Thursday, January 12, 2006

Re: christists and the great service they do

jan 10th

didnt go through the first time i sent it.

On 1/10/06, Rajeev Srinivasan <rajeev.srinivasan@gmail.com > wrote:
jan 10th

some semi-literate christist idiot kid wrote on this blog that we hindus should be grateful for white guys coming to india, giving up their cushy lives, and doing 'social service' for us. siva gave an excellent response, and i want to add to that. the kid is an obvious idiot, but i am taking the trouble to write this because this is part of the propaganda all christists are force fed in their indoctrination centers.

this is standard christist bullshit and christists are programmed to bleat this out. my response:

if these people are *so* intent on doing social service, how come none of them are in spanish harlem doing 'social service'? is it because the sick, obese, desperately poor people living there have already been 'saved'? in other words, once they have successfully converted somebody, then they are on their own, and the missionaries can move on to fresh meat.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/nyregion/nyregionspecial5/10diabetes.html?th=&adxnnl=1&emc=th&adxnnlx=1136895696-9Dc0YryekQeoO3DqoDHKUA&pagewanted=all

also, how come the great white missionaries who want to do all this service do not go to:

a. the bronx
b. new orleans
c. the philippines
d. bangladesh
e. pakistan

etc. where there are plenty of poor people?

answer: they'd get their *****s cut off by mohammedans, that's why, the piss-ant cowards. as for the bronx or new orleans, why, the people are *black*, so how could good white christists be there being polluted by the presence of actual black people? they are the sons of ham, who are meant to be enslaved by the sons of shem (ie semitic whites), right?

if they are *so* worried about us poor indians, they can just send some large checks here, they don't need to stir out of their cushy lives.

other standard christist bleats echoed by the idiot kid:

1. brahmins are bad because they put lead in the ears of non-brahmins who hear the vedas. ok, kid, provide *one* single instance when this happened. you can't because there aren't any. the manusmriti which says, rather metaphorically, that this punishment should be carried out, is not an idol that we worship, unlike your book you worship in blind faith. you indulge in bibliotary, idolatry of a book.

on the other hand, i can provide many incidents where christist priests and ordinary christists massacred lots of people who they thought were inferior: (tens of millions of people, in fact)

a. rwanda, where catholic bishops and nuns provided petrol to hutus to burn alive tutsis
b. germany, where christists gassed and otherwise exterminated jews, gypsies, et al
c. apartheid, where white christists massacred black christists
d. slavery, ditto
e. crusades, where christists massacred mohammedans (and vice versa) 

f. genocides of native americans in north and south america
g. genocides of aborigines in australia, tasmania and new zealand
h. 30 million indians killed in famines around 1890, 5 million killed in 1945's bengal famine


these are all proven and well documented. no question of their historical veracity. when you guys have finished atoning for these sins, you can start having a dialog with us about our sins, okay?

2. the little creep exhibits his casteism, which is endemic among christists and marxists. christists are terrified of brahmins and caste, because these are the two that have enabled hinduism to survive.

christists are scared of brahmins because they memorized the scriptures, so they are perfectly preserved. on the other hand, the christist book is totally messed up because every passing semi-literate medieval baboon who copied it made mistakes, and felt free to add his own editorial comments to it. the bible is absolutely not the word of god, or if it is, it is one heck of a confused/stupid god, the GOF as i once called it. for instance, just take one example of the total contradictions about the alleged birth of young jesus. mathew says only wise men came, luke says only shepherds came. mathew says herod sent troops to kill children and joseph took jc and mama mary right away to egypt. luke says a month after jc was born they performed a sacrifice, responded to a census and went to nazareth. so which version do you believe? both cannot simultaneously be true. the bible is riddled with such stupid inconsistencies, so it is hardly divine and infallible. it was written by paul and embroidered by everybody who was literate in those parts (which was about 5% of the population). my hat off to paul, who manufactured the biggest hoax in human history.

but the hindu scriptures are intact and perfectly passed on by a strict oral tradition. not a syllable has been changed in 5000 years and this is to the credit of the brahmins.

second target is caste. caste is what enabled hinduism to survive when mohammedanism was able to wipe out buddhism so easily. caste meant that hinduism was very distributed, and each person owed allegiance to his caste. thus it was impossible to wipe out all castes. so there was no center to attack (unlike the buddha viharas). it's like a distributed computer system is much more robust to attack. the local server nodes in the system are the castes, so that people maintained allegiance to a particular caste regardless of whether the barbarians had control of varanasi or mathura. the system was more fault-tolerant.

christists and marxists attack both caste and brahmins because destroying both is the way to destroy hinduism. no wonder all christists are taught in their indoctrination cells (sleeper cells?) to hate brahmins and caste.

3. the great service christists have done for india. yeah, right. they took $10 trillion from india and gave us poverty, famine and killed 30 million indians. read mike davis, 'late victorian holocausts'. he's a marxist author, so what he says must be true, no?

they destroyed india's prosperity by destroying the economy and the irrigation systems. they destroyed india's village schools. they burned palm leaf manuscripts on ayurveda. they created a class of brainwashed and uprooted idiots. they turned a prosperous country into a ruin. india in 1750: the richest country in the world, with 25% of the world's GDP. christist england: poor country with 2% of world GDP. in 100 years, the situation is reversed. this is the service christists did for india.

the only service christists have done and are doing in india: the destruction of the rainforest. because they want india to be just like their 'holy land', the horrible desert.


and here's what the alleged christ (he who didn't exist and is a figment of paul's imagination) is alleged to have said (in the book allegedly written by god):

  "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
peace, but a sword.
     "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
law.
     "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
 - Matthew 10:34-36.


this is a divine sentiment?

and how is this at all different from the mohammendan's "kill the idolaters wherever you find them"?

there is no difference at all between christism and mohammedanism. christists have better press relations and propaganda, that's all. they market their stuff better than the more straightforward mohammedans who say, 'convert or we'll cut your head off'. christists smile and stab you in the back, that is the only difference.

8 comments:

Kalyani said...

A comprehensive and clearly articulated one Rajeev,I marvel at your forbearance!

Hoping,there would be no more kneejerk carping.

Also,in varnasrama system of living, it
needs to be emphasised, it was the Ruler/State/King who was solely responsible for *PROPER* governance .Nowhere is it proclaimed that they have the liberty/choice to ABDICATE themselves of these responsibilities; that,subsequently guilt ought to be sedulously engendered in the minds of the working/normal/honest/sane to *FEEL* responsible for the lazy/poor/unappeased/petulant/ grievances filled/recalcitrant/criminals so as to establish a "charities&donations" (willynilly/voluntary/extortionist etc) doling social services industry...and above all *CERTAINLY* not as a proof of one's spiritual credentials.

Everyone was orbiting well in their respective paths and there was healthy interdependence too.The inherent presence/absence of kama/krodha/lobha etc in various degrees spurred one to do whatever he/she/ did.....and life went on...

Bhagawan Krishna says...."Neither agency nor actions does the Lord create for the world,nor (does He bring about)the union with the fruit of action.It is universal ignorance(maya)that does (it all)".

Ragz said...

Rajeev, You are absolutely right. There is no difference between Christists and Islamists in practically any matter, except as you said in marketing. Look what they have done to some states in India. Forget Northeast. It's a given that it is already a Christian belt. What about Andhra for example. I suspect 4 or 5 districts are in Christian majority already. And is it simply a coincidence that Andhra is in top two or three in AIDS spread? The Christists are in fact more dangerous. They destroy the native cultures and take over place by place unsuspectingly. Now Christians in Andhra are planning a church in Tirumala hills with an all-willing Christian CM. Nothing can be more outrageous than this.

daisies said...

Yes Ragz, the Tirumala hills thing,
read about it last month, it made
a hole in my heart and the thought
just brings pain. I just wish it
could be stopped somehow.
Why dont they build churches on top
of used burial grounds instead.
Why Tirumala ? Why do they want to
be near Hindu temples which they
anyway dont subscribe to ?

And next it will be Arunachala ?

siva said...

daisies

that's what they always do. low lives. how do you think the jews got screwd? how do you think their holy temple mount became "disputed" temple mount. there is no dispute there, who ever had it first, is the rightful owner. christian bastards grabed it from jews and barbaric mohamedans grabed it from christians. this is their history and they will always do this thing. barbaric scums.

DarkStorm said...

Again reminds me of the Iron Maiden track "Run to the Hills"

saras said...

Once when Chandrababu was the CM of AP, Sonia went to Tirumala. Any non-Hindu, if he/she want togo into the temple, has to sign in some book saying that he/she has belief in the Lord. When the Temple adminstrators asked her to sign in the book, the Christian Rajasekhara Reddy, the then opposition leader in the state, who accompanied Sonia, shouted at them saying that it was not necessary since she married a Hindu and bulldozed their way into the sanctum sanctorum.

daisies said...

thanks, siva...

rajeev, would sandhya jain take up
this cause ? she writes with such
impact and understands these
subjects so well.

will get in touch with you off-line
on this.

i expect the support of all
right-thinking x'ians also. mostly
the ones who have come here and
declared their love for hindus
and hindu religion.

about the george iypes who whine
that they arent being allowed to
enter temples - why do they whine ?

we have
excellent reasons for allowing
buddhists, and not allowing
x'ians. If Christ is the only way
for them, and they want to convert
all indians, why was George Iype
whining that we dont allow X'ians
inside temples ? Cant he see the
absurdity ? doesnt he know simple
straight logic even a high school
student will understand ?

Rediff even invited him to write a
special column on that. I cant
believe it.

daisies.

(Please nobody reply to my post in
inflammatory tones no matter how
strongly you feel on all these subjects. I only prefer peaceful,
sane, sensible talk that will
eventually lead to some solutions
somewhere).

SunnyWarrior said...

What a thoroughly unresearched post from a supposedly literate "Hindu". Now the residents of East Harlem have diabetes because of "Christian" missionaries and they are getting their pills and the money from "Christian" missionaries? How scientific and rational. Just because you do not "know" of any "Christian" Charity in East Harlem does not mean that there are no "White" Christians/Charities working there.

Besides the situation in East Harlem, Bronx and New Orleans is very different from India
- tribals in India have to walk four days to even get to a hospital if they ever want
medical attention. Of course, all "indigenous cultures" are "preserved" right down to
the medicine man. In name of "preservation of indigenous cultures" you are wiping them
out by neither educating them nor providing them with health care.

Try as you might, you still can't come up with a single case of:
"in other words, once they have successfully converted somebody, then they are on their own, and the missionaries can move on to fresh meat."

What is your excuse for treating the various supposedly Hindu tribes in India like shit?

The truth is easy to understand: Democracy is essentially a game of numbers. So if all the tribals convert and "progress" to a middle-class level exactly who will the Brahmins have to lord it over? And along with such "progress" comes "deforestration". As though,
Hindus plant rice in the middle of forest for "agriculture", live in tree houses supposedly checking out "renewable sources of energy" while driving cars in the US. Surely, you must be using the bio-friendly Ethanol gas when you fill up your hybrids in the US. Oh you do drive a hybrid don't you?

caste is what enabled hinduism to survive when mohammedanism was able to wipe out buddhism so easily. caste meant that hinduism was very distributed, and each person owed allegiance to his caste. thus it was impossible to wipe out all castes. so there was no center to attack (unlike the buddha viharas). it's like a distributed computer system is
much more robust to attack. the local server nodes in the system are the castes, so that people maintained allegiance to a particular caste regardless of whether the barbarians had control of varanasi or mathura. the system was more fault-tolerant.


Nope, the "Brahmanical priesthood" was distributed which is why they were not able to wipe out the Hindus. There was no need for a Hindu priest to go to Varanasi or Mathura to study and no central university that churned out priests (like that of the Buddhists). It is precisely this aspect that the British targeted with the colonial educational institutions. Your statement makes it sound like you support a rigid caste system to which people are born to rather than the original one where you could move between the castes depending upon your talents.

"brahmins because they memorized the scriptures, so they are perfectly preserved"

Right. So did the Jews, Greeks, Sumerians. Memorization and learning by rote was not
relegated to the Brahmins. But "perfectly" preserved? - there have been quite a few embellishments along the way in the oral tradition.

The New Testament alone has over 5000 Greek manuscripts (partial and complete) - copies of all the books of the Bible from the second century to the 15th century. The only book that comes second is Homer's Iliad with 600 manuscripts, the oldest complete text dating from 13th century.

and here's what the alleged christ (he who didn't exist and is a figment of paul's imagination)...

That's a pretty broad claim and I wonder if you can back it up. But no historian worth his salt actually believes that Christ was fictional.

"the bible is riddled with such inconsistencies, so it is hardly divine and infallible"

Your so-called "proof" has been addressed by so many historians that your ignorance of Biblical matters is glaring. In fact, the very reason your "conclusions" about the Bible do not make any headway is precisely because they are ignorant.

india in 1750: the richest country in the world, with 25% of the world's GDP.

christist england: poor country with 2% of world GDP.


By fate or accident, the Industrial Revolution happened in England - the only way to sustain the revolution was colonialism - which is what brought the English to India. It was the idea of "mercantilism" that forerunner to "capitalism" which brought about all of the ills - imperialism, apartheid, slavery (chattel - American style), genocide. It was not religion but purely "business". Now surely that you have enjoyed the fruits of "capitalism" you are not suggesting that we do away with business and trade, are you? After all the British did come to India as a "trading" company.

Slavery was practiced a lot in "pagan" Rome too but I am sure their treatment of slaves

was shall we say, more "humane" :).

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
- Matthew 10:34-36


Bhagavad Gita 2:31 "Considering your specific duty as a kshatriya, you should know that

there is no better engagement for you than fighting on religious principles; and so there is no need for hesitation."

- When Arjuna asked Lord Krishna about killing his own family - uncles, cousins etc.

Koran 9:5 "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. ... "

Koran 9:73 "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them"

It appears to me that fighting the "unbelievers" or on "religious principles" is part of quite a few religions. And that "pagan" empire Rome and Greece that have been

"influenced" by "Vedic" principles appear to have been rather cruel to the Jews and Christians, isn't it? There goes the myth that "paganism" was "inclusive".

And put your money where your mouth is - build something for the benefit of the "poor dispossessed, indigenous people" that you so care about rather than rationalizing Hindu behavior.