note that these are 'activists', not 'religious terrorists'.
yeah, there's no devil but jesus christ.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Sushama
Christian Right Activists Disrupt First Hindu Prayer In Senate: "This
Is An Abomination"
Watch video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ9To30Hz7A
Today was a historic first for religion in America's civic life: For
the very first time, a Hindu delivered the morning invocation in the
Senate chamber — only to find the ceremony disrupted by three
Christian right activists.
The three protesters, who all belong to the Christian Right
anti-abortion group Operation Save America, and who apparently
traveled to Washington all the way from North Carolina, interrupted by
loudly asking for God's forgiveness for allowing the false prayer of a
Hindu in the Senate chamber.
"Lord Jesus, forgive us father for allowing a prayer of the wicked,
which is an abomination in your sight," the first protester began.
"This is an abomination," he continued. "We shall have no other gods
before You."
Senator Bob Casey (D-PA), serving as the presiding officer for the
morning, immediately ordered them taken away — though they continued
to yell at the Hindu cleric as they were headed out the door, shouting
out phrases such as, "No Lord but Jesus Christ!" and "There's only one
true God!"
71 comments:
So where are the Atlanticist mouthpieces like NYT, BBC (self-proclaimed "liberal" media) and even the Economist in condemning the heckling of the Hindu chaplain?
See, these ethnically selective "liberals" (read: Atlanticists) only masquerade under the guise of liberalism, when in fact they are applying their "liberalism" in a very ethnically selective way. If it had been a Muslim imam being heckled, they would have screamed their heads off. But because it was a Hindu, they won't even mention the event anywhere.
Well, atleast in the U.S Senate, it was the christist sloganeers who were made to leave.
Can you Imagine the Indian Parliament or any State assembly reciting Hindu prayers ? Remember the stink raised by the mullah/missionary/marxist/macaulay/dravidian brigade when Shri Murli Manohar Joshi (as Union HRD Minister) proposed that a conference of state education ministers begin with a Saraswati Vandana ?
This christist opposition to Hinduism should not be surprising.
Condescension for India/Hindus is
just skin deep among the Yanks/Europeans across the political spectrum, regardless of conservative/liberal etc.
Atleast, the Yanks/Europeans are being true to their traditions & faith, i.e merely practising what has been inculcated in them over generations (which is less than can be said of our Indian traitors of the ASHA/AID/FOIL persuasion).
The more perceptive among the Yanks, i.e those not sold on some semitic dogma do realise that Hindus are a friendly civilization.
And, I believe that presently, it is India that discriminates against Hindus more than the U.S.A
The christist cross placed on Indian currency by stealth symbolises that.
And, it is very surprising that the "marxists" and "progressives"
in India are meekly collaborating in the promotion, by GOI, of such cannibalistic, vampire cults.
That is the real abomination.
Drumroll, repeat after me:
Christism = Mohammedanism - Muhammad
Marxism = Christism - Christ
Western Liberalism = Marxism - Marx/Mao
what you have said is true/correct/accrurate/to the point and agianst dhimmi/SFO/BRO/PLO
BTW, Can somebody weigh in on how to fit in "Dravidians" into the set of equations above ?
These are (or atleast should be) fairly obvious, but I've been scratching my head, thinking about commutative properties etc to extend this to "Dravidians" and "Dalitistan" types. But, how these idiots fit in (or imagine they can fit in with the white christist supremacists)eludes my non-IIT brain, so far !
I can only guess that the solution will involve some partial derivatives ......
Would a Christian priest be given the privelege to start a session of parliament in India with a prayer?
It would bring India down to it's knees with Bandh's, Hartals, and what not. And....innocent Christians in all possibility would be the target of goons.
Let's try to look at the positive aspect of things once in a while.
Christist,
If such an act results in bandhs and hartals, it only shows that the Christists have managed the impossible task of earning hatred of the most peaceful people on earth!
Wherever you go, you Christists are unable to live in peace with anyone. Is there ONE place on earth where Christists have managed to live in peace with others? Is there ONE community with whom Christits are at peace? No my friend, the problem is not with the whole world. You need to take a look in the mirror to identify the problem.
Indian Christists are a worse form of Christists because you became Christist just to ape the White-skinned male. Shame on you! And all that you have managed in India is subvert the system and grab as much land as possible. There is no limit to your greed.
Dear "Christian",
India has a Roman Catholic named Sonia Gandhi as its leader right now. Does the US have any Hindu in the Oval Office? Have the US citizenry voted any Hindu into the Presidency?
If Christians aren't reciting prayers in the Indian parliament, then neither are the Hindus doing it.
Tell me, are there any militant Hindu guerrilla groups disrupting life in the US? Do you think the US would tolerate that for a second?
Please don't try to attempt comparisons on which you know you'll lose. You come out behind on all counts.
Arvind, San,
95% of the Hindus will not protest should that happen, only the rest will. But in India, all that is needed is a party with 7 followers to bring the country to its knees.
That Christians don't live in peace is news to me. Can you show me how many crimes Christians have been accused of in India?
Arvind, just do this. Drive around the outskirts of Bangalore and you will see quite a few Christian organizations. All of them are outside the city limits. Bangalore is growing at a furious pace, and in no time this land will be part of the city. Why blame Christians for such foresight? Who is preventing anyone from buying land on the outskirts? At least about aping the white skinned male, plese don't give me a lecture. We Indians are shameless when it comes to bending over backwards to please them. Just ask yourself this question. How many of us leave our desks in US at 5 pm? We'll sit and warm our seats till late in the night if we can please our white boss.
And the next time you go to any supermarket just watch our guys for a while. You can see where the problem lies.
San, Sonia could have become the PM if she wished. I would have hated it if she had. Now that she did not accept it, isn't it unfair to make such allegations?
Are there any militant Christian groups disrupting life in India? Let me also say this. I am not for mudslinging. This is a discussion, and if plain hatred is going to be the response, I withdraw with this post.
have we forgotten so quickly the terrorists of Christism in the Indian Northeast. It is not without signficant reason that the Hindu distaste for Christism is continuing to increase, and will only continue to do so, since the Christism is a religion that demands all others follow its religion. This of course, leads to inevitable conflict.
Sonia did not become PM, not because she is some Mahatma (nor is it is an act of renunciation), as Christian put it (and as the chest-thumping congress fellows claim) but she was stopped in her tracks by President Kalam, who invoked the principle of ‘reciprocity’. It is for this reason that Sonia (and hence the Congress) took her revenge by stopping Kalam from continuing as President for a second term.
New Pagan
With so much of animosity and pre conceived notions, a discussion loses its purpose.
Most responses as I can see, are veering away towards the common goal of this blog - plain hate, and I don't intend aggravating it any further. It has been proved time and again over centuries that the Hindu religion is fundamentally far too strong for anyone to shake and all this hatred is baseless and unwarranted.
poster "Christian", you are not welcome here again unless you carry a blog saying that the above doings of Catholics are wrong, and all missionary expansionist activity in India should stop.
If this is not animosity, what can you call it? Your language now is a lot different. Can you show me one news item where the Pope said India was ripe for harvest? The Pope did comment strongly against the anti conversion laws some states were introducing. If indeed he did say so, I for one am against it. I condemn his statement outright...though I am yet to find proof he said so.
Any Christian land is "grabbed", but I wonder if it is so easy for Christians to "grab" land. Anyone who can pay, can get land in India, and when Christian organizations normally buy land, it costs just a pittance because they buy land far away from the city. Can you blame them for planning well in advance? I personally know of one organization which bought about 8 acres of land in whitefield in Bangalore twenty years ago. Today this land is worth over 100 Crores, but when they bought it, it just cost them a few lakhs. In fact, the seller offered me the same price a few years later, and I did not buy it as whitefield looked like a forest at that time. Had I, I would be a multi millionaire in Dollar terms. Would you have called me a land grabber then? Incidentally, this organization has helped thousands of orphaned children get a foothold in life - and about 90 percent of them were Hindus and remain Hindus to this day.
Please, please, let me clarify this once again. India is heaven for people of any other religion to live peacefully. There is a section of Indian society which sees Christians as a threat and incidentally they are not in the mainstream of India's thought process. I am ready to discuss anything if I am not bulldozed and
if everyone don't land on me like a ton of bricks and I am always open to criticism of my religious belief as long as it is within the levels of decency.
Does it really matter what religion one belongs to? Can anybody prove that God is there and that only his religion can show the path to the God? Does anyone know if there is another world beyond death and how it is? The answer to all these questions is a big no. Then what is the purpose of all this conversion business? So, it ultimately boils down to imposition of culture. Cultural imperialism! Of all the religions, only Hinduism tells that all the religions are equal and all of them show us how to reach the only one God, whoever it is. This is a very logical argument and all sensible people can and should understand.
If at all there is a superior being called ‘God’, it is only logical to assume that he doesn’t distinguish between religions, is omnipresent and has no bias towards anyone. It is therefore, downright silly to say that some religion is greater than the others.
New Pagan
The word 'Pagan' has come to be accepted as a term connoting a person adgering to polytheism or a worshipper of idols, nature etc. It is not derogatory. There is no need to get peeved for being called a pagan.
New Pagan
SIX-STIX:
I don't want to get into a discussion with you on idol worshipping or what Christians think of Hindus etc. I, for one, am an idol worshipper (btw, I am a Hindu and John is just my pseudonym) and I don't care if some one calls me a Pagan. I am a plain Hindu and I do not know the intricacies of Hinduism because I am not a scholar.
I am not teaching anyone anything. I am just expressing my opinion and I think I am entitled to do that.
New Pagan
Six-Stix:
I am not getting into a discussion with you about idol worshipping or what Christians think of Hindus etc. BTW I am a simple Hindu, which means that I am not a scholar, and so I do not know the intricacies of Hinduism.
Personally I do not care if someone calls me a Pagan. Yes, I am an idol-worshipper. So what? I am free to practice what I want, as long as I am not stepping on someone’s toes.
I am not trying to teach anything to anyone. I am just expressing my opinions. I think I am entitled to do that!
New Pagan.
Six-stix,
A lot of Christians don’t like Hindus or the word Hindu, what are you going to do about it?
Like wise saying that anyone has a right to be a Hindu is not going to convince Americans to whole-heartedly accept Hindus praying in front of them in the Senate either, don’t you think?
My point is genuflecting before the christists and proving to them that our way of worship is some how similar to theirs is not going to help us.
Standing up to them will.
The way to view the success of any Hindu event is -- will it cause more Hindu awareness amongst the non Hindus and sick(ular) Hindus. In this instance, yes, the Christian genocists have ensured that and that is certainly good news.
The sleepy apathetic Kumbakarna Hindus certainly will take note that their religion was put down for no reason -- no Hindutva bogey this time.
Also the defenders of South Asians -- FOSA, FOIL, ASHA, AID.. MFs are no where to be seen.
We have this excellent opportunity to show the real demonic colours of these South Asian Muslim hugging, Christian toadying organisations.
I consider a net benefit of the whole episode.
Christist,
Thanks for accepting that your aim in life is to work beyond midnight to please your white boss. Precisely my point about you Christists!
BTW, there is no foresight on the part of Christists. You just indulge in land grabbing. Planting crosses and claiming the land as your own is not foresight. It is greed.
One of your type took a fat dowry and then sued her brothers for a share in the inheritance. Her daughter, Suzanne Roy, then claimed this lawsuit was for women's rights. That is typical Christist greed in action for you.
Christists also control the education system by getting laws passed that have banned Hindus from running schools. Hindus are the ones with respect for education and a knack for it, Christists are no good at it. The control of education by Christits has made the quality of education in India abysmal.
Notice that your premise for the existence of Christism is itself based on a hateful piece of fiction that the fictional character called Thomas was murdered by Hindus. You should apologize for believing in this fictional character and then going on to slander Hindus for killing the fictional character. This story just shows what hateful people you are.
Arvind, Hinterist!
Stay in this well like a frog and keep your imagination going full throttle.
Every word in your last post is beyond sanity.
I don't wish to discuss an issue with someone who pathetically lacks intellect.
It's no wonder the sensible majority of Hindus ignore your type.
christian ironically you sound worse than the people you are accusing
you have been kicked out from here, no one wants you here and yet you come here to pass time and abuse people
who are you going to convince? not a sigle person..on the contrary because of this stupid behavior eveyone hates you and whatever you are saying
you are in a no win situation..your little ego doesnt let you stop posting messages like a maniac..but the more you write, the more you generate hatre
is there nothing else for you to do in ur useless life..when is ur asignment ending?
Sage,
Good post...I was expecting this any moment.
I can post information which will make you eat what you just wrote, but all of you will land on me like a ton of bricks.
So I'll refrain from doing so.
I'll just say this:
The Pope was never accused of sexual misconduct or murder. You can draw conclusions from this statement. There are black sheep everywhere.
@satish
Your judgement of my life as useless puts you in the divine category.
Six-stix, wonderful post.
The ones who protested and the ones who were absent are vermin in my view. The do not understand the importance of another religion's view.
Though a Christian by faith, I have great respect for Hinduism and its ways. In fact, I've always felt that Hinduism's outlook of divinity is far above Christianity's narrow outlook.
It's difficult for me to convince many learned members of this blog, but that's the truth. Every religion has good and bad and unilateral hatred towards another religion is something I cannot understand.
Christian said...
Quote:
Though a Christian by faith, I have great respect for Hinduism and its ways.
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Christian... maybe you could try helping us understand what you are trying to say. As far as we know .. Christianity believes it is the sole possessor of the true religion and true god, as underlined by the protestors. The Hindu gods are considered false and devil.
So what do you mean that you have great respect for Hinduism.
Do you:
1.Believe in the divinity of our gods
2. Believe that there are more pathways to god, other than Jesus Christ.
3. Do you believe Hinduism is a true religion... that is its 330 million are worthy of ours (and yours) worship.
Do answer your these queries.
This christian guy is this blog's pet dog..you kick him, taunt him or throw him out, he comes back wagging his tail
christian guy, fetch!
@satish,
i normally do not respond to dogs.
....satish....ball....fetch....
venkat
I believe the Hindu way of seeing God in all things is something great. For example, even in Hinduism, the stone out of which an idol is carved has little relevance as far as I understand it. It's the deity the stone represents through which Hindus reach out to God. I also understand that a statue of Ganapathi for example cannot be considered God unless it is installed in a temple and consecrated. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think he Hindu belief that every religion is a path to god is the noblest divine belief.
Of course, Hinduism is a true religion and for that matter, there is more recognition for Hinduism and it's beliefs within the church of late.
I am also appaled at the disrespect kids out here in America sometimes show for their books. I personally believe there is a lot Christianity can learn from the Hindu religion.
six-stix said>>>> there is no genuflecting. Hindus have asserted their right to pray. notice that Rajan Zed went there…
I was not talking about one specific event. I was talking in general with some of your earlier posts in mind where you said Hindus are not idol worshipers, Hindus are monotheists etc.
My point is that there is absolutely no need for us to prove one way or other about these things to any outsiders, especially to those close-minded bigots – Christists and Mohammedans. They will always find fault with “others”, so it is a complete waste of time to educate them about our way of worship.
six-stix said>>>> he went ahead and said prayers in a near empty hall. likewise, the senators who did not come were asserting their right to protest by being absent. what they did is not unlawful.
I think here you got how the senate conducts its business completely wrong. The hall will always be empty except for those occupying the floor. It will be full only during state of the union address or when the president calls for a joint session. Even when Christian prayer goes on no body will be there. That is how it conducts its business. Empty senate hall during Hindu prayer does not mean anything.
six-stix said>>>> the solution lies in convincing them
all I can say is GOOD LUCK.
Guys
We've clearly demonstrated the "Argumentative indian" here :-)
You've also proved the execrable Amartya Sen wrong -- arguing, and arguing about hinduism is alive and well!
May want to consider where we're going with the argument, though!
>>> Are there any militant Christian groups disrupting life in India?
Christian,
The north-east terrorist groups.. And also christian missionary groups have links with maoists, right in the middle of India !!
Christist,
So according to you, Thomas is not a piece of fiction and those who say that he is a fictional character are imagining stuff? Same with Suzanne Roy's cheating ways?
This must be your Christist logic.
AGWorld,
The argumentative Indian is a myth. Argumentative Hindu is the correct term. Christists and Muslims in India take the gun and shoot you or bomb you if they disagree with you. Look at Nagaland and the behavior of Muslims in India wherever they live.
Six-stix,
You are making way too many assumptions here. I neither said Hinduism is polytheistic or monotheistic. My point is there is no need for us to prove one way or the other when morons make judgments about how Hindus should pray. I have said this so many times and you keep missing this point. I don’t know when or if you will get it.
Six-stix said >>> I don’t think my comment of an empty floor was entirely wrong. Poster "Tall Indian" from USA was also commenting "I'd like to see how many show up at the session..."
No, you are entirely wrong on this one. I suggest you watch c-span to see the senate’s proceedings.
Six-stix said >>> I don’t know how you propose to get Senators to accept Hindu prayers in Senate by your solution of "standing up to them".
You keep going back to the Hindu prayer in the US senate. As I said before I am not talking about one specific event, the Senate prayer in this case. Honestly I don’t give a rat’s ass whether the Senate opens with a Hindu prayer or something else. It is a non-event and means nothing to me or to millions of Hindus across the world.
Six-stix said >>> although you truly consider Hinduism polytheistic
Where did I say that?
Six-stix said >>> Also, why are you poking at me for my comments on Hinduism being monotheism?
I am not poking you. I am only trying to give a different perspective. If you think Hinduism is monotheistic it is fine by me. I don’t have anything against that. My point is there is no need for you to prove this to a bunch of morons and bigots who has no business of judging your way of worship in the first place. If you can’t even assert this right I don’t know how you are going to make them stop their assault on Hinduism. It is wise to remember His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s words – peace exists only between two equals. Nobody will listen to a meek that can’t assert even his or her own right.
Six-stix said >>> not at all clear to me whether you are happy about Zed praying
Of course it is not clear to you. How can it be if you don’t get what I am saying? And why should I be happy about Zed praying in the senate? It means nothing to me. And let me add if you are happy about it I don’t have anything against it either.
Six-stix said >>> No point criticizing me when your stand is unclear.
I was not criticizing you but playing devil’s advocate and trying to make you think in a different manner on this issue altogether. That’s all.
Six-stix said >>> There is not much point in calling various peoples at the other end of the world as "f*** bigots", simply because they don’t accept Hinduism
Don’t assume or say anything that I did not say. As they say, “assumption is the mother of all fuck ups”, you have a big problem with it. I don’t recall calling those who don’t accept Hinduism as bigots. Did I call Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, Parsis, and Zoroastrians etc as bigots? Of course not. I called as bigots only those who claim that their religion is the only true religion and every thing else are false This is the dictionary meaning of the word bigot as well, unless you have your own lexicon where the meaning is different :-)
Six-stix said >>> Calling them f** bigots simply because they don’t like our prayers is just another form of bigoted ness
Oh really! It looks like you are trying to write a new meaning to the word bigot. If you think calling those who claim only their religion is true and others are false as bigot is another form of bigoted ness then I pity you.
Finally let me add that I wrote few lines in the beginning so that you may have a different perspective on this issue. It seems you don't want to and that is fine by me as well.
I am glad I don’t have any common ground with you.
Good luck in finding it with Christist and Mohammedans.
six-stix
Stop your bullshit. Where the hell did I say I hate Americans? You are welcome to criticize what I write, but do not bullshit about things I did not say. Show me where I said I hated Americans or stop replying to me right now.
And cut your crap about where I work and how I make a living. You do not know anything about it and that is none of your business either. Stick to the point and if you cannot stop writing.
Siva, Six-stix,
Guys, look what the christist disrupter has achieved, i.e to incite a fight between you two.
The temerity of the christist, descendant of those who converted for a handful of rice, slowly taking over the reins of power in our motherland, heaping vile abuse on our Gods and converting by force/fraud/allurement. A few of us escape christist tyranny in India only to encounter these swines like Biju mathew, Jayanth Pallekonda etc. Could there be anything more ironic than the very presence of this christist hatemonger here, on this Hindu nationalist blog ?
And his success in inciting this fight among you ?
Look at the christist's insidious arguments, his rhetorical questions like :
"Would a Christian priest be given the privelege to start a session of parliament in India
with a prayer? "
The answer is that it is only a matter of time that happens.
It is not a proper analogy.
Hinduism in India is NOT a conquering, evangelical religion.
Christism in India is the vehicle of violent, evangelical, imperialists. A correct analogy
would be Zoroastrians/Parsis in India.
The christist ignores all the chief ministers, governors, union ministers, all powerful christist entities in india:
Margaret Alva, Oscar Fernandes, A.K Antony, Oommen Chandy, Samuel Reddy, N. Janardhan Reddy, Rosiah,
Ajit Jogi, Ambika Soni, Vincent George, T.R Balu, K.R Narayanan (yes, also a crypto-christist).
Christist - can you name one Hindu anywhere in the christian world who made it to prominent political positions in those countries ?
This christist has the impunity to preach Hinduism to us. He says that images of deities are not sacred until consecrated in a temple or worshipped. This is a devious argument by christists to justify blaspehemous pornography
by the likes of M.F Hussain.
And, when was the last time a bandh or hartal was called by anybody in india against christist aggression ? I've never heard of any such bandh.
On the contrary, the christists all over India had called a general strike in the early 90's to
press for reservations to christist converts. This was championed by the ghoul of calcutta. Therefore, the christists ought to be responsible for many 1000 crore rupees in damages for lost revenues to the nation, over and above war reparations due for the christist inquisition and genocide against Hindus.
Six-stix,
If you want me to with draw any comment I made than ask for it, do not insinuate or lie. That is cheap.
Six-stix said>>> Anyone who says I am genuflecting to them just because I said that my religion is monotheistic, and because I talked of getting their whole-hearted acceptance of Hindu prayers in Senate, is only filled with hatred for Americans.
What is this, more bullshit to cover your cheap lies? Above sentence does not even make any sense. Genuflection to Americans is NOT equal to hating Americans.
You not only have a problem with your assumptions but also with English language. Sorry I tried to have a conversation with you.
And, coming back to the original issue of the christist bigots disrupting the Hindu prayer in the U.S Senate - this is just more evidence, if any were required, that christist bigotry goes hand in hand with cowardice.
Would they dare disrupt a muslim prayer ? Contrast this to the deferential treatment that muslims receive in America, particularly after 9/11/2001 ! Contrast it to GWB's visit to that mosque in Washington D.C, with a *veiled* Karen Hughes in tow !
The white christists bigotry & condescension is reserved for Hindus.
Note the Kleenex ad poking fun at the Hindu/Buddhist monk, saying that their product *kills* germs.
The christists respect only *killing* & do not appreciate the Hindu principles of non-violence and respect for all forms of life.
Also note that hamburger ad (don't recall whether it was Carl's Jr. Or Jack in the box) poking fun at "vegetarians". When was the last time you saw any mainstream western ad lampooning muslims ?
Ratzinger attempted some weak logic regarding islam & then bleated out repeated apologies to muslims after they reacted violently around the world.
Contrast this to his harsh criticism of state governments in India for enacting anti-conversion laws. Ratzy, if you are only rendering "Service" as your agent John Dayal claims & not indulging in mass conversions, why are you afraid of a mere legislation ?
The legislation is merely banning *conversions*, that too those secured by *force/fraud/allurement*
It is not as if the vampire cult of christism is banned from any state of India. In this respect, India has much to learn from the Chinese.
Siva, Don't waste your breath on six-stix. I think it is the very same ultra-feminist woman troll that Rajeev kicked out before. She keeps coming back with new ids.
and i wont be bothered about the comment by kapidhwaja.
even though Rajeev deleted his comment on "ultra-feminist", he still keeps repeating those words.
Six-stix
You don’t know when to stop do you? Now you are back at square one and I have to repost everything again? I am not going to repeat endlessly the same thing over and over again.
I already said sorry that I made an attempt to have a conversation with you. Can’t you take sorry for an answer?
You are sorry for attempting a conversation with me. Not for the things you said about me.
Anyway, it doesnt matter to me anymore. I dont care anymore.
And I only now saw you deleted some posts.
six-stix, you are banned for disruptive behavior.
1. pointless aggression
2. incoherence
3. verbal diarrhea
you are not wanted here because you subtract value.
@karyakartha92
I accept defeat. You have twisted and turned what I wrote so much, it is plain disgusting and I have nothing to say in defense.
I've never said or even assumed most of what you have written in your post.
And, blaming me for two guys fighting with each other is rather unfair.
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