Saturday, January 14, 2006

me on rediff on balochistan

jan 6th

http://in.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/06rajeev.htm

31 comments:

Anonymous said...
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non-carborundum said...

Hi,
About Swati's comment - is it not like saying, "Stop using abusive language, you f@#$%$!"?

By the way, read about the Indo pak 'piss' process process somewhere on this blog. Thought I should write a poem on it. Here goes:
__________________________________

The Indo pak piss process

Policies made by bleeding hearts,
ignoramuses and arrogant farts,
screw national interest like a whore.
Invite the enemy in with arms open wide,
through porous borders and now a bus ride,
and other stupidities never seen before.

Glorious Indian armed might,
braving bullets and frostbite,
keeps Paki scum under control.
Plants our flag on reclaimed land,
to be stopped by the diplomatic hand,
that loves the repeat of a past rigmarole.

You might wonder what all this is.
We might say that this the process of piss is,
to lull us all into ignorant blisses,
oblivious to Fidayeen’s death kisses,
despite so many hits and near big misses
- the result of fashionable prejudices.
_________________________________________

P.S.: 'Swati' can go elsewhere for sugar coated articles. Someone should also wash 'Swati's' toilet mouth out with bleaching powder.

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siva said...

hi buddy,

i am not sure whether its just me, in your recent articles you seem to be going soft compared to your previous ones. i am seeing less fire. i don't know. may be its just me.

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siva said...

Bhavnit Bakshi,

nobody is arguing against parsis or sikhs here. they are as patriotic as anybody can get. well what can i say about our president, let me put it this way, he is a very very rare exemption among muslims. you may find more muslims like him and christians like former defence minister fernandes. they are exemptions, they do not represent the real and majority muslims and christians. before you jump to conclusions and start editorialising read the old articles written by rajeev and varsh bhosle. they are archived in the rediff site.

habc said...

Bhavnit Bakshi - You need to look at the big picture.

Also please try to read properly

The article says
"Ruling Classes in India are NOT concerned about lots of Hindus getting killed"

You wrote the article implies
"Minorities are not patriotic"

People should at least learn to read properly and stop ASSUMING things and put words in other people's mouths.

kautilya said...

Ya right ! Time we saw "contribution" of minorities to "our" multiculture..
I can name a few for starters..

1] Roasting alive 59 women and children in a train bogie
2] Cleansing more than 300,000 "majority" folks from a region.
3] Converting North East to Vactican Laboratory.
4] Grabbing Land in Kerela
5] Contributing largely to the fastest growing Industry - aka Terrorism
6] Growing their population by atleast a factor of X x 2.5 greater than its nearest rival community.
7] Involving uncle Sam in national issues and helping US reject visa for a duly elected representative of Indian state..

I am sure there are lot of contributions made to our mutli-culture by the so called minorities. We are overwhelmed and eternally grateful to them. I hope they now spare us of further "contributions"...

nizhal yoddha said...

san

you see, 'swati' is quite aware of what he/she/it is.

that's why it signed off as "fucking nazi".

nice of it to identify itself so clearly. :-)

Bengali Patriot said...

Rajeev,
What about writing an article about mainstream media downplaying Communist terror in West Bengal. You will find lots of data in my blog http://cpmterror.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

"Please do not respond in my blog as it doesn't concern this kind of stuff"
What kind of "stuff" are you referring to?!

a) "...The author does not seem very disturbed about the genuine humanitarian issues. He is concerned with promoting his own agenda...."
Article is consistent in its theme about lack of media coverage of crimes, injustices and abuses against Hindus. If it were specific to situation to Balochistan then title would have been different.

b) "...Or are the Panchajanya and Saamna the author's reference points for "ethical journalism" ?..."
You are twisting words. Where did you read that Panchajanya and Saamna are his reference points? Moreover, can you provide references in India's english media to stories of 3 Hindu girls' abduction in Pakistan and killing of Hindus in Balochistan?


c)"...So when India is in the process of brokering peace with the Musharraf regime, you do not rabidly criticise the actions of that regime..."
Nonsense, a factual report of what's going on in Balochistan and matters concerning Hindus living abroad with brief background can still qualify as "sanitised and politically correct" and does not constitute "rabidly criticise the actions of that regime"


d) "...Further evidence that the article is more concerned with the furtherance of a devious agenda rather than raising sincere concern..."
Why didn't you specify his "devious agenda" in your lengthy rant? Rajeev has been consistently writing only about matters concerning Hindus and sometimes draws parallels and provides references. Why should he concern himself with other genocides? Highlighting issues important to you does not qualify as "devious agenda".

e) "...But maybe these guys just want newspapers to malign Muslims in general?..."
Whoa, easy tiger - "Subversive terrorism, state-sponsored violence, ethnic cleansing are all talked about in the same breath" because when it comes to India, it is all linked by one common thread - Islamic Fundamentalism. And why should reporting about Islamic terrorism be considered same as maligning muslims?!!

f) Wow, you just told us how India's leftist main stream media operates. I am horrified that educated people like you do not change your opinion inspite of evidence on display. Do facts and reality not matter to you? Are Kashmiri Hindus not living in camps? Did Hindus not die in that bombed temple? Did those girls not get kidnapped and converted? Did you read about it in Times Of India? Didn't communist support Parition and supported China in 1962 war?

h) It does not appeal to you because you probably practise some form of self-hatred, common to Indians fed on diet of Times Of India. I guarantee that you occassionally or regularly talk down India's achievement. I know your kind well - thankless, prideless and brainless Indian who doesn't appreciate the beauty that's India.
I can't believe I spent 20 minutes of my time over this but can't let your kind mouthing off and go unchallenged. People like you are like virus that kills host.


-Sage
http://tscali.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

Wow, truth does bring your kind out of woodwork. You want us to believe that you don't have time to come back and check for response to your post? There are plenty of curses and swearing in your reply and that's what people like you do when confronted with FACTS, EVIDENCE and REALITY which you have no stomach to counter and thus resort to such filth. Show me STATISTICS and PROOF else get lost.

-Sage
http://tscali.blogspot.com

kautilya said...

More on India's longest running Soap - "The Gandhis".

You just need to visit the (disgusting) Outlook once to know whats going to happen in the next episode.

Link Here

Seems the Congress workers are desperate to have their Laadla Rahul anointed as PM.

Wonder why ?

Even with a strong media support which shields every thing for this family, right from Volcker to Reservations for minorities, the Congress apparently is feeling the heat now with only one year in office.

They now need a diversion, though i must add that by employing a bunch of desperedos to carry out the so called sting operation on unsuspecting MPs, it has successfully driven the media attention away from Sonia and Volcker.

The pattern is simple. When Sonia's under fire, get Abhijit Bahal and Co to get on with their cameras. The authenticity of the film does not matter. Somnath Chatterjee will take care of the rest, as he does not care of judiciary. He's the King.

A good copy paste job is proof enough for our honourable speaker, who like other communists won't be aware of any such technology - i bet.

habc said...

freak on leash is hereby renamed freak on diarrhoea.

At least learn to write with paragraphs making points coherently.

You text on screen looks like you have diarrhoea.

habc said...

Secularists are narcissists

the refusal to feel fear of things that ought to be feared comes from narcissism. The narcissist must feel completely autonomous. To admit there’s anything outside himself that can threaten him would mean that there’s a real world beyond the self, a world that matters, and this would violent his autonomy. So the narcissist is never fearful or serious about anything. He adopts a nonchalant tone even toward the death of his civilization.

indusAquarius said...

Taking Rajeev's cue, the "thing" that signed off as "All well that ends well. So heres A big "FUCK U " n have a nice day ;)" says:

"so they come up with a dumb,sorry ass story that Ram visited their village so they are all Hindu's(ref to tribals in dangs) (ha ha)"

So I suppose the "thing" is trying to say that since time immemorial (or atleast since the advent of Christ) the Dangs have been practicing Christists. And that honorable missionaries (like Graham Steins who I think should be re-christened, pun intended, to Graham 'Stains' which is what his creed are: Stains) weren't forcefully/deviously propagating their dogma (related to Christ) but just having a frat party with their long lost brothers (LOL)!

Also, dear "thing" before the fate of Dodo's befalls us, I think it would befall the west/Europe, given the way the number of Christists there is dwindling.

The "thing"s definition of an Indian:

"indian(indian as in christian ,muslim, sikh ,south indian hindu included)"

is amazing too! Why don't you, dear "thing" try to have one of your fellow christists patent the term Indian with the above definition. Good luck at that.

Another gem in the "thing"s diatribe is that "Hatred and Communalistic agendas in India" is spread by NRIs who "sit on their fat ass" and are "in this pathetic shit hole". Bravo is all I can say!

Also, You ranted in an earlier post(http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2006/01/sabhainfo-abbe-dubois-silliness.html) that:

"Im a christian Im an indian too by every means. Im into software and my aim is to do my MBA in US and learn how to Build world class infrastructure and come back to india and and build an education cum employment system in software to help aspiring youth in the villages who are deprived of all facilities."

Word of advice to the wise: Please make sure you don't overstay your educational training in the US lest you become one of the NRIs you so beautifully defined above. One more thing, dear "Thing", if all that "education cum employment system in software" mumbo-jumbo doesn't work out for you after your "MBA in us", I must say, you have a great future awaiting you in Bombay's Urdu Movie industry or Indian NGOs or (if the first two don't work out) in one of the premier political organizations of India like the INC, the CPI-ML or the RJD.

indusAquarius said...

Hi Sage,

I posted your rejoinder on the Cringer's blog. He sounded like your typical pseudo-secularist Marxist who are experts in shooting and scooting and therefore I wanted him to see his flawed views put in place.

Am sorry if you disapprove of my action.

daisies said...

Freak Sweetheart,

I appreciate your response, it
takes courage to write like that.

You are a student while I left my
homework days behind over a few
years ago. So maybe you wont mind
my commenting on your assessment
of the "PURE intention of hate"
in the articles, which I too have
looked at extensively.

Take a look at the basis of the
blog, and the reason for the name
Shadow Warrior. It's on the link
at the top of the blog.

The blog owner's intention is not
hatred, although I agree it often
comes across like that.

Candour is sometimes hard to bear
and it feels like hatred, if we
are not strong enough to stomach
it. Sometimes strong words are
necessary, sometimes they are not.
It takes skill to use words
appropriately, and sometimes people
have the skill, sometimes they
dont. And sometimes people have the
time to tone their usage, sometimes
people dont have the time. And
sometimes people lose control, just
like you did.
Best Wishes.

siva said...

Freak On A Leash

When one is criticizing the missionaries (or supporting them in your case) one has to look at the whole picture, not just what happens in one pocket of India. if you study the history of the missionaries, they are actually a front for the white man's nation/state in the past and now they are a front for white man's multi national corporations.
Take the example of missionaries in south America, from Peru to Amazon in brazil. First they used go there with their armies and kill scores of indigenous people, does crusade come to mind? and grab their land. now it is a different strategy, but the intent is the same. recently Venezuela kicked out all the foreign Christian missionaries. are you saying they are also rss/vhp/hindu fanatic? the president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez is a commie for god’s sake. The reason he sighted for driving out the missionaries – among other charges, disturbing the natural way of life of native tribes and exploiting their natural resources.
When the white man came to North America what did the natives did, they welcomed him as pilgrims, that’s how noble the natives were and the white man’s response – he gifted them plague infected bed spreads, which resulted in the death of scores of natives.
Another example is the recently carved out nation of east Timor from Indonesia. At the turn of the century Christians were less than 1 percent of the population and by 1990 they were more than 90%. That part of east Timor was very rich in minerals and other natural resources and now it is officially a Christian country which allows a white Christian Australia to plunder its resources.
So is it a coincidence that the missionaries in India are targeting all the tribes who are in forests which are rich in minerals and other natural resources. And by the way name one non white Christian country that is rich. You can’t because there is none. Philippines to Caribbean to South American, all are in abject poverty. You may ask how they do that, simple give some half baked education, make them to ape for a white man’s life style, drive them to a nearby city or a town, then in 20-30 years practically there will be no one left in the forests and then what’s left is yours. This is exactly how they grabbed all the diamond mines in south Africa. Oh plus killing them in scores also helped. Want proof, Desmond Tutu – the Christian arch bishop of south Africa’s own words “when white man came he had bible, we had all the land, after a while we had bible and he had all the land”. So the white man helping the poor natives sitting on natural resources simply isn’t true. It is just a strategy they use to exploit their resources.

Christian missionary’s knowledge
When you say that missionaries are educating the tribes, what exactly are they teaching? What do the Christian missionaries know that the tribes don’t? In what way is it going to help them? When the tsunami happened, the tribes of Andaman knew exactly what to do. They simply ran to a higher ground and every body survived. Not even one casualty. The so called civilized world was just clue less and died in scores. Thousands of Christians and many Christian missionaries died in velankanni church. I should add that is one of the biggest church in Tamil Nadu. Again I ask what exactly do the Christian missionaries know that the tribes don’t? Infact I would say that the tribes of the forests should teach the rest of the man kind how to co-exist with nature. They should teach us, the “civilized” people how not to exploit nature and make a bon fire out of this planet, mother earth.

Christian missionary’s health care
When you say that the tribes are provided with proper medical care, do you know that they were not even exposed to those diseases before the missionaries went in there in the first place. Tribes of India and north America were very well advanced in natural and herbal medicinal practices. Are you saying that the tribes wouldn’t have existed for thousands of years without the missionaries health care? You can’t be serious. If missionaries were so concerned about the health care of, as you put it “neighbor”, that they “Love” their neighbor as thyself, then how come there are 40 million uninsured Christians living in the white Christian America. Missionaries don’t care for them because there is no return for them in helping them. What this missionaries are doing in the name of health care is just barbarism. They go into the forest, expose the tribes to new viruses, just as they did to the native Americans, then hook them up with new medicines and make them dependent on the multi national drug companies while systematically destroying their indigenous medical practices. The tribes of India wouldn’t need the missionaries medical care in the first if they have kept out of the forests and left the tribes alone. What BJP/RSS/VHP are saying is precisely that. Leave the damn tribes alone in peace. Everybody should learn from the tribes about how to live with nature in peace.

Christianity Vs other religions
When you say that all religion brought a whole lot of ignorance, it may be true. But the basic difference is that a lot of religion said they did not know all the answers and accepted that there may be more than one path to god. What are these religions; basically they are the eastern religions and the native religions of north and south America and the religion of pre-Christian Europe. What did the Semitic religions of Christiany and Islam said and still say, my religion knows every thing and is the only true religion, every body else goes to hell. It commands its followers to kill the unbelievers. That’s how the world got crusades and jihads. So don’t brush all religions are same. It is not, some are better and saner to the extent that they don’t ask their adherents to kill others simply because they follow other religion. You may site some example of Hindus/Buddhist/Sikhs killing others. It may have happened, but the key difference is they are doing it simply because of their own experiences and they have never claimed and will never be able to claim that their holy books told them to so. To what ever extent Hindus/Buddhist/Sikhs/Jains try to misinterpret their religious holy books, they would never be able to hide behind it for killing other religionists. There is no ambiguity. It’s not the case with Christians/Muslims. Their book commands them to do so.

West don’t bring down temples
Are you kidding me when you say that the west don’t bring down temples and ashrams. They don’t do exactly the same as the RSS/VHP does, according to you, but they do it differently. They simply won’t give permission to build it in the first place. Haven’t you read the recent letter written by the head of the Russian orthodox Christian church to the mayor of Moscow urging him to cancel the building permit given to hare Krishna’s. Do you know what was his primary reason for that? He claimed Krishna is a devil. That right, the head of the orthodox Christian church, not some unknown Christian, says that one of the primary deity of Hinduism is a devil. Wasn’t Bhagavan Rajneesh poisoned and deported from USA. Attacks on Hindu temples happen everyday in Christian Caribbean and Christian Fiji. A Hindu Prime Minister of Fiji was over thrown in a military coup by a Christian fundamentalist, and the reason he cited among other things were that the PM is not a Christian. So much for Christianity’s tolerance for other religion. If you are in the US, then you should see the Reverend Pat Robertsons’ and Reverend Jerry Falwells’. Religious bigots, they are the true face of Christianity. Pat Robertson openly called for banning Hindus from entering US. Where do you think the missionaries get their money from, it flows from these bigots organisations.

So my dear snow flake, you are wrong on so many things. So do some research and learn, will you?

daisies said...

The mistaken identity referred to
in an earlier post was the general
problem identifying South asain
muslims vs hindus.

Salwar Kameez is commonly worn by
both Hindu and Muslim women. In
the west, Hindu women dont always
wear bindi, so it's not easy to
tell who is a Hindu or a muslim.

So in a typical post 9/11 or 7/7
backlash, all got targeted uniformly. I know one hate crime in
the California Bay Area, a Punjabi
Hindu family's house got burnt down
by a stranger in a hate crime. They
welcomed a stranger who needed a
place to stay temporarily, and the
result was arson - their whole
house burnt down and everything
they owned was wiped out.

This is what that article meant
when it says "mistaken identity".
It's hard to tell who is a muslim or a hindu, and hater takes it out
equally on hindus and muslims, in
any post terrorism backlash in the
west.

Off-topic - Art of Living in Bay
Area came to this family's rescue
and helped their lives normalise.

daisies said...

for the few who resorted to hate
crimes in backlash, there were
many, many thousands who did not.

can we label an entire community
as hateful because of the actions
of a few ?

individual weakness plays a big
role in determining an individual's
response to these tragic acts of
terrorism by the mad people from
the "prophet's religion".

the true test of any
religion/spirituality is when we
are faced with tough times. the weak retaliate through hateful
and irresponsible acts. the strong
find strength in the own inner core
of spirituality. they retaliate only in meaningful and appropriate
ways.

i have seen strong people in both
Hinduism and Christianity.

Anonymous said...

You are so irritating...so many words without making a point. Make well-formed arguments, possibly backing them up with FACTS, write them down in Microsoft Word with Spell Check turned on and then copy&paste it here. I am not sure what are you defending and what you stand for. Such diarrhoea of words is a waste of bytes.

-Sage
http://tscali.blogspot.com

siva said...

Freak On A Leash

First of all I second what sage has said.

Second, from the limited understanding of what you have “written”, here is my take.

I never said I know everything, so don’t say some thing I did not say. I also did not see anything wrong in asking some one to learn based on what they have written, particularly when they write gibberish.

I also did not say I will second some half baked secularist idea of all religion are same. I am going to give the view point of Hindus and other eastern religions. Once again I say not all religions are same, some are better and saner. In swami Vivekananda’s own words – a Hindu will not hesitate to say I don’t know. That’s why I say that Hinduism and other eastern religions are better than the dogmatic, superstitious Christianity and Islam. Read the new book, The end of faith: Religion, Terror & The Future of Reason by Sam Harris, to learn more.

Yes, crusaders, popes, inquisitors and missionaries (including one Missionary Terrorist, MT of Kolkata, does this ring a bell for anybody here) are the same people. I did not mix them up. I am just smart enough to see through their evil designs. They just use different strategy and tactics for different time to achieve their goal, mission in this case to be precise. They all come from the same ideology and all want to achieve the same goal. Dear you also said that I mix up Christianity and Islam. Yes I did that because they are same or may I say two sides of the same coin. Basically they are barbaric in nature, using different strategies to subjugate other religionists. They were the one’s who introduced crusades, inquisition and jihad to the world. Being a follower of non semitic religion, I don’t see any difference between these two desert cults.

If you area human first, then behave like one. Stopping parroting what the ELM, jihadhists/terrorists and missionaries/terrorists are saying about Sangh Parivar. Think. Also stop repeating the commies and missionary definition of Hinduism. Caste system prevails in every society in the world. Caste in India is no different from class system in UK. Caste system was an arrangement setup by society during ancient times. Note, none of this job is deemed inferior to others in those days. Very good example is that the job of sudras, it is classified that it represents the feet of a human body. That’s why to honor them (sudras) symbolically Hindus touch the feet of a deity or an elderly person to get their blessings. It has nothing to do with Hinduism and none of the present day practice is subscribed in any of the holy Hindu scriptures. It is just a societal thing, want proof, new untouchable Christian converts are not allowed to sit in the front in any of the church in Tamil Nadu, just like white Christians treated black Christians in pre 1960 America and lower caste Muslims are not allowed to marry upper caste Muslims in the most conservative Muslim society of North Western Frontier Province in Pakistan. Which ironically claims as land of the pure Muslims. FYI there is no caste system among Tamil Hindus of Sri Lanka even though they have been living there for thousands of years. On the other hand slavery is justified in both bible and quran. White Christians of Europe and America justified their slave trade citing bible. There are innumerable examples, just google bible+slavery and research for yourself. Similarly go to faithfreedom.org or google koran+slavery and see the proof for yourself. Learn before you judge others, do you see now why I called you as a snow flake!

Applying your standard of comfort to others is a moronic thing anybody can do. One might think being a millionaire is being very rich. Would a billionaire will say the same? So stop applying your half baked standards to others and jump to conclusions. I am neither saying they are comfortable nor uncomfortable. All I am saying is that the last thing they need is the barbaric Christian missionaries to exploit them.

When I say that the 40 million Americans are with out health care I did not mix religion and politics. Its you who did not understand my point. I am saying why don’t the same white Christian missionaries provide health care for those Americans without health coverage and show their “Love”. They won’t do that, because there is no benefit for them in doing so. By the way this love thing is just a bullshit strategy missionaries use for their marketing purposes.

And to all other points you raised, I have already answered them. I suggest you read my earlier post, however number of times it may be necessary for you to understand.

daisies said...

siva,
superb delineation in all your
posts, please write more often..

folks,
here is an article from rediff
9th Jan, worth reading:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/jan/09franc.htm

daisies said...

Darkstorm,
Glad you're back...
I posted you a comment at the
other article - the "Hindus caught
in backlash" thing...

daisies said...

Kalyani,

I will have to remind you that on
the Alexander thing I only brought
in some information in general
support of your comment.

Other than this, I will only let
everyone know that I do not come
here to sweeten anyone or anything.
It is my nature to be whatever I
am, and yours to be whatever you
are. And the same is true of anyone
here.

daisies said...

Kalyani,

You may not have been looking for
support on Alexander thing, but I
had info to share on Alexander. I
offered it for any blog reader's
benefit, not for providing crutches
for you. Sharing information is
done all the time on this blog.

Mathew, on the other hand was
directly OPPOSING my good cheer. It
was none of his business!!!

I dont think Rajeev made any rule
that good cheer is banned on his
blog. So Mathew had NO business to
call me an ex-hippie bimbo from
LA. That was the name-calling
he did to me. So I wrote back to
him.

I truly dont care a wee bit
what you feel about peace.

I wish you all the best with your
great roaring and hope you will be
the lioness leading this blog and
our whole country to Hindu victory.

May you be the country's next PM.

(Though personally, I would rather
vote for Sonia Gandhi than you, if
I am ever faced with such a choice.
For me, it will be a Hobson's
choice).

And I as a cowardly sheep, am now
going to run away, bleating in
fear.

nizhal yoddha said...

i just read cringe's "views". he, of course, is "sensible and informed" according to him. one plus point for him over the illiterate freak, at least we can understand what he is trying to say.

but i am amused at his ignorant arrogance.

i know the type: iit student who inhales time and newsweek and american fiction, preparing himself to go to america ASAP. heck, my friends and i were probably like that once upon a time. and pretty cocky to boot.
but i dont remember being this arrogant and close-minded. clearly this boy has been nicely brainwashed by a semitic education system into being totally dogmatic.

some of us grow up eventually. this boy probably won't. he'll turn into an asha/aids supporter and will be chasing after the jholawali bra-burning banshees who do the jnu -> harvard thing. he'll be salivating hoping for some easy sex. watch him get the shock of his life when he realizes they only bonk white guys or pakistanis and that they despise him as a mere brown indian/hindu. then he might rethink his dogma.

what a twerp! good luck in life, boy.

non-carborundum said...

Come on guys! Dont't stop now.
Only nine more comments and we'll have a century!

non-carborundum said...

No I don't think Sunny Warrior is a JNU passout because you have to pass all your papers to be a passout. He could be a JNU dropout though.

non-carborundum said...

Thanks Kalyani.
The poem was not impromptu - it was inspired from this blog though.