Monday, August 10, 2009

china's plan for india: disintegration

aug 10th, 2009

no doubt this will be greeted with a frisson of glee, if not sexual arousal, by the usual suspects -- the garland-bearing ones, the swiss-account types, et al.

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http://www.c3sindia.org/india/719

CHENNAI CENTRE FOR CHINA STUDIES

China Should break up the Indian Union, suggests a Chinese Strategist

D.S.Rajan, C3S Paper No.325 dated August 9, 2009

Almost coinciding with the 13th round of Sino-Indian border talks (New
Delhi, August 7-8, 2009), an article (in Chinese language) has
appeared in China captioned "If China takes a little action, the
so-called Great Indian Federation can be broken up" ( Zhong Guo Zhan
Lue Gang, www.iiss.cn , Chinese,8 August 2009). Interestingly, it has
been reproduced in several other strategic and military websites of
the country and by all means, targets the domestic audience. The
authoritative host site is located in Beijing and is the new edition
of one, which so far represented the China International Institute for
Strategic Studies (www.chinaiiss.org).

Claiming that Beijing's 'China-Centric' Asian strategy, provides for
splitting India, the writer of the article, Zhan Lue (strategy), has
found that New Delhi's corresponding 'India-Centric' policy in Asia,
is in reality a 'Hindustan centric' one. Stating that on the other
hand 'local centres' exist in several of the country's provinces
(excepting for the U.P and certain Northern regions), Zhan Lue has
felt that in the face of such local characteristics, the 'so-called'
Indian nation cannot be considered as one having existed in history.

According to the article, if India today relies on any thing for
unity, it is the Hindu religion. The partition of the country was
based on religion. Stating that today nation states are the main
current in the world, it has said that India could only be termed now
as a "Hindu Religious state'. Adding that Hinduism is a decadent
religion as it allows caste exploitation and is unhelpful to the
country's modernization, it described the Indian government as one in
a dilemma with regard to eradication of the caste system as it
realizes that the process to do away with castes may shake the
foundation of the consciousness of the Indian nation.

The writer has argued that in view of the above, China in its own
interest and the progress of whole Asia, should join forces with
different nationalities like Assamese, Tamils, and Kashmiris and
support the latter in establishing independent nation-states of their
own, out of India. In particular, the ULFA in Assam, a territory
neighboring China, can be helped by China so that Assam realizes its
national independence.

The article has also felt that for Bangladesh, the biggest threat is
from India, which wants to develop a great Indian Federation extending
from Afghanistan to Myanmar. India is also targeting China with
support to Vietnam's efforts to occupy Nansha (Spratly) group of
islands in South China Sea. Hence the need for China's consolidation
of its alliance with Bangladesh, a country with which the US and Japan
are also improving their relations to counter China. It has pointed
out that China can give political support to Bangladesh enabling the
latter to encourage ethnic Bengalis in India to get rid of Indian
control and unite with Bangladesh as one Bengali nation; if the same
is not possible, creation of at least another free Bengali nation
state as a friendly neighbour of Bangladesh, would be desirable, for
the purpose of weakening India's expansion and threat aimed at forming
a 'unified South Asia'.

The punch line in the article has been that to split India, China can
bring into its fold countries like Pakistan, Nepal and Bhutan, support
ULFA in attaining its goal for Assam's independence, back aspirations
of Indian nationalities like Tamils and Nagas, encourage Bangladesh to
give a push to the independence of West Bengal and lastly recover the
90,000 sq km. territory in Southern Tibet.

Wishing for India's break-up into 20-30 nation-states like in Europe,
the article has concluded by saying that if the consciousness of
nationalities in India could be aroused, social reforms in South Asia
can be achieved, the caste system can be eradicated and the region can
march along the road of prosperity.

The Chinese article in question will certainly outrage readers in
India. Its suggestion that China can follow a strategy to dismember
India, a country always with a tradition of unity in diversity, is
atrocious, to say the least. The write-up could not have been
published without the permission of the Chinese authorities, but it is
sure that Beijing will wash its hands out of this if the matter is
taken up with it by New Delhi. It has generally been seen that China
is speaking in two voices – its diplomatic interlocutors have always
shown understanding during their dealings with their Indian
counterparts, but its selected media is pouring venom on India in
their reporting. Which one to believe is a question confronting the
public opinion and even policy makers in India. In any case, an
approach of panic towards such outbursts will be a mistake, but also
ignoring them will prove to be costly for India.

(The writer, D.S.Rajan, is Director of Chennai Centre for China
Studies, Chennai, India, email: dsrajan@gmail.com).

18 comments:

Shahryar said...

West Bengal a "free Bengali nation state as a friendly neighbour of Bangladesh" ROTFL!

Perhaps the author should study the history of Bengal - start with My People, Uprooted by Tathagata Roy.

M. Patil said...

Unfortunately, I think I will see another partition of India in my life time.

I can live with it, if there is complete exchange of population. In return for partition of Bengal, Assam and Kashmir with defendable borders.

Malavika

M.Patil

KapiDhwaja said...

Well our own strategists like Brahma Chellaney, Bharat Verma, Bharat Karnad et al, should also write articles on how India can arm and support Uighurs, Tibetans and other non-Han ethnic groups to take on the Hans and aim for 'splitting' China.

Also how Vietnam & Taiwan should be India's security partners. How we should give the Viets Brahmos missiles etc. to blow the Chinese Navy out of the waters. Maybe even give the Viets some nukes outright, or help them develop their 'civilian' nuke program.

Deshabhakta said...

some of the points are very strategic in nature and should be given due importance. the author understands that this nation's only binding force is the Hindu Dharma. And thats where any attack should happen to bifurcate the country. How was it done the lat time? The same manner. Our nation was split based on religion. First its people were converted, these converted ones are the ones who asked for a separate country. And they got it too. The article is a clear warning signal to the countrymen not to show any laxity in maintaining the religious identity of the Nation.

san said...

It's good that some Chinese are now cockily and openly admitting what we've always known all along.

Unknown said...

Its a silly game :), Chines are afraid of India doing this on them, especially on Tibet and Uighur regions, which is always a India’s strength to make them worry, but India never used it. With this article they are ahead of the us in a silly game.

I think Chines communists are feeling the strength and influence of Indian Democracy in and our their country (Tibet, Uighur Myanmar Hongkong and Burma.. etc):)

Unknown said...

Balkanization has been a big threat right? but such open hostility is shocking. They will never come to any good.

AGworld said...

India has a strength? Maybe

Does it have what it takes to USE it? Definitely not!

Matthew Tan Yew Hock said...

The iiss web site replies to D.S.Rajan of Chennai.

http://news.iiss.cn/content/2009-8-13/1318350.shtml?sid=13899
Statement on the Hype of Indian Media
2009-8-13 17:46:5

  Clarification: We have no relationships with China International Institute for Strategic Studies, nor we represent Beijing Government. The article lost the fundamental principle of “news truthfulness”, as it misled readers without confirmation of the news.

...

  Clarification: Many articles published on the website come from Internet.
...

 Clarification: We are not inspired or approved by the authorities. It is absolutely the spontaneous behavior of netizens. The fact that Indian scholar DSRajan made such judgment without confirmation greatly puzzled us. DSRajan's judgment is indeed very puzzling.

(please read original and entire article)

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My comments: even in many "official" websites, Chinese netizens have great degree of freedom in writing what they want to write, as long as it does not seek to overthrow the communist party and system.

All kinds of nonsense articles appear in Chinese "official" websites - for the information of those who do not read Chinese.

By the way, at least one "official" website related to the defence ministry of India is discussing how to attack and occupy Tibet. And many Chinese are aware of the discussions.

I am from Singapore where ethnic Indians and Chinese live in peace with one another - not a PRC Chinese national. And I hope China and India will live in peace for eternity. Don't allow the Tibetan-Indians and separatist Tibetan-Chinese to disturb this peace.

After the Dalai Lama passes away, make sure the Tibetan Indians who chose to remain in India become loyal Indian citizens, and be integrated to India's culture and society. They are one of a kind - Tibetan Buddhists who refuse to integrate themselves into India ALSO.

Unknown said...

Chinese suckers glad you showed some of your intentions ,hope it will foster the fierceness and drive in India to become the NR.1 Nation in the World !

Matthew Tan Yew Hock said...

In Singapore, all along I have had very good working relationships with Indian nationals and people of Indian heritage. My housing flat is rented out to an Indian couple working in Singapore right now. So, as an ethnic Chinese, I hope for eternal peace between Indian and China.

But some Indians and Chinese are visioning Sino-India war in the future.

I don't know what "intentions" you see in my messsage. But I still have to tell you the obvious things: the Tibetans in India have to make a choice: be loyal Indian citizens or go back to China-Tibet and become loyal Chinese citizens, or migrate elsewhere and become loyal citizens of elsewhere. What other alternative is there? Be "Tibetan citizens" forever on Indian soil?

The obvious thing the Chinese see is that Tibetans are using Indian soil (and the support of Indian sympathizers) to carry out their separatist activity.

When the Dalai Lama passes from the political scene, you have this problem on your soil that you Indians yourself will want to resolve without the Chinese having to protest. You are not going to allow them to be "Tibetan citizens" on Indian soil forever!

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I should have included the following the quotes from iiss.cn to show you that the Chinese at iiss.cn do not want to invite trouble with India.

http://news.iiss.cn/content/2009-8-13/1318350.shtml?sid=13899

"Meanwhile, we are deeply worried about the possible negative effect of the article on the relationship between China and India.

  We hereby make the following clarification ...

We cherish the relationship between China and India and the friendship with Indian people, though there are conflicts between the two countries and different views and voices among people of the two countries. We wish these false views will not hinder or affect the relations between China and India.

...We believe that China and India will clear away the miasma over their relationship with increasing understanding between China and India. We also wish the people of both parties friends generation after generation!"

Matthew Tan Yew Hock said...

Allow me to add one more point. It is foolish for China to see India disintegrated. So China will not and should not go for such a strategy. A India that is disintegrated will only foment independent movements in China! This was what happened after the Soviet Union disintegrated. The Uighurs wanted to follow the footsteps of other Central Asian nations... So, rest assured it is not in China's interest to see India disintegrated. Just resolve the borders dispute peacefully, and restrain the Tibetans. And both countries will be great nations.

nizhal yoddha said...

ok, mathew tan, enough with the patronization. you singaporean chinese think you're the cat's whiskers, but basically you are chinese racists -- as your demi-god lee kwan yew has often demonstrated. you guys have done a great job turning a swampy little island into a great trading center, and kudos for that. but that does not qualify you to pontificate about the foreign policies of a great power. if you want to pontificate, go tell the chinese that they have to get out of 2/3 of the imperial territory they control, which is uighur, tibetan and mongol. if they accept your sage advice, then you can come back and pontificate at indians.

(i lived in singapore for a short while and have been there innumerable times, so i know what i am talking about. you are much less racist than, say hong kongers, but i know how you guys are full of skin-color prejudice, and i know how the tamils living there are not so thrilled about it).

you have no knowledge of india and it is not the tibetans who are a threat to china. it is their own imperialism, which will collapse. historically, it always has. china alternates between empire, chaotic destruction of empire, and invasion by gwailo (foreign devils/barbarians).

Matthew Tan Yew Hock said...

Reply to nizhal yoddha

demi-god lee kwan yew?

The founding father of Singapore is demi-god Lee, but he did it with another Indian Rajaratnam, who later became the Deputy Prime Minister of Singapore. Another Indian who became Deputy Prime Minister is Prof. Jayakumar. Today the President of Singapore is an Indian. The first Chief Mininster of Singapore (before 1956) is a Jew. So much about Chinese racism in Singapore.

Yes, there are racists in Singapore--just as there are everywhere. And there are Indian racists in Singapore also.

And you come across to me as an Indian racist.

nizhal yoddha said...

chinese culture is basically racist. there was always this idea of the Chosen People, the Middle Kingdom, and everybody else is a barbarian. a non-racist chinese would be a rarity, and alas, you aren't one, tan. you sort of are acting like you have the old 'white man's burden' of civilizing the natives. let me disabuse you of that notion: you don't have to carry any 'yellow man's burden'. your fellow racists from china are happily carrying the yellow man's burden in africa, colonizing it and sending 1 million hans to live there. recent incidents of violence against the hans have shown that the natives are, how shall we put it?, restless? they hate the hans, to put it subtly. and shall i remind you of the serious riots in indonesia in the 1950s against hans? i suspect this was partly because of clannish, racist behavior by the hans.

yes, i am familiar with the various token indians who were given some meaningless posts, while all the power rested with the big god lee kwan yew and his son, the baby god (whose name i forget now). (hmmmm... much like papa doc and baby doc in haiti.) the singaporeans are living under a chinese monarchy -- and lee is famous for screwing over any opposition. ask b. jeyaratnam (opposition politician who was jailed many times) if he faces any racism as a sri lankan. and ask devan nair, former president, who was humiliated and kicked out.

so maybe i am an indian racist, so what? an indian racist is an exception. a chinese racist is the norm.

Gokhul said...

Why should weestart a micro confront on who is superior and who wants to disintegrate whom. What is pride for one appears racism for the other. The boundaries of nations change frequently. Neither India nor China was ever a unified nation as they are today. Both of us have our own problems that needs to be dealt internally. Any major conflict will just negatively affect both the nations economically with loss of lives. Let us focus on binding mutual relationship that will be beneficial to India and China. Both the nations are emerging as global powers still leaving millions of people in hunger and poverty, and economic inequality. Put aside the difference and work on what could be done to improve and strengthen our respective nations.

Matthew Tan Yew Hock said...

Gokhul said...

Thanks, you are a very nice person. I agree with you that it is not in the interest of China and India to fight each other. Also, I don't think the governmental relations between India and China is that bad. And I am pretty optimistic about the future of both countries.

Matthew Tan Yew Hock said...

nizhal yoddha ...

"ask b. jeyaratnam"

He was elected to the Parliament by Chinese-majority constituency, and many of his followers up to this day are Chinese. Today, his son his teaming up with another Chinese to contest the next election.

And mind you, our Cabinet has proportionally more Indian full ministers than other races.

"ask devan nair, former president, who was humiliated and kicked out."

Good that you mention him, another Indian who had become President of Singapore. Yes, in those days, the President held only a ceremonial position, but he was still ranked No. 1. in terms of honour. Today, the President has a lot more powers, and these were implemented when Jayakumar was the Deputy Prime Minister and S.R. Nathan was/is the President.

"devan nair...was humiliated and kicked out."

He humiliated himself because he was an alcoholic and misbehaved himself publicly in the official Palace of a foreign country.

You should be informed that we also had a Chinese President who ended up not so honourably.

Historically, Chinese regarded other "races" as "barbarians" not so much because of their race but because Chinese culture was more developed. Many of these "races" did not even have a written language. Chinese historically did not regard Indians as barbarians, for example, because we learned from you Buddhism.

I came to this site by accident, and I will probably not be coming back. Today I come back to copy some passages I have posted.

Peace to all. Eternal peace to India and China.