While i am happy for the scientist - I am also sad that nearly 50 years after Naipaul said that Indian scientists only win Nobels when they work outside is still painfully true. thanks to the likes of nehruvian stalinists with their statism in science. thanks also to the dravidian chauvinists - driving out India's best to foreign shores under the slogan of some unattainable "equality". just another excuse for anti-brahminism
not that the Nobel is the be all and end all - I think Bose never got one even though he was probably the best physicist of his time.
NRI? Not really. PIO (person of Indian origin) perhaps.
To Ghost Writer: If Professor Ramakrishnan had stayed in India, voluntarily or because of compelling circumstances, he would have ended up taking orders from a gang of "official" scientists (including some "retired" doddering septuagenarians and octogenarians who have been given "commissions" and other sinecures and positions of power), who have never done any worthwhile science during their entire life, and who are deficient in *basic* knowledge: but have risen to top career positions through fraud and political patronage. You mention Bose: it tempts me to relate an anecdote. On the walls of the “auditorium” of the research-and-teaching institution where I was working some 30 years ago, there were photographs of Bhabha, Einstein, and Bose. Several of my colleagues – holding positions equivalent to that of associate professor, professor, or higher – did not even know who this Bose was.
i feel uncomfortable with your id "-", can you change it to something like a name, before we have others posting with " " and ">" and so on as their ids?
astonishing that the tamil brahmins have dominated india's nobel prizes to such an extent: c v raman, subrahmanyam chandrasekar and now venky. they are truly india's jews by analogy. and just like the jews they are being hounded by fascists (the vile dmk).
also, the rest of india's nobel winners are a curious bunch. true indians are only tagore and raman. khorana and chandrasekar and venky are americans.
the ghoul of calcutta doesn't count, nor does amartya rothschild (anyway economics is not a real nobel, it is given by a bank). alas, the dalai lama is not a true indian either.
am i missing anyone?
of course manmohini will win it soon, for bringing 'piss' to india by allowing pak and china to take over.
Dr P Radhakrishnan of the Madras Institute of Development Studies is a well known social scientist who has done extensive work on caste and society, particularly in the context of Tamil Nadu. He has also conducted extensive research on caste and reservation politics.
In an interview to rediff.com's Shobha Warrier in Chennai, he discusses if there is a link between exemplary scientific research and being Tamil Brahmin against the background that three Indian scientists (Sir C V Raman, Dr Subramaniam Chandrasekhar and Dr Venkataraman Ramakrishnan) to win the Nobel Prize for the sciences have been Tamil Brahmins.
Three of the Indian Nobel Prize winners in science hail from Tamil Nadu and all of them are Brahmins. Do you see any connection between scientific research and Tamil Brahmins?
The term 'Tamil Brahmin' sounds a bit parochial and casteist. On the basis of three prizes, which are too small in number, it is difficult to judge its linkage with a community. What is seen as a co-relation may be sheer coincidence.
We also see a co-relation between the Nobel Prize and Jews as most of the Nobel Prize winners are from a Jewish background. Nevertheless, we cannot overlook the crucial importance of cultural capital in intellectual achievements; and virtually all the Nobel Prize winners possessed cultural capital.
In one sense, you can use the genes theory -- genetically some groups are advanced. But that may not happen in a hierarchical society, and ours has always been a hierarchical society.
If Nobel Prize winner Amartya Sen has been a great scholar, it is partly because of his background. For generations, his family has been aristocratic. He hails from a distinguished landed family. His maternal grandfather was a renowned scholar and a close associate of Rabindranath Tagore in Shantiniketan.
Sen had all the comforts and conveniences in life to nurture his brain and engage in the pursuit of knowledge.
The same was the case with Tagore too; he was an aristocrat. That is why I said cultural capital is crucial for intellectual pursuits and attainments.
Only a few persons like E M S Namboodiripad in Kerala used education for serving society. As you may know EMS turned a revolutionary and brought in the first democratically elected Communist government in Kerala, the first thing to happen anywhere in the world.
In the rest of south India, serving society has never been part of the Brahminical mindset.
You cannot condemn a hard working person because of his background; all the same, it is important to note that his achievements in life are certainly linked to his cultural capital. Only the privileged class has cultural capital.
this radhakrishnan is obviously a DMK moron. madras institute of development studies must be the chennai branch of JNU?
"if amartya has been a great scholar", says he. yes, indeed, what if amarya rothschild were a scholar, and not a fellow who just married into the nobel by bagging emma rothschild, it would have been wonderful.
/** As you may know EMS turned a revolutionary and brought in the first democratically elected Communist government in Kerala, the first thing to happen anywhere in the world. **/
Shows who ஐயன் காளி is.. its typical of communists and supporters to project even the most evil with sweet words.. Establishing communist villages, a democratic way.. and winning through "one vote, one man and one time" policy is democratically elected government..
/** In the rest of south India, serving society has never been part of the Brahminical mindset. **/
This is a totally baseless irrelevant argument.. i would say its a lie too.. The brahmin life style in southindia is devised in such a way that they have to serve the society.. Just read about the brahmin life style of pre-british india..
Btw, which other community in india served the society?
/** No community, including Brahmin community server the society.
It is the great men from all communities served this society. **/
Actually, every community served every other community, as per the indian social setup..
I recently discussed with a brahmin archagar on why they are charging for homams and archanas.. They told that on those days, every farmer will support them with fresh vegetable, rice, milk etc, and hence they dont have survival problem.. but today, that was not available..
So it was a noble system, where farmers served brahmins and brahmins served the entire society.. only when britishers lured brahmins in to governmental post, the situation might have got changed..
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While i am happy for the scientist - I am also sad that nearly 50 years after Naipaul said that Indian scientists only win Nobels when they work outside is still painfully true. thanks to the likes of nehruvian stalinists with their statism in science. thanks also to the dravidian chauvinists - driving out India's best to foreign shores under the slogan of some unattainable "equality". just another excuse for anti-brahminism
not that the Nobel is the be all and end all - I think Bose never got one even though he was probably the best physicist of his time.
CV Raman earned his Physics Nobel working at Calcutta University in British India.
He was the first Indian scholar who studied wholly in India to receive the Nobel Prize.
Is there any reason, why Indians are awarded nobel prize along with other western counterparts, and NOT individually?
NRI? Not really. PIO (person of Indian origin) perhaps.
To Ghost Writer: If Professor Ramakrishnan had stayed in India, voluntarily or because of compelling circumstances, he would have ended up taking orders from a gang of "official" scientists (including some "retired" doddering septuagenarians and octogenarians who have been given "commissions" and other sinecures and positions of power), who have never done any worthwhile science during their entire life, and who are deficient in *basic* knowledge: but have risen to top career positions through fraud and political patronage.
You mention Bose: it tempts me to relate an anecdote. On the walls of the “auditorium” of the research-and-teaching institution where I was working some 30 years ago, there were photographs of Bhabha, Einstein, and Bose. Several of my colleagues – holding positions equivalent to that of associate professor, professor, or higher – did not even know who this Bose was.
After writing my post, it struck me that NRI actually is "Not Really Indian"!
i feel uncomfortable with your id "-", can you change it to something like a name, before we have others posting with " " and ">" and so on as their ids?
astonishing that the tamil brahmins have dominated india's nobel prizes to such an extent: c v raman, subrahmanyam chandrasekar and now venky. they are truly india's jews by analogy. and just like the jews they are being hounded by fascists (the vile dmk).
also, the rest of india's nobel winners are a curious bunch. true indians are only tagore and raman. khorana and chandrasekar and venky are americans.
the ghoul of calcutta doesn't count, nor does amartya rothschild (anyway economics is not a real nobel, it is given by a bank). alas, the dalai lama is not a true indian either.
am i missing anyone?
of course manmohini will win it soon, for bringing 'piss' to india by allowing pak and china to take over.
Well. An Indian got a nobel prize. But, see how Indians respond
'Brahmins dominate all modern professions'
http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/oct/12/slide-show-1-brahmins-dominate-all-modern-professions.htm
Dr P Radhakrishnan of the Madras Institute of Development Studies is a well known social scientist who has done extensive work on caste and society, particularly in the context of Tamil Nadu. He has also conducted extensive research on caste and reservation politics.
In an interview to rediff.com's Shobha Warrier in Chennai, he discusses if there is a link between exemplary scientific research and being Tamil Brahmin against the background that three Indian scientists (Sir C V Raman, Dr Subramaniam Chandrasekhar and Dr Venkataraman Ramakrishnan) to win the Nobel Prize for the sciences have been Tamil Brahmins.
Three of the Indian Nobel Prize winners in science hail from Tamil Nadu and all of them are Brahmins. Do you see any connection between scientific research and Tamil Brahmins?
The term 'Tamil Brahmin' sounds a bit parochial and casteist. On the basis of three prizes, which are too small in number, it is difficult to judge its linkage with a community. What is seen as a co-relation may be sheer coincidence.
We also see a co-relation between the Nobel Prize and Jews as most of the Nobel Prize winners are from a Jewish background. Nevertheless, we cannot overlook the crucial importance of cultural capital in intellectual achievements; and virtually all the Nobel Prize winners possessed cultural capital.
In one sense, you can use the genes theory -- genetically some groups are advanced. But that may not happen in a hierarchical society, and ours has always been a hierarchical society.
If Nobel Prize winner Amartya Sen has been a great scholar, it is partly because of his background. For generations, his family has been aristocratic. He hails from a distinguished landed family. His maternal grandfather was a renowned scholar and a close associate of Rabindranath Tagore in Shantiniketan.
Sen had all the comforts and conveniences in life to nurture his brain and engage in the pursuit of knowledge.
The same was the case with Tagore too; he was an aristocrat. That is why I said cultural capital is crucial for intellectual pursuits and attainments.
Only a few persons like E M S Namboodiripad in Kerala used education for serving society. As you may know EMS turned a revolutionary and brought in the first democratically elected Communist government in Kerala, the first thing to happen anywhere in the world.
In the rest of south India, serving society has never been part of the Brahminical mindset.
You cannot condemn a hard working person because of his background; all the same, it is important to note that his achievements in life are certainly linked to his cultural capital. Only the privileged class has cultural capital.
this radhakrishnan is obviously a DMK moron. madras institute of development studies must be the chennai branch of JNU?
"if amartya has been a great scholar", says he. yes, indeed, what if amarya rothschild were a scholar, and not a fellow who just married into the nobel by bagging emma rothschild, it would have been wonderful.
/** As you may know EMS turned a revolutionary and brought in the first democratically elected Communist government in Kerala, the first thing to happen anywhere in the world.
**/
Shows who ஐயன் காளி is.. its typical of communists and supporters to project even the most evil with sweet words.. Establishing communist villages, a democratic way.. and winning through "one vote, one man and one time" policy is democratically elected government..
/**
In the rest of south India, serving society has never been part of the Brahminical mindset.
**/
This is a totally baseless irrelevant argument.. i would say its a lie too.. The brahmin life style in southindia is devised in such a way that they have to serve the society.. Just read about the brahmin life style of pre-british india..
Btw, which other community in india served the society?
My dear Right Angle,
You have started from the wrong angle. :) !!
Please read the first sentence of my first comment in this thread.
The entire posting is an interview that came in Rediff.
I completely against it. But, just want to notify people here to know how the anti-India propaganda machinery is in its full force in the media.
//Btw, which other community in india served the society?//
No community, including Brahmin community server the society.
It is the great men from all communities served this society.
Oh sorry.. i did not notice your first comment..
/** No community, including Brahmin community server the society.
It is the great men from all communities served this society.
**/
Actually, every community served every other community, as per the indian social setup..
I recently discussed with a brahmin archagar on why they are charging for homams and archanas.. They told that on those days, every farmer will support them with fresh vegetable, rice, milk etc, and hence they dont have survival problem.. but today, that was not available..
So it was a noble system, where farmers served brahmins and brahmins served the entire society.. only when britishers lured brahmins in to governmental post, the situation might have got changed..
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