Dear Rajeev, I follow your writings in Rediff. I think you made your point very well and the analysis with statistics is stunning. Do keep writing more! More about me canbe found at www.arunhere.com and my tamil blog is at http://arunhere.com/pathivu. (I donno whether you know tamil or not).
I do agree that politicians become more active when its comes to saving or helping minorities for they gain name among minorities. ----thats exactly what Rajeev is saying in his article.
We should be more worried about the plight of poor and lower middle class people without contacts. Not about what religion these people belonged to ---I am sure Rajeev is also worried about them...but this article is not about poverty issues...Rajeev is worried about Politicians worrying about (poor or otherwise) Indian's religion rather than treating each case on its merit. His article highlights the hypocrisy of Manmohan Singh govt & their apathy towards Hindus.
I agree with you that indian government does not value human life. On the other hand, I do not agree with your conclusion that the difference in behavior on the part of indian government was only because of them following different religions. Based on your presentation of the 4 cases, I do not think that all other conditions were the same. Are all the 4 cases have the same education background or financial background or the same social background.
Dear Rajiv I am reading your article on rediff. I am happy to know that at least there are handful of people who really bother about the lives of Hindus. In this country all politicians jsut think about minoriteis but in a true sense now Hindus are minorities. Noone bothers them.
Very nice article. Please keep on writing more. All the best. amit
Dear Rajiv I am reading your article on rediff. I am happy to know that at least there are handful of people who really bother about the lives of Hindus. In this country all politicians jsut think about minoriteis but in a true sense now Hindus are minorities. Noone bothers them.
Very nice article. Please keep on writing more. All the best. amit
The Hindus and their leaders, for some reason, are quite inept when it comes to arguing their point and fighting a patience battle. Consider, for example, the issue of political dialogue. When it comes to Indian politics, the minorities have hijacked the term 'secular'. Amazingly, no political party that claims to support the Hindu cause has deviced a term that will refer to Hindu vote. Note that saying 'Hindu' directly will not do. People have tried that and failed. A Shivsena leader lost his elected seat in a court battle because the law forbids using religion in election campaign.
It seems to me that those who are highlighting the Hindu cause are making one grave mistake. They are assuming that their point of view is THE ACCURATE one, and the truthful one, and there is no further need to convince anyone. As a result, when someone does not agree fully, they tend to lean towards fanaticism - a perfect recipe for failure.
Why not try and invent a word that will denote targeted Hindus? Why not try to develop a vocab that will be politically correct, that has not been used by others, and that will allows supporters of Hindu cause to say things loudly and clearly without offending any legal provisions?
I can give one example. Rajeev has given a link to the case of abduction of three Hindu girls from Pakistan. If a common man in India knows about this story...do you really think he will vote for anti-hindu parties? Instead of talking about Hindu girls...we can talk about 'Women who cannot breath freely', 'Imprisoned Breath', and so on. Mind you, any westerner will quickly identify with this term....
The problem is, the educated few will keep discussing this in their own net-pockets and the uneducated many will keep getting slaughtered, oppressed, butchered, taken-for-granted, converted..and so on. I urge the readers of this blog to think about civil ways to tackle this problem... without getting too emotional about it.
I stared reading your article. But I stopped in the middle and decided to write my comment. I request you not to write these kinds of religious columns. India is crippled and is being crippled by our politicians because of these religious feelings and sentiments. You wrote this column based on incidents that happened to a Hindu and injustice done to him. At the same time, I can find an equal number of journalists who can write better columns stating injustice done to Muslims. Many of our honest and true Muslim brothers are now suffering punishment in the Western world just because every Muslim is placed in to in the background of terrorism. I believe in GOD but never believe in any religion or caste. Religion is just a belief and is established to celebrate and live life in a defined way. When educated people like you and write these kind of religious stuff and instigate these feelings among fellow citizens, this will help politicians to play more games and the people who suffer are the poor. I again personally request you to give up writing columns based on Religion.
Yo, You are obviously educated so I won't trip over stating the obvious. These liberals have no idea what dominance is and why it is necessary. Hindus need to establish dominance because we are the only group that can provide the country with order and authority. All minorities should be respected, obviously, and be generously given all rights - for that is the righteous Hindu thing to do. Muslim men understand by marginalizing and disenfranchizing women of power and position, they naturally extend the domain of their dominance. They smirk at the Hindu neo-liberal who empower the very group who would marginalize them at any oppurtunity. Look at any Muslim-owned business, the group mentality rife in Bollywood and observe the muslim families you meet. We have given the Muslims the benefit of the doubt because we don't know much about the ideology they live by; and we haven't bothered to look closely. Anyway that was my 2 cents.
I personally believe that it is almost possible to make a Hindu behave like a Muslim. But a continuous long term education of Hindus can make them pragmatic and to understand the true nature of Islam and Christianity. We have to have "Buddhi" , "Paraakram" and pragmatic "Neeti".
You seem to make enormous generalizations based on these four incidents.
Heard of Cat calling a kettle black ?
Please don't try to instigate hate. Please Stop this immediately.
Yea right , Mr. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi !!
There is only a thin line dividing this article of yours and what's being taught by the Taliban
Wow ! So much for a grand conclusion on a great analysis.
whether or not they were converting a Hindu got severely scrutinized, some Christian Priests and Sisters were even raped and murdered by these extremists.
Influence of Times of India very much palpable SIR !
Look at both sides before you sow discord.
Yea , because i will look only to one side and always believe it to be true come what may.
... ROTFL.. Any prizes for guessing who this latest SECULAR bleeding-heart on the forum is ?
With all the noble thoughts you have expressed, I wonder - why did you choose to call yourself "Beelzebub" ?! (which is actually a name for Satan!). Just curious... You could have chosen "Buddha" or something like that...:-)
Anyway, I'm just writing to say that I dont think Rajeev wrote the article to incite/instigate hatred.
I think he wrote it draw attention to something he is very concerned about, and to create dialog on the subject, and to get readers' thoughts and solutions, and to spread awareness.
Regardless of what his opinion is, if you notice, he isnt deleting anybody's comments (except one, which must have been an indecent one). All kinds of views from different people are being presented. This is a very open discussion.
i dont agree with what u say on the cause of Maniappan kutty's death!! as someone already has mentioned, in the cases 2/3/4 there were parties to contact and negotiate with! not with taliban..... pls dont bring in the issue of religion into this and EVERY OTHER THING in this world!! unless people like you shed this religion/caste based thoughts/arguments our nation wont prosper in any way!!! am surprised and SHOCKED that rediff published this article!! I am a Keralite and a Hindu and i do feel bad and sorry for what happened to Maniappan kutty and do accept its wrong on the Govt's part to have not taken more initiative but wud be only MAD to accept that it was coz he was a Hindu!!!
It is very true that Hindus visit all places of worship, even non- Hindu ones, and I think they also generally wish Christians on Xmas and Muslims on Id.
But the reverse isnt quite true. You dont often find the latter wishing Hindus on their religious festivals. My family has had an Xian neighbour for years. If I find her around Christmas time, I wish her. She has never wished us on any Hindu occasion, although we stop for a chat once in way.
And I dont remember any Christian wishing us for any festival last many years. It's not important for them.
You really need a brain checkup and attitude checkup.
I sent you a friendly comment, and a compliment for your noble thoughts, and only stating my wonder about your name, which as far as I knew from my knowledge of synonyms, is a name of Satan.
Who cares what name you or I choose ? It makes no difference to me or anyone. It was your views that mattered.
Your response is so arrogant and unfriendly!!!
Hence, this time around, I SURE DID NOT BOTHER TO READ YOUR VIEWS !!!!!!
Just for everybody's information, since this commentator has taken so much offence about my harmless remark, I verified from Webster's dictionary: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beelzebub One entry found for Beelzebub.
Main Entry: Beel·ze·bub Pronunciation: bE-'el-zi-"b&b, 'bEl-zi-, 'bel- Function: noun Etymology: Beelzebub, prince of devils, from Latin, from Greek Beelzeboub, from Hebrew Ba'al zebhubh, a Philistine god, literally, lord of flies 1 : DEVIL 2 : a fallen angel in Milton's Paradise Lost ranking next to Satan
From what I read in the article - Rajeev is criticizing the Indian politicians for not dealing with people fairly based on their being human beings. Is there anything wrong with that? Why are people getting so paranoid and saying that he has criticized entire communities - is it a guilty conscience?
Also here is a statement by a "trye Muslim" - go argue with him
"Aren't you aware that the model for us all, the Prophet Mohammed and the four rightful caliphs, undertook to murder infidels as one of their primary activities, and that the Prophet waged jihad operations 77 times in the first 10 years as head of the Muslim community in Medina?"
Cannot imagine that you found secularism in that. You should have thought that these incidents happened in different countries where the cultures and attidudes defer. I agree that our ministers and polititians were lazy in acting. But we should not suspect the role of religion involved. Thats not fair.
Dear "first" Human being, here's the thing: I read most of my India specific news through Google News India. Now now, I know you are all grown up and all (going by your advice to people to join the grown up club and all) but for the other 'bacchas' on this blog, the way Google News works is by displaying the most relevant stories being posted on important websites (pertaining to a subject). This source therefore gives you a gist of the news important websites are publishing related to India in an unbiased manner.
For anyone watching these stories develop there over the last one month it was really vanilla plain that the Maniappan story didn't even figure nearly one-tenth as prominently as compared to the other two stories. Especially noticable was the absense of grovelling of big, powerful Union Ministers in case of Maniappan.
I noticed this bias a couple of weeks back (and Sir Mr. Grown Up that means BEFORE 'little' Rajeev who needs to 'grow up' wrote this article).
Can I now come join the 'Grown Up' club (the pre-condition, though, is that you must leave the club first "Human being first")
21 comments:
Dear Rajeev,
I follow your writings in Rediff. I think you made your point very well and the analysis with statistics is stunning. Do keep writing more!
More about me canbe found at www.arunhere.com and my tamil blog is at http://arunhere.com/pathivu. (I donno whether you know tamil or not).
Good job!
Love,Arun Vaidyanathan
Dear Rajeev,
I totally agree with you. I had written about blood money & plight of Hindus in Saudi Arabia on my blog a few days ago.
I agree with your articles...read them regularly.
Regards,
Sonali
I do agree that politicians become more active when its comes to saving or helping minorities for they gain name among minorities.
----thats exactly what Rajeev is saying in his article.
We should be more worried about the plight of poor and lower middle class people without contacts. Not about what religion these people belonged to
---I am sure Rajeev is also worried about them...but this article is not about poverty issues...Rajeev is worried about Politicians worrying about (poor or otherwise) Indian's religion rather than treating each case on its merit. His article highlights the hypocrisy of Manmohan Singh govt & their apathy towards Hindus.
Rajeev,
I answered on ur behalf...but couldnt resist it. correct me if I am wrong.
Sonali
I agree with you that indian government does not value human life. On the other hand, I do not agree with your conclusion that the difference in behavior on the part of indian government was only because of them following different religions. Based on your presentation of the 4 cases, I do not think that all other conditions were the same. Are all the 4 cases have the same education background or financial background or the same social background.
Dear Rajiv
I am reading your article on rediff. I am happy to know that at least there are handful of people who really bother about the lives of Hindus. In this country all politicians jsut think about minoriteis but in a true sense now Hindus are minorities. Noone bothers them.
Very nice article. Please keep on writing more.
All the best.
amit
Dear Rajiv
I am reading your article on rediff. I am happy to know that at least there are handful of people who really bother about the lives of Hindus. In this country all politicians jsut think about minoriteis but in a true sense now Hindus are minorities. Noone bothers them.
Very nice article. Please keep on writing more.
All the best.
amit
The Hindus and their leaders, for some reason, are quite inept when it comes to arguing their point and fighting a patience battle. Consider, for example, the issue of political dialogue. When it comes to Indian politics, the minorities have hijacked the term 'secular'. Amazingly, no political party that claims to support the Hindu cause has deviced a term that will refer to Hindu vote. Note that saying 'Hindu' directly will not do. People have tried that and failed. A Shivsena leader lost his elected seat in a court battle because the law forbids using religion in election campaign.
It seems to me that those who are highlighting the Hindu cause are making one grave mistake. They are assuming that their point of view is THE ACCURATE one, and the truthful one, and there is no further need to convince anyone. As a result, when someone does not agree fully, they tend to lean towards fanaticism - a perfect recipe for failure.
Why not try and invent a word that will denote targeted Hindus? Why not try to develop a vocab that will be politically correct, that has not been used by others, and that will allows supporters of Hindu cause to say things loudly and clearly without offending any legal provisions?
I can give one example. Rajeev has given a link to the case of abduction of three Hindu girls from Pakistan. If a common man in India knows about this story...do you really think he will vote for anti-hindu parties? Instead of talking about Hindu girls...we can talk about 'Women who cannot breath freely', 'Imprisoned Breath', and so on. Mind you, any westerner will quickly identify with this term....
The problem is, the educated few will keep discussing this in their own net-pockets and the uneducated many will keep getting slaughtered, oppressed, butchered, taken-for-granted, converted..and so on. I urge the readers of this blog to think about civil ways to tackle this problem... without getting too emotional about it.
I stared reading your article. But I stopped in the middle and decided to write my comment. I request you not to write these kinds of religious columns. India is crippled and is being crippled by our politicians because of these religious feelings and sentiments. You wrote this column based on incidents that happened to a Hindu and injustice done to him. At the same time, I can find an equal number of journalists who can write better columns stating injustice done to Muslims. Many of our honest and true Muslim brothers are now suffering punishment in the Western world just because every Muslim is placed in to in the background of terrorism. I believe in GOD but never believe in any religion or caste. Religion is just a belief and is established to celebrate and live life in a defined way. When educated people like you and write these kind of religious stuff and instigate these feelings among fellow citizens, this will help politicians to play more games and the people who suffer are the poor. I again personally request you to give up writing columns based on Religion.
Yo,
You are obviously educated so I won't trip over stating the obvious. These liberals have no idea what dominance is and why it is necessary.
Hindus need to establish dominance because we are the only group that can provide the country with order and authority. All minorities should be respected, obviously, and be generously given all rights - for that is the righteous Hindu thing to do.
Muslim men understand by marginalizing and disenfranchizing women of power and position, they naturally extend the domain of their dominance. They smirk at the Hindu neo-liberal who empower the very group who would marginalize them at any oppurtunity. Look at any Muslim-owned business, the group mentality rife in Bollywood and observe the muslim families you meet. We have given the Muslims the benefit of the doubt because we don't know much about the ideology they live by; and we haven't bothered to look closely.
Anyway that was my 2 cents.
A pragmatic analaysis.
I personally believe that it is almost possible to make a Hindu behave like a Muslim. But a continuous long term education of Hindus can make them pragmatic and to understand the true nature of Islam and Christianity. We have to have "Buddhi" , "Paraakram" and pragmatic "Neeti".
You seem to make enormous generalizations based on these four incidents.
Heard of Cat calling a kettle black ?
Please don't try to instigate hate. Please Stop this immediately.
Yea right , Mr. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi !!
There is only a thin line dividing this article of yours and what's being taught by the Taliban
Wow ! So much for a grand conclusion on a great analysis.
whether or not they were converting a Hindu got severely scrutinized, some Christian Priests and Sisters were even raped and murdered by these extremists.
Influence of Times of India very much palpable SIR !
Look at both sides before you sow discord.
Yea , because i will look only to one side and always believe it to be true come what may.
... ROTFL..
Any prizes for guessing who this latest SECULAR bleeding-heart on the forum is ?
I will put my money of good'ol George.
Any takers :-))))
Dear Beelzebub,
With all the noble thoughts you
have expressed, I wonder - why did
you choose to call yourself
"Beelzebub" ?! (which is actually a
name for Satan!). Just curious...
You could have chosen "Buddha" or
something like that...:-)
Anyway, I'm just writing to say
that I dont think Rajeev wrote the
article to incite/instigate hatred.
I think he wrote it draw attention
to something he is very concerned
about, and to create dialog on the
subject, and to get readers'
thoughts and solutions, and to
spread awareness.
Regardless of what his opinion is,
if you notice, he isnt deleting
anybody's comments (except one,
which must have been an indecent
one). All kinds of views from
different people are being
presented. This is a very open
discussion.
i dont agree with what u say on the cause of Maniappan kutty's death!! as someone already has mentioned, in the cases 2/3/4 there were parties to contact and negotiate with! not with taliban..... pls dont bring in the issue of religion into this and EVERY OTHER THING in this world!! unless people like you shed this religion/caste based thoughts/arguments our nation wont prosper in any way!!! am surprised and SHOCKED that rediff published this article!! I am a Keralite and a Hindu and i do feel bad and sorry for what happened to Maniappan kutty and do accept its wrong on the Govt's part to have not taken more initiative but wud be only MAD to accept that it was coz he was a Hindu!!!
It is very true that Hindus visit
all places of worship, even non-
Hindu ones, and I think they also
generally wish Christians on Xmas
and Muslims on Id.
But the reverse isnt quite true.
You dont often find the latter
wishing Hindus on their religious
festivals. My family has had an
Xian neighbour for years. If I
find her around Christmas time, I
wish her. She has never wished us
on any Hindu occasion, although we
stop for a chat once in way.
And I dont remember any Christian
wishing us for any festival last
many years. It's not important for
them.
Dear Beelzebub,
You really need a brain checkup and
attitude checkup.
I sent you a friendly comment,
and a compliment for your noble thoughts, and only stating my
wonder about your name, which as
far as I knew from my knowledge
of synonyms, is a name of Satan.
Who cares what name you or I
choose ? It makes no difference to
me or anyone. It was your views
that mattered.
Your response is so arrogant and
unfriendly!!!
Hence, this time around,
I SURE DID NOT BOTHER TO READ
YOUR VIEWS !!!!!!
Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just for everybody's information,
since this commentator has taken
so much offence about my harmless
remark, I verified from Webster's
dictionary:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beelzebub
One entry found for Beelzebub.
Main Entry: Beel·ze·bub
Pronunciation: bE-'el-zi-"b&b, 'bEl-zi-, 'bel-
Function: noun
Etymology: Beelzebub, prince of devils, from Latin, from Greek Beelzeboub, from Hebrew Ba'al zebhubh, a Philistine god, literally, lord of flies
1 : DEVIL
2 : a fallen angel in Milton's Paradise Lost ranking next to Satan
All the posters criticizing Rajeev,
From what I read in the article - Rajeev is criticizing the Indian politicians for not dealing with people fairly based on their being human beings. Is there anything wrong with that?
Why are people getting so paranoid and saying that he has criticized entire communities - is it a guilty conscience?
Also here is a statement by a "trye Muslim" - go argue with him
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17607307%5E2702,00.html
Murder 'infidels', Mukhlas urges
"Aren't you aware that the model for us all, the Prophet Mohammed and the four rightful caliphs, undertook to murder infidels as one of their primary activities, and that the Prophet waged jihad operations 77 times in the first 10 years as head of the Muslim community in Medina?"
Cannot imagine that you found secularism in that. You should have thought that these incidents happened in different countries where the cultures and attidudes defer. I agree that our ministers and polititians were lazy in acting. But we should not suspect the role of religion involved. Thats not fair.
Dear "first" Human being, here's the thing: I read most of my India specific news through Google News India. Now now, I know you are all grown up and all (going by your advice to people to join the grown up club and all) but for the other 'bacchas' on this blog, the way Google News works is by displaying the most relevant stories being posted on important websites (pertaining to a subject). This source therefore gives you a gist of the news important websites are publishing related to India in an unbiased manner.
For anyone watching these stories develop there over the last one month it was really vanilla plain that the Maniappan story didn't even figure nearly one-tenth as prominently as compared to the other two stories. Especially noticable was the absense of grovelling of big, powerful Union Ministers in case of Maniappan.
I noticed this bias a couple of weeks back (and Sir Mr. Grown Up that means BEFORE 'little' Rajeev who needs to 'grow up' wrote this article).
Can I now come join the 'Grown Up' club (the pre-condition, though, is that you must leave the club first "Human being first")
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