Saturday, December 10, 2005

Fwd: hindus subject to religious discrimination in russia

dec 10th

i had forgotten that the hindu temple had been demolished, and this nasty letter by this nikon godman fellow is intended to prevent the promised replacement from being built.

this is a serious issue that the indian govt should take cognizance of, but of course it won't since it doesn't affect the 'minorities'.

imagine if a christist church was demolished in delhi and the replacement was opposed by a swami minolta on the grounds that, among other things,
a) jesus christ was a hoax
b) almost all their holy texts were swiped from the essenes and buddhists and hindus
c) paul was a liar and a criminal
d) the religion encourages incest because according to their book, eve had incestuous sex with her sons and lot's daughters were willingly impregnated by their father
e) yahweh was a violent, inferior, insecure demigod.
f) christism has caused the deaths of at least 100 million people through wars, genocide etc.
g) christism invented racism, apartheid, slavery, the gulags, nazi death camps

the USCIRF would be up in arms, not to mention the marxists and the vatican.

there surely is no reciprocity. anybody with a sense of fairness will see this wrong, but then christists are exactly as bigoted as mohammedans, only they usually market themselves better. there is nothing to choose between the two religions.

what is the difference between godman nikon and osama bin laden? nothing. i bet they even look alike with long unkempt beards and wild-eyed stare. note that nikon is careful not to be rude to mohammedans, as he is probably scared witless about them after their antics in chechnya.

and of course manmohan singh and sonia gandhi are not bothered about all this. they are only interested in is how to hang on to their seats for dear life.

all we can depend on is a letter writing campaign.

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Date: Dec 9, 2005 12:32 PM
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To: rajeev.srinivasan@gmail.com

PLEASE SEND THIS LETTER TO EVERYONE ON YOUR LIST AND ASK THEM TO SEND A LETTER OF PROTEST TO THE MAYOR OF MOSCOW AND THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH (EMAILS AT THE END)

World Hindus furious as Russian Archbishop calls Lord Krishna an 'evil demon'

Hindus all over the world have expressed outrage and anger after a leader of the Russian Orthodox Church, Archbishop Nikon called the Hindu God, Lord Krishna an 'evil demon' around the time of Indian Prime Minister's state visit to Moscow to meet Russian President Putin.
In a letter to the Mayor of Moscow Yuri Luzhkov, wired by Interfax news agency on November 30, Archbishop of the Russian Orthodox Church Nikon called Lord Krishna "an evil demon, the personified power of hell opposing God", and "a livid lascivious youth".
The Archbishop further requested the Mayor to ban construction of a proposed Hindu temple in Moscow saying it would otherwise become "an idolatrous disgrace erected for the glory of wicked and malicious 'god' Krishna".
"Construction of the temple to Krishna offends our religious feelings and insults the thousand-year religious culture of Russia," Interfax quoted Archbishop Nikon as saying.
"We cannot believe that in this age of respect and multi-cultural co-existence, a leader of the Russian Church chooses to make statements that are intolerant and disrespectful to one billion Hindus in the world," said Kishore Ruparelia, speaking on behalf of the Defend Russian Hindus Campaign launched in London last week.
"The motives for spreading such hatred are clear - it is an attempt to discriminate and harass the Hindu community in Russia and stop them from building a temple," explained Ramesh Kallidai, secretary general of the Hindu Forum of Britain. "It is unbelievable that a leader of such a powerful Church can make such disgraceful and dogmatic attempts to instigate tension between different religions.  This is completely against all principles of multi-faith co-existence and cooperation that ancient and inclusive religious traditions like Hinduism stand for."
"The statement by Archbishop Nikon of the Russian Orthodox Church has hurt the sentiments of millions of Hindus worldwide," commented O P Sharma, President of the National Council of Hindu Temples UK. "It is an insult to the tradition of tolerance, peace and inclusivity that Hinduism stands for, and highlights the resentment that dogmatic and exclusive views on religion can generate."
President of the Association of Indians in Russia Sanjeet K. Jha said, "For centuries faith in Lord Krishna has been the very foundation of the Indian tradition of tolerance and respect for all religions and for all life. Therefore the shower of offences that Archbishop Nikon decided to publicly pour on Lord Krishna caused us intolerable pain and evoked bitterness and indignation in our hearts."
According to several Moscow-based Indians, the discriminatory move by the Moscow government, the harassment of Indians by Russian ultra-nationalistic groups, inspired by open hostility of some Church leaders towards Hinduism, is making Russia a less than appealing place for Indians to live.
"Hindus are one of the world's most peaceful communities," commented Dr Girdhari Bhan, President of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad UK. "In most countries of the world, the Hindu diaspora is law-abiding, integrated and productive. Archbishop Nikon should have considered the peaceful history of Hinduism before making such atrocious statements that will surely be rejected by people of common sense and dignity."
"It is difficult to understand why a Hindu temple poses a threat to the Russian Orthodox Church in this day of respect and tolerance," added Ramesh Kallidai. "The only Hindu temple in Moscow had been demolished last year, leaving some 15,000 Indians and 10,000 Russian followers of Hinduism without a place of worship. Now the Mayor of Moscow and the Russian Orthodox Church are together trying to stop Hindus from having a place of their own."
According to Mr. Jha, In January 2004, the Mayor of Moscow Mr.Luzhkov signed a decree allocating land in northwest Moscow for construction of a new temple in place of the demolished one. This was followed by mass protests orchestrated by the Russian Orthodox Church against the building of the temple. In October 2005 the Mayor repealed the decree and gave the order to remove a temporary Hindu shrine that devotees had erected from the allocated land.
"Now, the Russian Hindu community in Moscow have no place to house the consecrated Deities they had worshipped for the last decade," claimed Dr Mihir Meghani, President of the Hindu American Foundation. "This is a pity because this was the only Hindu temple in Moscow serving the spiritual and cultural needs of thousands of Hindus in Russia, and now they are left without any place to worship."
According to Mr. Jha, the statement by Archbishop Nikon just adds to the exasperation felt by Indian community in Moscow in regard to the razed temple. "With the old temple demolished and the new temple project thwarted at the very root, thousands of Indians living in Moscow feel utterly disappointed," he added.
The Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had discussed this matter with President Putin during his recent visit to Moscow. Putin has agreed to meet the Mayor of Moscow next week to find out more about the issue.

On behalf of all the Hindu community in Australia, the Chair of the Hindu Council of Australia, Dr Balasubramaniam said, "I strongly condemn the outrageous and shameful behaviour of the Archbishop of the Russian Orthodox Church in denigrating the oldest religion in the world and depriving the peace-loving Hindus of Russia their right to practice their religion. Hindus have always respected all religions. India, which has a majority Hindu population, has always been a friendly country to Russia. It is only proper that the sentiments of a trusted friend and ally are respected. We appeal to the Russian President Putin to intervene and stop this kind of outrageous behaviour against the peace-loving Hindus of Russia. The international communities are monitoring the situation closely."
For more details contact Ramesh Kallidai on  07915 383 103 or 07867 837 241  or info@hincom.org or Kishor Ruparelia on 01923 201780
Editor's Notes
1.      The Defend Russian Hindus Campaign launched last week in London has the support of leading organizations including the Hindu Forum of Britain, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad UK, National Council of Hindu Temples UK, Hindu American Foundation, Hindu Council of Australia and Hindu Council of Africa.
2.      The Defend Russian Hindus Campaign has asked that letters of protest about the statement made by Archbishop Nikon and the cancelling of the land decree by the Mayor of Moscow resulting in loss of the only Hindu temple in Moscow be sent to:
a.      Mayor of Moscow: major@mos.ru
b.      Russian Orthodox Church: commserv@mospat.dol.ru
c.      President Putin - Website submissions using: http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/articles/send_letter_Eng1a.shtml
                Or by post:
Mr.Vladimir V. PUTIN, President of Russia, 4, Staraya Square,
Moscow, 103132, RUSSIA
d.      All Party Parliamentary Group on Russia (UK): contact@tonylloydmp.co.uk
e.      Post your comments on this weblog on the site of the Times (UK): http://timescolumns.typepad.com/gledhill/2005/12/krishna_evil_de.html#more




Text of letter by Archbishop Nikon to Mayor of Moscow

ORTHODOX CHURCH
Moscow Patriarchate
Ufa Eparchy
29 Sochinskaya street, Ufa, 450103, RUSSIA              phone +7 (3472)  724990, fax (3472) 711226
November 29, 2005                                                              ? 10-M

TO:
Mayor of Moscow
Y.M.Luzhkov

Dear Mr.Luzhkov,

Situation with the construction of Krishna "temple" in Moscow does not fail to keep us thoroughly surprised for the last two year. One might fear that this satanic obscenity is destined to be built right in the heart of the Orthodox Christian country of Russia - and yet, all of a sudden, not only due to the mass outcry of the people, but - miraculously! - even due to imperfections in the Russian secular law the construction of this citadel of idolatry has become impossible.

Sectarians and various ca-called 'human rights activists', whose activity for some reason is always anti-Russian and anti-Orthodox are exerting unprecedented pressure on you as they did last year, and so does the USA - the pillar of "democracy" and the foremost international lobby of various cults. Under the circumstances, you may well be tempted to yield to the pressure and to fulfill the demand of Krishna followers to build their idolatrous temple for Krishna.

But we are requesting you to ponder deeply on who this "god" Krishna really is, who is worshipped by all these almost "angelic", "benevolent" people who do not smoke, do not drink, do not eat meat, who "care" so nicely for the homeless by feeding them with idolatrous food and who may seem to work so laboriously and so voluntarily for the benefit of Moscow?
Krishna ("black" in Sanskrit) has many faces, and all of them are abominable. Here is just one of them:
"I see in Your body many, many arms, bellies, mouths and eyes, expanded everywhere, without limit. I see You with blazing fire coming forth from Your mouth, burning this entire universe by Your own radiance. All the planets with their demigods are disturbed at seeing Your great form, with its many faces, eyes, arms, thighs, legs, and bellies and Your many terrible teeth; and as they are disturbed, so am I. our chief soldiers are rushing into Your fearful mouths. And some I see trapped with heads smashed between Your teeth."

And on top of it, this "nice god" reclines on a bed of snakes.

This disgusting appearance is fully concordant with his own self-description:
"I am Yama, the lord of death. I am all-devouring death, .the great destroyer of the worlds, and I have come here to destroy all people."

However, even human-like appearance of Krishna reveals an equally repugnant scene - a livid, plumpish, effeminate and lascivious youth.
For Christians, Jews and Muslims, for whom it is commanded: "I [am] the LORD thy God. Thou shalt have none other gods before me" (De. 5:6-7) and "For all the gods of the nations [are] idols: but the LORD made the heavens." (Ps. 96:5) the satanic identity of Krishna is obvious from his own words: "Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me".
Respected Mr.Luzhkov - can you really allow the idolatrous disgrace to be erected for the glory of this wicked and malicious "god" Krishna?
The construction of this Krishna "temple" is a blatant offense of our religious feelings, and an insult to the millennial religious culture of Russia, where the overwhelming majority of people, Orthodox Christians and Muslims, consider Krishna an evil demon, the personified power of hell opposing God. It is shown that even for Buddhists Krishna is a negative figure, the head of black demons. Sikhs and Jains also consider him the most formidable demon.
Of course, modern Russia is a secular state, based on secular laws. But can these laws screen our peoples from the judgment of God? Can the Russian Constitution abolish our common responsibility for our acts before God?
The Holy Scripture attests that there have been quite a few periods of "religious pluralism" and the equality of "rights" of the followers of various "religious  denominations". We have already mentioned to you in our first letter what had happened to the united Jewish state after Solomon allowed for the construction of various pagan temples in the city Jerusalem:
".and the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice, and had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded. Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant" (1Ki.11:11).
Let us cite two more instructive passages from a whole many of kind, as described in the Old Testament:
"Ahab the son of Omri reigned over Israel in Samaria twenty and two years. and he reared up an altar for Baal in the house of Baal, which he had built in Samaria. And Ahab made a grove; and Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel that were before him" (1Ki.16:29-33).

"Manasseh . reigned in Jerusalem,.he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them. . And he set a carved image. in the house of God"(2Chr.33:1-7)

But their worship was not a triumph of religious democracy, but  the "EVIL IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD" (1Ki.16:30) and "ABOMONATIONS" (2Chr.33:2), for which not only the idolater kings, but all of their citizens paid a heavy price. In the first case, they suffered from a most severe drought which lasted for 3.5 years, and then Ahab was killed in a war with Syrians. In the second instance, "Wherefore the LORD brought upon them the captains of the host of the king of Assyria, which took Manasseh among the thorns, and bound him with fetters, and carried him to Babylon." (2Chr. 33:11).

How much has Russia already suffered due to our sins in the former century? But have we got less crime and unlawfulness?! No, unfortunately. People has become as if blind and deprived of all intelligence, they engross in sins, they separate themselves from God's commands by their own earthly laws, they utterly disregard history of the past and commit the same blunders over and over again. The bitter words of Isaiah the Prophet, which he spoke over 2.500 years ago, now seem to be spoken just for our sake: "Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD.Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more" (Isa. 1:4-5).
Some are telling us that Russia is on the way to prosperity, but the country is actually dying away in childlessness, in wanton promiscuity, in alcohol and drug addiction, millions of babies are killed by abortions, selected individuals become affluent while millions of Russians border on poverty, terrorist attacks strike relentlessly, separatists, who want to tear Russia apart, do not slacken, and sectarians are multiplying, who consider Brooklyn, Solt Lake City and Indian ashrams their homeland. They hate their own culture and history and think service to their state and its defense are a grave sin.
So do we really have to add more to the load of our unlawfulness by building idolatrous temples for demons on the land where they are still hated, in the Russian land where the clouds of faithlessness and libertinism have not yet covered the light of Christian faith?
Therefore, we once again request you on behalf of all Orthodox Christians of Bashkir Autonomous Republic to not allow the construction of the satanic Krishna temple in Moscow.


Respectfully yours,

Nikon,
Archbishop Nikon of Ufa and Sterlitamak
Derector of the Ufa Eparchy of the Russian Orthodox Church



35 comments:

Anonymous said...

He only made such comments because he knows that:

1) the Indian government doesn't care and won't enforce an embargo on Indian purchases of outdated Russian arms.

2) him and his entire family won't be killed the next day, as they would if he said even half of such things towards, for example, Islam.

So in a way, he acknowledges that the threshold to which Hinduism is intrinsically tolerant is sufficiently high. But I think Indians should realize that the threshold is not infinity.

Anonymous said...

Dear Anon, I beg to differ about 'Outdated Russian Arms'. Yes they were like that during Soviet times. Even then, it stood us in good stead against our enemies. But these days Russian arms are cutting-edge, nay bleeding-edge. The American found it the hard way at the hands of Indians with Russian arms at the two air-exercises conducted so far.

Anonymous said...

What about the fleet of MiG-21s, where one was crashing every other day?

Anonymous said...

True, did you read abt the upgraded Mig-21s called Bisons, taking the wind out of the much vaunted F-16s? Do answer me.

Anonymous said...

No I did not. I must confess I don't know too much about this military technology. My opinion reflects only that which I've encountered in the media, i.e. Russian equipment is outdated.

Either way, this Russian archbishop should be jailed instead of poor Khordokovsky.

Anonymous said...

Either way, this Russian archbishop should be jailed instead of poor Khordokovsky.


Couldn't agree with you more.

Anonymous said...

I hope more Christian leaders gather the courage of the Russian Archbishop and call a spade a spade.

Anonymous said...

Christist-Anon son-of-a-bitch, how many times were you raped by your 'Father' at the parish?

Anonymous said...

Nice. Yup, that's what they do: abuse little boys. Just calling a spade a spade.

Oh, and they also kill blacks and Jews and Muslims.

Anonymous said...

Rubbish, it is not a coincidence that most succesful countries in the world are predominantly Christian and protestant. Protestant culture places strong emphasis on work ethic and individual responsibility. Hinduism in contrast with its fatalism, satan worship and other bizzare practises can only lead people to failure.

Come to the loving arms of Jesus till there is still time. We are going to take over India with love, whether you upper caste oppressors like it or not.

Anonymous said...

We are going to take over India with love, whether you upper caste oppressors like it or not.


Yeah Christist son-of-a-bitch, love through the rear-end. Your patented sodomized way.

Anonymous said...

Their might be your preferred way of getting love, but sodomy is against Christian values.

Anonymous said...

bte, Hindu-Anon, you better stop getting from the read end, otherwise you will end up in hell.

Anonymous said...

christist SOB, go make sodomized love with your 'Father'.

Anonymous said...

Go take your wife to the local Brahmin priest to get her impregnated.

Anonymous said...

christist SOB, now I fully appreciate why the Guruvayur temple does the 'Punyaham' purificatory rites in its premises. To keep it pure from you sodomized christist bastards.

Anonymous said...

Now I understand this christist SOB is not christist. Worse he sound like barbarian chinese. y not u take your teenage daughter to the Japanese.

nizhal yoddha said...

piecing these bigoted comments together (and previous comments by him), it's likely that this christist anon is some white-guy holy roller who is running a conversion business in india. since he also sounds stupid, he is probably a southern redneck from the us, most probably a baptist.

there is an old malayalam proverb that goes: "ate the rice, bit the wife, and still the dog is growling". meaning the aggressor is still the peeved one.

here the hindus are the aggrieved party, as one of these christists (and that too a 'holy bishop') has insulted hinduism. yet, this christist is not only not apologetic, he talks about 'going to jesus while there's still time'.

this is hilarious for several reasons:

1. which jesus would this be, the fake one who didn't exist?

2. or is this the one with the many foreskins (or holy prepuces)?

3. 'while there is still time', that is before islam wipes out your cult from europe?

4. notice how the christists stick together. normally they are at each others throats. baptists hate catholics and orthodox. but here they are all together.

5. 'come to jesus', that is, join the church that has paid out a billion dollars in punitive fines for sodomy?

6. he claims that it is not a coincidence that 'all prosperous nations are christist and protestant'. this is known as the post hoc, ergo propter hoc logical fallacy. even if it were true, there is not necessarily any cause-effect relationship. also, it's not true, because many rich nations are catholic. besides, they started getting rich only after the enlightenment, when the church lost its dogmatic power and people began to think freely.

7. if christism is the reason for prosperity, then why is the church dying in all these prosperous nations? except in redneck usa with its malevolent and clever religio-entrepreneurs like pat robertson, benny hinn, oral roberts, jimmy jones, the bakkes, et al, all prosperous white nations are rejecting christism. this is why christists have to prey on third worlders. (the reason why the bigots are succeeding in the us is because the rednecks are breeding like mad, or should i say inbreeding? the average redneck's IQ is approximately the same as his age, as the anon demonstrates.)

nobody should accuse christist bigots of logic and reason. they are simply into blind faith.

Anonymous said...

He also said something about prosperous nations being christist. Well, Ethiopia is christist as well, so there's one counter example.

Also, with countries like the US, consider this: free land through invasion and mass genocide, free labour through unprecented slavery, and free capital through the mass networks of imperialism.

Heck with free land, labour, and capital, any business model will look great because it's all profit!

Also consider that these European jokers were in the "dark ages" before they had to reject christism and thus experience "Enlightenment" to actually progress. So much for that theory.

Just calling a spade a spade.

Anonymous said...

Whoops. I repeated the "enlightenment" bit that Nizhal Yoddha already stated. Nevertheless, it's probably worth repeating.

Although it's likely that no amount of repetition will make blind dogmatics see reason.

nizhal yoddha said...

yes anon, there are many poor christist nations too:

rwanda (enjoyed genocide committed by christists)
mozambique
liberia, and half the other countries in africa (the other half are mohammedan)
south africa
the philippines
nicaragua
gautemala
chile
panama
and plenty more: just sit down with an atlas and cross off about 25 rich white european countries + new zealand + argentina and all the other nominally christist nations are struggling.

yes, europe grew rich from colonial loot from all over. in fact christism is a facade for european imperialism, as is mohammedanism for arab imperialism, and marxism for chinese imperialism.

it's best for christists to fight to the end with the mohammedans, who are your closest relatives and identical to you in all respects except that they don't market themselves as well as you do: they are more honest about their 'convert or die' beliefs.

it'll be good riddance to bad rubbish.

america, australia are examples of land forcibly taken by christists after wiping out the natives. as genghiz khan and so forth have demonstrated, war is good for loot. same thing here.

besides, over the next fifty years, most of these christist nations will revert to their normal state of being medium economic as asia rises. it'll be back to 50% of the world's gdp being generated in india and china.

i like this business about 'protestant work ethic', which is meaningless. when whites were doing well, everyone talked about the protestant work ethic. when the japanese and koreans and chinese started doing well, everyone started talking about the 'confucian work ethic'. when indians start doing well, everyone will talk about the 'hindu work ethic'. this is after-the-fact rationalization by unemployed economists.

iamfordemocracy said...

It seems that the 'Christist Anonymous' has succeeded in diverting attention from the main focus of this article. I would urge other commentators to ignore such diversionary posts. Instead, they should concentrate on being informative and trying to promote collaboration towards eliminating hate-spread against Hindus.

Anonymous said...

I am for democracy too.

Years back when pope John Paul 2 visited India, Sonia Gandhi
insisted on being allowed to receive him, and to be the first person to greet him. She was then
PM's wife. She knelt and kissed the pope's hand, at the airport.

She is now a political leader
in India. If she had/has the freedom to practise her religion
here, and the freedom to honor her religious head when he came to India, then she also definitely has an obligation to take care of Hindus' sentiments and Hinduism,
the ancient, original religion of
India. She should call the Pope and ask him to issue a statement with an apology to all Hindus, on the Russian Church's very very
deplorable actions.

Christians who are writing on this
post and are not condemning the
Russian church's actions are not
Indians. They should be ashamed of
themselves. They dont deserve to
be in this great land which has
graciously allowed every religion
to flourish here, often at its own
expense, and has continously been
at the receiving end of agression
and taken it all peacefully. It
speaks volumes for Hindus and
Hinduism.

Savitha R.

Anonymous said...

rwanda (enjoyed genocide committed by christists)
mozambique
liberia, and half the other countries in africa (the other half are mohammedan)
south africa
the philippines
nicaragua
gautemala
chile
panama

Most of the above contries are catholic.

Anonymous said...

Btw, there is no "Hindu work ethic", there is only a "Hindu rate of growth"

cheers,
Christian

Anonymous said...


They dont deserve to
be in this great land which has
graciously allowed every religion
to flourish here, often at its own
expense, and has continously been
at the receiving end of agression
and taken it all peacefully. It
speaks volumes for Hindus and
Hinduism.


Christianity is a civilizing influence on India had it not been for Christian run schools you Hindus would have regressed back to the trees, worshipping the stones below.
There can be no equivalence between darkness and light. There is no equivalence between Christianity and the collection of assorted primitive beliefs known as Hinduism.
Hindus should accept Christianity because it is the Truth, Christians are under no obligation to reciprocate because Hinduism is a collection of falsehoods.

Anonymous said...

christist SOB, get yourself nailed to a cross, you moron.

Anonymous said...

The Christist fool rants and raves.

The truth is that if Christists hadn't come to India and stolen all our money, Hindus would have been the richest people in the world.

He is right that there is no equivalence between Christism and Hinduism.

Christism is a death-worshipping, barbaric cult of pedophiles and sexual deviants.

Hinduism is the most exalted spiritual thought that humans have ever created.

Hindus should accept Christists' money and then laugh at them because they are deluded by the Devil.

Christism is Satan's invention, and that is the truth about it.

Mathew the ex-devil-worshipper

Anonymous said...

My comment re. anonymous' comment

"Christianity is a civilizing influence on India had it not been for Christian run schools you Hindus would have regressed back to the trees, worshipping the stones below."

-- I went to a Christian School,
learned that I am EVIL, CORRUPT and
SINFUL, and that Christ alone can
save me. I lived with this lie in
my early school years.

I discovered through Hinduism and through meditation, that I AM LOVE
and I AM GOD.

I wish I hadnt learned all that
Christian nonsense that made me
feel so worthless.

Those who criticise Hinduism dont
know it well enough to comment on
it. You are better off with your
sad beliefs that you are evil and
sinful and need to be saved from
damnation by Jesus Christ. That is
a whole lot simpler for people of
less intelligence who cant deal
with the real truth, which the
core of Hinduism gives.

You want to talk about Love ? I am
all for it. It is the basic stuff
one is made of.

But you want to tell me that I am
evil, corrupt and sinful, and need
to be saved from damnation
by Jesus Christ, I'll say

Go Jump In The Lake!!!!!!!

Savitha R.

Anonymous said...


Go Jump In The Lake!!!!!!!

It is you who is going to end up in a lake of fire, eternally.

Anonymous said...

Problem with the world today: the idiots are sure of themselves, but the wise are filled with misgivings

-- Bertrand Russell

Christist Anon (Redneck according to Nizhal Yoddha) is a good example of this.

He is sure of himself because it's written in his book. That is the essence of idol-worship, worshipping an idiotic, corny book full of contradictions.

Archbishop Nikon and this Anonymous must be twins.

Let's talk about how to deal with Nikon. This Anonymous is just a troll, and is of no consequence.

Anonymous said...

While Nizhal Yoddha and other posters justify their statements, the christist fellow only repeats things that his white slavemasters told him, without any reasoning.

Toney said...

DARKSTORM,
I am flattered that you remember me. But I am also a little peeved with myself for having spent so much time earlier on (in previous posts from Rajeev) trying to reason or understand your line of thinking.
Can you point to at least one post of mine where I have transgressed any levels of decency? Even when you continued to dub me as a CSD, bigot and what not, have I ever resorted to name calling?

If you want to give a common name to all those who dont subscribe to your views, that is fine by me.

Finally, I have noticed that Rajeev has access to google's data on the blog (He mentioned somewhere that most posters are in the US etc.) I wonder if he has access to the IP from which each post was sent. In which case, I challenge DarkStorm to prove that it was I who posted any of the above. FYI. I live in NY, if that makes things easier for you.

Also, I post under my real name. I dont hide behind monikers such as Dark Storm because I am not ashamed to convey what I beleive in (and that doesnt include just religious beliefs). I dont intend to be rude but you seem nothing more than a coward, who himself is not convinced of what he says.

Toney said...

Another challenge for DarkStorm,
Please give links to instances where I asked anyone to convert. Just curious... Perhaps, this will give an idea about the credibility that everyone should give you.

daisies said...

If I may comment on the above
exchanges betn DarkStorm & Toney -
although I started commenting on
this blog only some 10-12 days
back, from what I've seen of
Toney's posts, he was very
respectful in his statements,
and he also called
the Russian Church's actions
deplorable, in the earlier post on
this subject, which said they had
called Krishna an evil demon in
Russia.

No two people will always agree.
Everyone is entitled to his/her
opinions.

At least, we can strive to
disagree with respect, while
trying to convince others of our
points of view.

I would probably choose to
discontinue posting comments
on this blog if certain minimum
standards of mutual respect are not
maintained.

Regards to All,
Savitha R.