Thursday, January 05, 2006

From the mailbox: It's the demography, stupid

jan 5th

white guy worries about his civilization disappearing. i have no idea who he is, but he sounds like a bushie-type.

he *should* worry about his civilization disappearing. the barbarians are within and without. the barbarians within include the marxists and the moral relativists.

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From: S
Subject: It's the demography, stupid

The New Criterion, Volume 24, January 2006, on page 10
 It's the demography, stupid By Mark Steyn  
Most people reading this have strong stomachs, so let me lay it out as baldly as I can: Much of what we loosely call the western world will not survive this century, and much of it will effectively disappear within our lifetimes, including many if not most western European countries. There'll probably still be a geographical area on the map marked as Italy or the Netherlands— probably—just as in Istanbul there's still a building called St. Sophia's Cathedral. But it's not a cathedral; it's merely a designation for a piece of real estate. Likewise, Italy and the Netherlands will merely be designations for real estate. The challenge for those who reckon western civilization is on balance better than the alternatives is to figure out a way to save at least some parts of the west.

One obstacle to doing that is the fact that, in the typical election campaign in your advanced industrial democracy, the political platforms of at least one party in the United States and pretty much all parties in the rest of the west are largely about what one would call the secondary impulses of society—government health care, government day care (which Canada's thinking of introducing), government paternity leave (which Britain's just introduced). We've prioritized the secondary impulse over the primary ones: national defense, family, faith, and, most basic of all, reproductive activity—"Go forth and multiply," because if you don't you won't be able to afford all those secondary-impulse issues, like cradle-to-grave welfare. Americans sometimes don't understand how far gone most of the rest of the developed world is down this path: In the Canadian and most Continental cabinets, the defense ministry is somewhere an ambitious politician passes through on his way up to important jobs like the health department. I don't think Don Rumsfeld would regard it as a promotion if he were moved to Health & Human Services.

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http://www.newcriterion.com/archives/24/01/its-the-demography/

12 comments:

lazysusan said...

Dear Mr. Rajeev,

I bit off topic to this post...

Recently I came across this website, which gives clear evidence that the Taj Mahal was in reality a Hindu Shiva Temple, built by Raja Jai Singh (what some knowledgable people have been saying since long). I am sure you already know all this.

Tejo-Mahalaya (called Taj Mahal later), was appropriated & taken over by the Mughals (Shah Jahan) from Jai Singh. They destroyed whatever they could of the Hindu symbols & statues of deities and the insult upon injury is that it was then used as a burial ground.

The point is not just that it was confiscated & desecrated by the Mughals, but its Hindu reality has been completely whitewashed by the Shah Jahan-Mumtaz Mahal concoction. First by the Mughals themselves, then by the British (who always sought to pit Hindus and Muslims against each other...making sure to keep the resentment burning), later by the pseudo-secular Indira Gandhi (who banned the book by Mr. Oak who sought to bring the truth in the open & threatened to prosecute the publisher). This is where the matter stands to this day. Thankfully today we have the internet, which is an open source.

Here is ample proof of it's being a Hindu temple and of the Shah Jahan-Mumtaz Mahal story being that what it is...a story.

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm

(photos are at the end of the page, check the various informative links on the page too)

Please check out ALL the photos & their description on that page....the most damning evidence against Taj Mahal being built by Shahajahan is the close up of the pinnacle on top of the Taj (photo#5), which very clearly shows the Hindu kalash, mango leaves & coconut (exactly like the one used in Hindu religious ceremonies). The Arabic 'Allah' is etched on it (obviously by the Mughals) !

Do you think the Mughal LIE of the Taj Mahal should still be repeated and propagated ? How can we make the ASI (according to the weblink, the ASI knows this...)reveal the details & declare the truth on this ?

Regards,
Sonali

cyniclearner said...

I guess Right to Information can be used to prod ASI knowledge public about Taj.


+
according to the weblink, the ASI knows this...)reveal the details & declare the truth on this ?

indusAquarius said...

Sorry About the OT:

Jammu is the Hindu majority region of Jammu and Kashmir. Naturally the idea of 'Azadi' is completely alien to this region. Moreover, it is a very patriotic region (with Dogras always willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause of India and also forming one of the most valiant and decorated Regiments in the Indian Army).

Kashmiris (that is the ones currently occupying Kashmir, not the Pandits who have been driven out) are the scourge of India.

The below article appeared in a Srinagar based newspaper. The scum has the tenacity of suggesting that "Jammu sounds receptive to Azadi slogan".

I hope Rajeev you mention this in one of your Rediff article just to raise some voice about this.

Also, the scum calls Shiv Sena a "Hindu extremist outfit". Good one this, coming from the mouth of a Kashmiri Muslim!

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_story.asp?ItemID=14008&cat=1

KapiDhwaja said...

Nice article by a Gora from yahoo finance...
link

Rishi Gajria said...

Moral Relativism!

Rajeev Bhai, wouldnt that describe us Hindus?

slim_shady said...

Not necessarily. There are some fundamentals we theoritically agree upon such as cow slaughter.

But in some cases you are right: a person's Dharma depends on his Varna and Ashrama.

virat0 said...

Rishi,
Hindus are not relativists, as taught in Derrida's subject, widely in India too. Relativity is obvious, for you this describes hindus, for me there are other ways. Between you and me there is a solution to this.

The idea of dharma is as subtle as it gets, through this maze they ultimately discard the relativity in an expanse that mortals say as death, a white or safrron attired hindu says life. The Varna and Ashrama are not mere intellectual concepts, or 'thoughts' as nobel winning physicist Feynman ridicules to the relativists. To find how these people are misguided , read Feynman's nature of gravitational law. In that book he ridicules the relativists, how they bundle everything as a thought. The hindus knew this aspect. In the current age, everything is intellectualized. Here hindu is an identity, and we can defend that much only.

The person who worries about the western civillization unfortunately will either contribute to arrogance of thought or conversion. They don't have any better tools.

habc said...

Rajiv,

Your opinion of Steyn was pretty much on the mark

Mark Steyn is a very popular on blogs. I like his writing style. Here is a sample of his writing style
Media utters nonsense, won't call enemy out
http://commonsensewonder.com/mtarchives/008493.shtml

There is some criticism of him as being a neo-con from a traditional conservative perspective
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004823.html

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004833.html
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004847.html

The guy who writes VFR has some very good posts on India - You will like his posts on India
The anti-national liberalism at the core of Indian national identity
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003861.html

India and Pakistan: why the mass killings occurred
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003862.html

Jihad in India
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003872.html

The Bushite response to terror in India
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004433.html

If you liked his views about India - here is a sample of his views on Islam
Islam as a computer program for world conquest
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004636.html

saras said...

habc!

I liked the discussion on 'why the mass killings occurred'.

I think it is true: 'Price of peace in a country with a large Muslim minority is to have a barbaric mindset.'
You can not drive the Hindus into the ocean. Ultimaltely, they have nowhere to go. The basic survival instinct takes over, when they are faced with certain extinction and will force them to become barbarians. That is how Hinduism is going to survive in this country. This great religion has survived for over 5000 years and it will survive forever. The thought makes me feel very happy!

KapiDhwaja said...

cyniclearner, that was a good article posted in your blogsite. I am posting it for the benefit of readers here..

The Public Affairs Magazine- Newsinsight.net
The Public Affairs Magazine- Newsinsight.net

Enemy at the gates
Chinese spies are everywhere, and we don’t seem to be scared.

25 November 2005: Following the prime minister, Manmohan Singh’s address to the combined military commanders’ conference, the Chinese spoke to the Russians, the South East Asians, Indian officials and Left contacts about their concerns. Typically, they did not reveal themselves, but gauged the reaction and responses of others. They understood, in the broadest terms, that the PM had spoken of a new emerging multipolar world, in which the United States had a special place, and that India had to recognise this reality.

The Chinese have been concerned about the growing Indian-US strategic partnership, commencing from the somewhat indiscreet and unnecessary disclosure by a senior visiting American official earlier this year, that the Bush administration was keen to see India as a great power. No state can make another a great power, this being dependent on various inherent strengths, including economic and military strength and political resilience, and a country’s own greatness, and second, beyond a point, no power would want competition, much less build up another to provide that competition. It is true, one great power can shore up another state as a buffer, an ally, or to provide competition to a strategic rival, but all this is very relative. Even if the Americans meant well, they alerted and angered the Chinese, who thence began the first of the serious snooping about emerging India-US relations.

Their concerns were further and greatly heightened by the 18-July Indo-US civilian nuclear agreement, which they have subsequently tried their best to undermine. One is at the level of the Nuclear Suppliers’ Group countries, where it is preventing a consensus for India’s admittance, banned since the 1974 nuclear test from receiving atomic fuels and related technologies, and at the second level, it has been prodding Pakistan to demand a similar parity from the US, knowing America will refuse, and despite Pakistan’s notorious proliferation record. Either by coincidence or design, the Left parties, especially those who have fraternal relations with China, part of the international Communist brotherhood, have opposed the 18 July agreement as well, but knowing their leverage to be limited, the Chinese have not relaxed their vigil, but raised it, and now, all aspects of Indian’s expanding relations, with the United States and others, is being watched hawkeyed.

Known to the Indian agencies, but apparently powerless to stop it, the Chinese have begun extensive espionage on India’s external interests. The Taiwanese, who usually do not get the time of day with Indian foreign office officials, who are frightened of offending the Chinese, are yet being tailed twenty-four hours a day round the year by the Chinese here. In lesser degree, the same is the case with the Japanese, the South Koreans, and others in South East Asia, including Vietnam. The fear of the Chinese is so acute that South Korea is being prevented from establishing closer military ties, although they are glad to be junior partners, and the Vietnamese are waiting without much hope for a strategic relationship.

All of ASEAN, but particularly Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Thailand and Indonesia, are troubled or terrified of Chinese expansionism. In South East Asia, over twenty-year-old Chinese plans to establish political and economic hegemony have borne fruit, and now, China is trying to press its military might there. The Chinese defence minister, Cao Gangchuan, when he was previously the army chief, had proposed Chinese force projection beyond the South China Sea, an unprecedented thinking in the PLA. This went ahead of the garland-of-pearls strategy, which is setting up forward military bases, like in the ports touching or easily accessible to the Indian Ocean, and the more immediate pressure of Cao Gangchuan’s thinking is being felt by the pro-West ASEAN states.

This is not the result of strategic competition within the region, Japan, which alone could have provided some competition to China, has gone into a shell, especially after its failure to enter the UN Security Council, and others are not in the same league. What China has attempted, and succeeded at partly, is to get hegemony over South East Asia, its own backyard, so to say, and then make the great leap forward, as a power to challenge the United States. This is nearly the route the United States took in the earlier phases of its rise to dominance, controlling the Americas, and the more serious and insightful American commentators are increasingly speaking of China as the default power in case the US does not overcome its blunders after 9/ 11.

Where India figures, is that China ranks it third among the troublesome powers, after the United States and European Union/ Russia, and ASEAN takes fourth place. To show opposition to China, both Thailand and Indonesia have sought Prithvi and BrahMos missiles (Intelligence, “Thailand, Indonesia seek BrahMos, Prithvi,” 23 November 2005), but India is undecided, fearful of the Chinese reaction. Several South East Asian states desire these missiles, but the Indian government is unable to take a stand, and there is also Left pressure on the Centre. The Indian military is pressing hardest for a full-scope defence engagement with South East Asia, the success of the Look East policy is predicated on this, but the Chinese scare comes in the way. It hardly speaks for our courage that Chinese espionage in this country is being allowed untrammeled. “After the US, I thought I could work best here in India, because of its democracy, but the Chinese are on my tail all the time,” said an ASEAN diplomat.

The loser, in this case, is India.

All That 'Predicated' Jazz said...

Mr S

Are you the same person who anchors news show on NDTV. If you are, you are doing a fantasitc job.

Could you create a profile link on the main page of your blog and write a bit about yourself.

Thanks

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