideas, Christism is just poppycock and violence perpetrated by some ancient Arab politicians and all those who got indoctrinated by their fiction. Are you telling me that you really believe in that Arab called Jesus getting up from the dead and flying to heaven? Are you nuts or what?
3) Why are we worried about conversion? Because you will commit a genocide once you reach a critical mass. Notice how you carry out violence in Nagaland to make it a Christist theocracy. Yor history is a bloody one. Just because your family members suffered from inferiority complex and wanted to be just like the Whites, they converted to Christism.
4) This inferiority complex manifests itself among Kerala Christists in the form of claiming that they were all brahmins at one time. That is of course not true. Europeans have for long lamented their lack of success in converting brahmins.
>>Why did yo go to a >>Christian School when you claim >>there are a million Hindu schools
Because, it is only now that Hindu society is awakening from 1300 years of subjugation and it is only now gradually acquiring the capability to defend itself against genocide by the muslims & fradulent conversions on the other.
There were no Hindu schools in our area/town at the time. Don't you understand my point about monopoly ?
>> No one is forcing Christianity >>down your throat ?
They are. No public space is free from evangelical propaganda. Schools, Colleges, Hospitals, Railway stations, Airports, etc, in India, even more than the U.S.
Christists are always trying to convert. Forget public spaces, even Hindu temples are not spared.
Missionaries even enter private homes and indulge in hate propaganda just because the Hindus tolerate them. Would they dare to do this to muslims, even in secular India ?
>> you. When you studied in a >>Christian school, how many times >>were you forced to convert to
>> Christianity? Beating was an >>accepted norm in Indian >>education till recently and that
I & other Hindus were constantly subjected to derision, contempt & pysychological warfare - in a not so subtle way.
I resisted & questioned their statements - therefore was caned by these malyali "brothers" & especially targeted for being a Brahmin.
>> You yourself say you are >>confident about the Hinduism in >>your blood. Why then are you
>> worried about conversion at >>all? It simply won't happen. I'd >>like an honest answer from
Because, vigilance is the eternal price of freedom. Everyone is not uniformly endowed with the ability, faculties to recognise & resist christian missionary fraud.
Yes, i'm worried because of the shameless christian missionary strategy of targeting the most vulnerable & destitute sections of Hindu society. I repeat - this is worse than terrorism.
Again, if there is no organised christian conversion activity - there will be no Hindu retaliation, no conflict.
There is a problem only when the missionaries adopt a superior attitude, disparage Hinduism & monopolise charity.
Christianity needs to reform & declare a voluntary unilateral moratorium on conversion efforts by any means, in perpetuity.
Learn from what yesu allegedly said, i.e to love thy neighbour.
Improve upon it for the 21st century, give up your exclusive claims of a passport to heaven.
How is this different from the
MuhhaMAD cult of jihadis, tell me ?
Therefore, please cease your vile aggression & filthy abuse of those with whom you share your ancestors.
Adapt & survive for the world's sake.
Even though, it is a semitic cult -christism has some potential to reform due to the Greco/Roman strains in it's heritage (as opposed to the desert butchers from the middle east).
Despite all the flaws in christism, we Hindus are prepared to forgive you for the genocide by Portuguese in Goa & southern India.
We still allow Graham staines' widow to stay in India, unlike the millions of Hindus who were crucified by the Portuguese conquistadors.
That, in itself is evidence that Hindu civilization is the most tolerant in the world.
Over & out.
mattew you talk nonsense for 2 reasons:
Christian schools stepped in because education in Indian is screwed up. If West was Hindu we would have Hindu schools. Schools are run like a business, they are not doing any favor.They are good in the business of education who is denying that. Atleast some of them.
Dont say all religions are same. Christianty has a very bloody, history. They have killed and massacred to spread, because it was a propaganda initially. And please dont talk about 5 husbands and all without understanding.christ the fountainhead of christianity was a confirmed bastard (virgin mary and all)
I was sent to a christist school because the christists during their
200 odd years of rule in india destroyed all Hindu institutions.
There were no Hindu or genuinely secular schools left. I will make sure that my children & grandchildren never get exposed to christist tyranny.
Yes - i was harassed to convert. it's got nothing to do with quality of "education". It was & is morally wrong to use an institution of learning to propagate religion & poison the minds of the younger generation to
hate/denigrate their own nation & culture.
There's no point trying to reason with you - you have a rigid, closed mind.
The Hindu nation was enslaved for 1300 years. It is slowly, but surely awakening, establishing it's own institutions despite all legal obstacles set up by the Govt of India, which loots Hindu endowments to fund christist missionaries & interferes in/obstructs Hindu institutions.
Hinduism is rising like a phoenix.
The sanatan dharma is just too great. Even the most emaciated, deprived person who converts for a bag of rice offered by a christist does return home.
The family of the current chief justice of the Supreme court of India is a case in point.
Sathya sai baba
may have produced holy ash etc, but he never claimed to be God & he does do wonderful work for the underprivileged in the fields of education & healthcare. That is why, he & Shri Ravi Shankar gets targeted by christist cult men.
Shame on the malyali converts abusing their positions of authority in schools to indugle in pyschochological warfare & child abuse. Now, about the Hare Krishna you keep referring to - there may have been 1 or 2 incidents, But these were perpetrated by white christist converts to Hinduism.
It is obvious where there diabolical characteristics orginate. Hinduism cannot cure such a chronic hate overnight, that's why Hinduism does not seek converts.
I repeat - christist "fathers" are cowards. They are like the carnivorous animals that devour helpless herbivores like the Cow.
Would they dare attack a Tiger or a Crocodile for meat ? That analogy is applicable here.
I'm not avoiding your questions.
I've seen too many of these evangelical types. I went to an engineering college in Bangalore, there too, in the hostel, there was the most unchygienic pig i've ever seen - a malyali christist, trying to bully a weak kid into converting. He would have succeeded, but for me.
Enlightened Hindus like me are doing a lot to help our underprivileged brethren in India.
Christists like your fellow malyali christist, Biju Mathew are theatened by that, hence concoct more fraudulent allegations.
Please request your missionary friends to stop these and compete fairly. You can throw all the mud you want to at the Hindu dharma - it won't stick. There are thousands of examples of christist
"fathers" indulging in paedophilia, adultery, sodomy, rape, financial swindling etc, in America, in Europe, in India & everywhere else.
Jerry falwell etc in the US, don't they own tv channels, yachts, cadillacs etc ? And why did the ghoul of calcutta collect millions & not use it for real charity ?
Because, it suits the mullah/missionary/marxist poverty
industry to keep india poor, weak, defenceless. If India progresses a little, then they incite caste hatred & reservation conflicts, subjugate it through fraudulent nuclear deals & target it with violent acts of terror.
Therefore, you see that in the more enlightened developed countries, christism is dying a natural death.
That is why, I again request you to think a little before abusing your own ancestors. Why is it that Christians in Europe can acknowledge & celebrate their Greek/Roman/Pagan roots - but christists in india hate their ancestry so much ?
It is because, in india, christists have been conned by their colonial masters into negating, deriding their own ancestral religion & culture.
Even now, there is hope for the christist missionaries.
Declare a voluntary unilateral moratorium on conversions, in perpetuity & apologise for the Goa inquisition. Apologise & repent for inciting caste hatred in India over the past 300 years.
Apologise for desecrating & demolishing Hindu temples & burying
Xavier & Thomas & come clean on the false miracles of the ghoul of calcutta.
Otherwise, christist missionaries will have only themselves to blame.
Mathew, you will be warmly welcomed
back home too. Please give it a thought with a calm mind.
I do not wish to personally attack you. Think, what are the circumstances of your being a christist. Were your ancestors
converted by force/fraud/allurement or all of the above ? If so, it is not your fault. I bear no enemity to you personally. Come home to the Sanatana Dharma - it is your heritage, your civilization of thousands of years. Come, your ancestors will be proud of you for rectifying this unfortunate quirk of history.
matthew,
Don't evade the issue. I posted the truth.
Christists need to apologize for getting a law passed to prevent Hindus from running schools and then monopolizing this sector.
BTW, Christist schools are useless. People who study there are not the top rankers in IIT entrance exams or medical college entrance tests. Nor do they make it to IAS.
Also, you need to answer on the inferiority complex that makes you believe absolute fiction. Just because you are thrilled that your god Jesus is a white man, you are a Christist.
We all know that Christists make allegations against people of every other religion. People of other religion are used to your lies. So don't tell me about what some White Christist wrote about Sai Baba. I am sure your White Christist masters wrote similar stuff about others too, but they are the ones who indulge in disgusting criminal acts.
The part about the heart surgeon is true. This was a well known event in the 80s.
Did you see the youtube video of a Christist named Pallekonda getting arrested for making a barbaric murderous assault on a Hindu for being a Hindu? He was the presient of FIACONA and FIACONA did not condemn him as a criminal, but instead blamed the victim and his supporters. This is what Christism is about.
BTW, you are a Christist just because some White guy decreed in the 4th century that there was a character called Jesus? You are crazy.
Maybe you too should try practicing what you preach. Take time off to think and realize what Indian Christians are doing in India. Don�t judge them by a few crooks who dunk people in water and use the pictures to get dollars into their pockets. Let�s take it my ancestors were coerced, allured and forced to convert to Christianity. I�m perfectly happy in my faith and that�s what matters to me.
Arvind said...
matthew,
You Mr. Arvind, I have nothing to say to you. You are beyond human comprehension when it comes to your imagination and I am only human, not superhuman.
Don't evade the issue. I posted the truth.
Christists need to apologize for getting a law passed to prevent Hindus from running schools and then monopolizing this sector.
BTW, Christist schools are useless. People who study there are not the top rankers in IIT entrance exams or medical college entrance tests. Nor do they make it to IAS.
Also, you need to answer on the inferiority complex that makes you believe absolute fiction. Just because you are thrilled that your god Jesus is a white man, you are a Christist.
We all know that Christists make allegations against people of every other religion. People of other religion are used to your lies. So don't tell me about what some White Christist wrote about Sai Baba. I am sure your White Christist masters wrote similar stuff about others too, but they are the ones who indulge in disgusting criminal acts.
The part about the heart surgeon is true. This was a well known event in the 80s.
Did you see the youtube video of a Christist named Pallekonda getting arrested for making a barbaric murderous assault on a Hindu for being a Hindu? He was the presient of FIACONA and FIACONA did not condemn him as a criminal, but instead blamed the victim and his supporters. This is what Christism is about.
BTW, you are a Christist just because some White guy decreed in the 4th century that there was a character called Jesus? You are crazy.
arvind is right
why do the christists who post on this blog turn out to be brainwashed idiots who post the same inanities all the time? it is so consistent it is clearly not something they thought through, it is something they are spoonfed. this must be part of the program they imbibe regularly. naturally, it doesn't occur to them to question, blind faith being their thing.
i have responded to their standard idiocies before, but here goes again.
myth 1.
christists have done some great thing by setting up schools and hospitals.
answer. it's like injecting someone with AIDS, then selling him AIDS medicine at very high cost, and acting all smug and holy about it. christists *destroyed* our schools and hospitals, and stole $10 trillion from us. now they set up schools etc, and charge us big bucks to study there, or create an army of anti-national traitors by brainwashing people studying there.
really, thank you *so* much for all the schools and hospitals, you can please leave now and take them all with you. nobody will even notice. it's like the nehru dynasty's 'sacrifices'. thank you so much, now let someone else do the 'sacrificing'.
myth 2. it's not us christists, it's the *other* kind of christists who are bad. we are the *good* christists.
answer. no, every single one of you is bad. anyone who believes in your sick ideology, which insists on a) destroying nature, b) destroying all independent thinking patterns while creating blind-faith zombies, c) idolizing death and silly books,
is an evil person. you are agents of dark forces, you know, the other guy.
myth 3. you shouldn't judge christism by what one or two deviants done. most of us are good people.
answer. no, anything any christist does anywhere is the fault of christism. you 'moderates' never question anything the 'fundamentalists' do. this is because you secretly agree with them. but you do al-taqiyah by nodding your heads and mouthing moderation. for instance, when that obnoxious godman john paul declared that he was going to wipe out hinduism, how many 'moderate' christists in india protested? answer: none. therefore you are all collectively responsible for what each one of you does.
myth 4. christists do not get special treatment in india.
answer. they get extra-special treatment. they murder sister abhaya. not *one* priest is dragged before a court. no bishop, no godman, nobody. unlike the case with the kanchi swami arrested on mere allegation of murder. if things were the same for christists, there should be an interpol red alert for ratzinger and all his pals, and they should be produced in court and humiliated.
myth 5. christists have not grabbed land, they acquired it legally.
answer. just go to the western ghats. 90% of it has been grabbed by christists. they put up a cross on public or forest or adivasi land, and then the obliging revenue minister (usually the sainted k m mani) hands them title.
myth 6. christists are not into idol worship.
answer. yes, you are. your bible is one of your idols. another is the cross that you worship. a third is all these moldy ancestor bones that you worship. a fourth is these 'relics': all 13 of jesus's 'foreskins'; the shrivelled bones of francis xavier. these are all idols.
these are the usual, standard christist claims.
this fellow andre mathew whatever of northern california adds some howlers to this litany of foolishness. andre mathew, just take a drive out to colma. you'll see what i mean about ever-expanding cemeteries. colma, for those who do not know, is a town in northern california which is basically a bunch of cemeteries connected by roads.
and this business about re-using graves. ROTFL! do you even understand the (idiotic) rationale behind the practice of keeping the moldy bones around? it is so that uncle peter and auntie katrina and all the others can 'rise' to 'heaven' in their own bones, when jesus comes around calling the faithful to 'heaven'!
so, if you mix up uncle peter and auntie katrina's and cousin verghese's bones, how will they all 'rise' to 'heaven' when 'jesus' comes calling? hahahaha! imagine the chimerical beings who will walk out of the family graveyard, with one foot from nephew kurian, one hip from great-auntie uthup, and some teeth from niece elikutty?
if you guys are actually doing this reusing of mass graves in kerala, you are in for a shock when the vatican mafia hear about it. heard of blasphemy? the vatican will be on you like a ton of bricks.
i mean if you want to be idiotic, at least understand the proper way of idiocy, don't just ape the white guy!
and i am sick of this topic, so i am closing this thread now.
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