Well, they got a take care of surplus testosterone in their population. There's no better way than to hike them across Himalayas to punish arrogant Indians!
It is good keep the main info and links on the blog main page and move your opinion to the comments section, even if you are the one posting it. I like San's posts for this reason.
Well, this doesn't apply to Rajeev - he is a gifted hard hitter and almost always enjoyable. He is an exception.
Could it be that China can send India back to the age of Chandragupta Maurya and we can't do jackshit in return. Per Brahma Chellaney we don't even have a minimal deterrence let alone a credible one.
About a year ago I had a vitriolic discussion with the blog owners about China. I still stand by it. Indian army shits in its pants when it comes to China. A bitter fact.
It happens like this, the stronger person takes the frustration on the weaker person. eg. Boss shouting on husband, the man shouting on his wife, wife shouting on the kid, kid hitting the dog on the street and dog biting the boss...
After facing brickbats across the world and getting bad press inspite of aggressive propoganda and setting up 'pro-china' activists to counter the popular pro-tibet protests and Tibet getting much publicity and a probable boycott looming ahead, China wnats to hit out and what better target than one which cannot hit back... Indhimmia.. Having a dhimmi PM and a youth-affairs minister who is 71 years of age and where the government covers up that its ambassor was not summoned at 2:00 AM. (See the comments in rediff post)
Anyway, in the article the Chinese reminds us of our defeat in the war, we need to remind them the way they were kicked out by the Vietnamese border guards and the author mentions of their skyscrapers, which are made by slave-like labour and which Rajeev mentioned are not occupied (similar to the propaganda village in North Korea just across the NKorea-Skorea border???)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Village
A nice article by Claude Arpi- 10 positive things about the recent events in Tibet http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/apr/07claude.htm.
Tambu, Chinese Army maybe bigger, but bigger armies do not mean victory. Look at the former USSR in Afghanisthan and America in Vietnam. Remember that China is sorrounded by torublesome borders. Yes, India cannot go alone.... We need to rope in others (Taiwan, Jap, SK, Vietnam, Russia, Turkistan-Former Soviet 'stan' countries, Mongolia etc.)and then your China will be nothing... It will break away like how former USSR did, though not peacefully unlike USSR. And do not misunderestimate the Indian army. Indian army has time again shown to the world what it can do... wars dating back to the Prussian war speak volumes of the Indian soldiers' bravery. Yes, bravery alone doesnt win battles... we need technology too and Indian army is not what Indian army once was... too much politics has come in and moreover the silly policies and hindrances be it in arms procurement or in salaries or recruitment (reservation as per Sachar) have started causing little rust in the armour.
And why is that Tambidude? Do you think Chinese army shits in its pants when it comes to the American military? Could you explain how they fought the Russians over Damansky island when the Soviet Union was immensely powerful than them or over Korea?
Have you ever thought what would happen if China were to attack India? They risk a ready justification for the world to gang up against them citing Chinese hegemony and imperialism. And what will happen if and when they fight Taiwan? Will they have to worry about their backward flank forever if they ever misadventured in our north.
It is a mind game as much as it is materials game. The Europeans too were worried about the Russian bear on their eastern flank. "Shitting in their pants" to use your term.
I conclude "shitting in its pants" from the way we have conducted ourselves. When has india shown some spunk in dealing with china.
This is what Brahma Chellaney wrote in TOI
"India's obsequiousness toward China is 'demeaning' said Brahma Chellany in the Delhi Times of India, and the Indian government has meekly accepted the treatment. Recently, for example, the Chinese government summoned the Indian ambassador in Beijing in the middle of the night to complain about the activities of Tibet's leader, the Dalai Lama, who lives in exile in India. The 'correct response' to such a rude an peremptory request would have been a polite declaration that the ambassador would arive in the morning. Instead, she 'dociley turned up at the Chinese foreign office at 2 am'. And, it's not just out diplomats who behave like vassals--the Indian army does too. Last fall, Chinese forces 'provocatively destroyed some Indian army bunkers' on the China-India border. Yet our own army cheif 'had the gall' to say that India is just as much to blame as China in cross-border dlashes. It's as if the Chinese were writing the script, and Indian leaders obediantly mouthing the words. 'The more power China accumulates, the mroe it will seek to humiliate India. It is past time India got its act together to deal with Chinese provocations deftly'"
The short and sweet summary of what BC wrote is "INDIA SHITS IN ITS PANTS WHEN IT COMES TO CHINA".
Significant part of the world did not get its ass kicked from china like some country in 1962.
Significant part of the world do not lose territory (however small it may be ) on a regular basis while the army claims everything is fine at the border.
Why else did Gen McArthur talk of dropping atomic bombs (30 at that) on Eastern China?
Americans got whooped quite badly during Korean war.
The Russians too had to threaten the Chinese with nukes over the islands issue.
Vietnam lost to China too.
Significant parts of world may not have suffered, but significant players did. With the Chinese haughtiness on the rise it is only a matter of time before they have to meet it one or way other. All that hasn't meant they are "shitting in pants."
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So its a warning, huh?
BRING IT ON, I say. Let's settle the border issue & the Tibetan question right now.
If China is so powerful, why do they keep begging for Arunachal? Why don't they just march across the Himalayas and take it?
Well, they got a take care of surplus testosterone in their population. There's no better way than to hike them across Himalayas to punish arrogant Indians!
It is good keep the main info and links on the blog main page and move your opinion to the comments section, even if you are the one posting it. I like San's posts for this reason.
Well, this doesn't apply to Rajeev - he is a gifted hard hitter and almost always enjoyable. He is an exception.
Could it be that China can send India back to the age of Chandragupta Maurya and we can't do jackshit in return. Per Brahma Chellaney we don't even have a minimal deterrence let alone a credible one.
About a year ago I had a vitriolic discussion with the blog owners about China. I still stand by it. Indian army shits in its pants when it comes to China. A bitter fact.
It happens like this, the stronger person takes the frustration on the weaker person.
eg. Boss shouting on husband, the man shouting on his wife, wife shouting on the kid, kid hitting the dog on the street and dog biting the boss...
After facing brickbats across the world and getting bad press inspite of aggressive propoganda and setting up 'pro-china' activists to counter the popular pro-tibet protests and Tibet getting much publicity and a probable boycott looming ahead, China wnats to hit out and what better target than one which cannot hit back... Indhimmia..
Having a dhimmi PM and a youth-affairs minister who is 71 years of age and where the government covers up that its ambassor was not summoned at 2:00 AM. (See the comments in rediff post)
Anyway, in the article the Chinese reminds us of our defeat in the war, we need to remind them the way they were kicked out by the Vietnamese border guards and the author mentions of their skyscrapers, which are made by slave-like labour and which Rajeev mentioned are not occupied (similar to the propaganda village in North Korea just across the NKorea-Skorea border???)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Village
A nice article by Claude Arpi- 10 positive things about the recent events in Tibet
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/apr/07claude.htm.
Tambu, Chinese Army maybe bigger, but bigger armies do not mean victory. Look at the former USSR in Afghanisthan and America in Vietnam. Remember that China is sorrounded by torublesome borders. Yes, India cannot go alone....
We need to rope in others (Taiwan, Jap, SK, Vietnam, Russia, Turkistan-Former Soviet 'stan' countries, Mongolia etc.)and then your China will be nothing... It will break away like how former USSR did, though not peacefully unlike USSR.
And do not misunderestimate the Indian army. Indian army has time again shown to the world what it can do... wars dating back to the Prussian war speak volumes of the Indian soldiers' bravery. Yes, bravery alone doesnt win battles... we need technology too and Indian army is not what Indian army once was... too much politics has come in and moreover the silly policies and hindrances be it in arms procurement or in salaries or recruitment (reservation as per Sachar) have started causing little rust in the armour.
And why is that Tambidude? Do you think Chinese army shits in its pants when it comes to the American military? Could you explain how they fought the Russians over Damansky island when the Soviet Union was immensely powerful than them or over Korea?
Have you ever thought what would happen if China were to attack India? They risk a ready justification for the world to gang up against them citing Chinese hegemony and imperialism. And what will happen if and when they fight Taiwan? Will they have to worry about their backward flank forever if they ever misadventured in our north.
It is a mind game as much as it is materials game. The Europeans too were worried about the Russian bear on their eastern flank. "Shitting in their pants" to use your term.
I conclude "shitting in its pants" from the way we have conducted ourselves. When has india shown some spunk in dealing with china.
This is what Brahma Chellaney wrote in TOI
"India's obsequiousness toward China is 'demeaning'
said Brahma Chellany in the Delhi Times of India, and the Indian
government has meekly accepted the treatment. Recently, for example,
the Chinese government summoned the Indian ambassador in Beijing in
the middle of the night to complain about the activities of Tibet's
leader, the Dalai Lama, who lives in exile in India. The 'correct
response' to such a rude an peremptory request would have been a
polite declaration that the ambassador would arive in the morning.
Instead, she 'dociley turned up at the Chinese foreign office at 2
am'. And, it's not just out diplomats who behave like vassals--the
Indian army does too. Last fall, Chinese forces 'provocatively
destroyed some Indian army bunkers' on the China-India border. Yet our
own army cheif 'had the gall' to say that India is just as much to
blame as China in cross-border dlashes. It's as if the Chinese were
writing the script, and Indian leaders obediantly mouthing the words.
'The more power China accumulates, the mroe it will seek to humiliate
India. It is past time India got its act together to deal with Chinese
provocations deftly'"
The short and sweet summary of what BC wrote is "INDIA SHITS IN ITS PANTS WHEN IT COMES TO CHINA".
How is that any different from the behavior of mayor Gavin Newsom during the recent SF torch rally?
I can cite western diplomats and leaders behaving in an equally demeaning manner. By your gross interpretation all of them are "shitting in pants"?
This kind of crude oversimplification, common among desis I should say, ends up us conceding the mental battle even before the physical one has begun.
and do you think you denying all this will change the fact that we appear spineless against china ????
ps: is spineless more dignified than shitting in the pants.
pps: I have also see another trait among desis. that is, to debate endlessly as if all these debates have any value.
I don't have to deny anything here, because your "fact" implies significant part of the world is "shitting in their pants" before China.
It is not a "fact."
Add needless "ps" and "pps" to your list.
Significant part of the world did not get its ass kicked from china like some country in 1962.
Significant part of the world do not lose territory (however small it may be )
on a regular basis while the army claims everything is fine at the border.
what do you say about the above 'facts'.
Why else did Gen McArthur talk of dropping atomic bombs (30 at that) on Eastern China?
Americans got whooped quite badly during Korean war.
The Russians too had to threaten the Chinese with nukes over the islands issue.
Vietnam lost to China too.
Significant parts of world may not have suffered, but significant players did. With the Chinese haughtiness on the rise it is only a matter of time before they have to meet it one or way other. All that hasn't meant they are "shitting in pants."
Oh well. this is an unending debate.
I really wish that china meets its waterloo soon.
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