"Prachanda" and "Baburam Bhattarai".
The CHRISTINTERN (Christian Comintern) has several Indian collaborators too, who are natural traitors or can otherwise be bought with awards, such as the "Nelson Mandela Award Minority Empowerment Award" (Oscar Fernandes) , the "Wade Chair Scholar for the Academic Year 2009-10" (Cedric Prakash) or a eulogy by India's Maoist Vice President on the occasion of one's birthday ("Swami Agnivesh").
Note the demonisation of Brahmins in particular. The hate speech directed at the Brahmins is the same language used by Hitler's National Socialists to demonise the Jews before commencing the Final Solution to eliminate them.
It is highly regrettable that the United Nations is allowing itself to be used as a handmaiden of evangelical conquistadors and it is even more unfortunate that the Government of India is not fighting this conspiracy with all the force at its command. Shashi Tharoor's eloquent prose is of no practical utility if it is not deployed at international fora to tell the evangelicals to "Stay out of India".
Article from The Telegraph, UK
UN says caste system is a human rights abuse
By Dean Nelson in New Delhi
Published: 5:00AM BST 29 Sep 2009
The UN's Human Rights Council, meeting in Geneva, is expected to ratify draft principles which recognises the scale of persecution suffered by 65 million 'untouchables' or 'Dalits' who carry out the most menial and degrading workdeleted
Many of them work as lavatory and sewer cleaners and in remote villages as "night-soil carriers".
hey are considered unclean by many higher-caste 'Brahmins' who regard their presence, and sometimes even their shadow as 'polluting'.
Many Dalits have been badly beaten or killed for 'polluting' Brahmin wells by drinking from them.......
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In the book "Imagining India" by Nandan Nilekani (CEO of Infosys), caste system was extensively described in a very negative way. So is Nandan also a Christist?
Why don't we Hindus acknowledge that caste system is very repressive and it has to be eradicated.
ps: That book has lot of growing tributes to Ramachandra Guha. So Rajiv may not like the book :-)
ITs time, we bring christianity itself to justice.. The horrific history of the christianity is enough to declare it as the most human rights abusing system till today..
We have to also declare conversion as a human rights issue..
Is NanDan NilekanI a christist? I don't know. It is certainly possible, but he is definitely straying from his core comptencies. We most certainly fo not need the UN and christist evangelicals to muddy the waters and interfere in our affairs. Oppression of the lower castes does take place somtetimes. It is perpetrated NOT by impoverished Bramhins, rather by politically powerful middle castes such as those affiliated with the Dravidian neanderthal parties in Tamil Nadu. Why does the UN not talk about the genocide of Native Americans or the genocide of Australian aborigines or the oppression of Hindus in Pakistan, Bangladesh or Malaysia? Or the oppression of Shias and Ahmaddiyas in Islamic countries? Stop drinking the Dravidian Kool Aid, Tambidude
To bring Christianity to justice, it is not enough to highlight the litany of crimes, the systematic genocides of native peoples, the forced deculturations on continental scale, and its complicity with western imperialism. These are always dismissed as unfortunate occurrences, incorrect "applications" of the perfected Christian principles.
To defang the christian framework, you have to actually tear off the mask of the "all-loving" prophet Jesus himself and show the obligatory imperial face behind the mask: Titus Flavius. Christianity is roman imperial war propaganda against jews and it is designed specifically for jew-baiting (and by extension native heathen baiting). You have to show the imperialism as the "essence" of Christianity (which is precisely what the Missionaries and Donigers have been trying to do with their caricature of "Hinduism").
See this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCNJf83bqjs
The author is Joseph Atwill. the book is Caesar's Messiah.
internalize some of the arguments and take down christianity.
Oh these Jesuits are all one and the same, they control UN,WB,IMF and all other organizations.
Third world countries ( barring Muslim nations) are all at their mercy.
These Third world countries in Asia, Africa all ravaged by war, internal strife and you will find one thing in common everywhere...THE PRESENCE OF MISSIONARIES.
Mr. Tambidude.. Is Nilekeni a god, so that we have to believe what he writes..
In what way he is eligible to write about caste system?
Nilekeni also wrote that india had very little charity compared to US, which is a bullshit lie.. do you agree with that also?
He wrote a book as a base for his political career and that need not be always correct. He may not be a christist.. he may not be a pseudo secular.. Yet, he has misunderstood indian society, just as many educated indians do..
/** Why don't we Hindus acknowledge that caste system is very repressive and it has to be eradicated.
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Why dont you first substantiate if caste system is repressive? Have you ever directly visited any village, or leanred much about our history.
If caste system is repressive, what about the so called 5 year dictor rule in india, which is often called as democracy? Is democracy not repressive?
Ok.. leave it.. what about the catholic institution? Going by its track records of 2000 years, can be eradicate catholic institutions all over india?
Why dont we indians start discussing our problems without labelling or branding? Why dont we understand from our own perspective?
It is not a new story. anyone can freely abuse Hinduism in the name of caste system. Night soil carriers are their favourite poster boys.
The moment a person sees a night soil carrier, emotions well up inside him, and he starts heaping abuses on brahmins.
There must be hundred of castes bewteen the night soil carriers and brahmins, no one is doing anything for them. So many people from SC have become rich,powerful and famous. Even they dont do anything for them. I think even their own castemen do nothing for them. but it is the brahmin's fault. the government by , for and of the lower castes cant use Rajeev night soil removal scheme , or some such,to automate the process or something, but it is still the brahmin's fault. If tomorrow all brahmins were removed from the world, the night soil carrying practice would also vanish, as there will be no brahmins to supervise the process.
I will answer Nanadan Nilekani when he chooses a night soil carrier as a son in law.
We hindus recognize caste system is very 'repressive'. but who will tell madam soniaji's son. Where will he sleep at night?
To all, it is obvious none of you have read the book Imagining India. What Nilekani has written is fact. Villages where Dalits live do not have any school. Very few of Shining India has percolated down to Dalits.
What consolation is this if it is not brahmins but other upper caste are doing it. Does that mean brahmins can wash our hands off saying "not our problem".
You guys can give a tough competitions to muslims in head-in-the-sand competition. While muslims continue to be in denial mode about violence inherent in Islam and insist that few are giving a bad name to the great religion of peace, you guys are in the same mode about oppressive caste system.
Tambi,
Since when did this Nilekani become an expert on sociological issues and his book some kind of "Bible" on caste relations (sic). You sure can compete with people of the book when it comes to dogma. India Shining had not reached 70% of the country and it has nothing to do with caste. People of all castes live in poverty. Hindus, in general have a higher incidence of poverty due to special privileges extended to aggressive "minorities". You need to open your mind and think beyond the stupid ideas of Periyar & Anna drilled down into gullible Tamils as "Dravidianism". I don't know what Nilekani has written and don't care. His book is not the issue. UN being used to demonise Hindus is, get it?
What is more, it is Christian evangelicals and Dravidian Neanderthals who the are worst oppressors and exploiters of our Dalit brothers. Dalits need to be liberated from the clutches of their christist and crypto christist oppressors.
Guys,
As soon as Indians start defending colonial notion of hierarchical castes in India, the foreign agent's goal is accomplished and he just has to watch as one section fights with another section. The colonizer normatizes one section (in the target society) as the agents of ideological change and then watches the fireworks. A lot of Indians have internalized this type of colonial discourse and this is what is causing the problems with the gifted Mayawatis. The prime culprits are those sections of "nationalists" who believe in garbage theory of AIT because it plays to their vanity.
What we need is deconstruction of this notion of hierarchical caste and its colonial-theological origins along lines laid down by Balagangadhara. This should always be the response to accusations such as that of Tambi.
Tambi,
There is no such thing as caste "system" in India since there is no such thing as ideology in India; There has never been a Church or State in India which can enforce such a "system". Majority of Kings in India were from so called OBC, including Paswans and this was never an "issue". You are just repeating the same old colonial story.
Tambi,
The following an analysis of the western colonial projection of an theological/ideological "system" upon Indian cultural diversity.
http://www.doccenter.org/docsweb/Understanding-Caste-System-Dunkin/contents.php
These goras, because of their peculiar brand of "ethics", will always deem cultural diversity as a deviation from their "ideal state" of absolute homogeneity. They will not be satisfied till every damn Indian is known by name of peter or john. Their liberals will go even further and insist that every indian be known only by a bar code (such as they fantasize about in their science fictions).
Villages where Dalits live do not have any school.>>>>
Boss, It was the british who destroyed comprehensive gurukul system in India.........
Mr. Tambidude..
Please dont drag us in to this self-degradation and self-denigration.. I dont know what one would call a person who always criticise himself.. but what you are doing is more worse than that..
Coming to your point, it is the brahmins who were driven out of most of the villages. It is the brahmins who were the victims, because majority of brahmins were landless, and suffered a lot due to anti-brahminism..
NExt, do you think, only dalits are present in vilalges? Nd if villages do not have any school, you should blame only the government. How can you blame brahmins or the caste system?
If a problem is not mine, i have to tell it as it is.. i cannot burden myself, with a problem that's not mine.. do you take ownership of all problems present in this world? Neither.. you will not even care about neighbour's problem.. But you go on and accuse brahmins of all things..
I am not a brahmin... if any one accused my caste unfairly, our caste men will give a befitting reply.. that's why no one is daring to pin point, rajputs or other kshatriya castes.. but its the brahmins who were powerless, who could not weild any force, who could not defend themself..
Its not caste system that is oppressive... it is the mentality and the abusive slogans of people like you that is most oppressive against rational people..
In the head-in-the sand competion, you had already won all the game.. so please take over the award..
If you are going to argue rationally, it would be useful.. otherwise, if you are going to only accuse and label a particular community then you will receive a similar demeaning reply henceforth.. I hope, the blog moderator will not allow my comment.
TambiDude is right -- there are still parts of India where one is placed in the caste hierarchy determines what rights one receives.
However, the point of Rajeev's post is to highlight the agenda of the Christian fundamentalists to exploit caste divisions among Hindus to convert them to a faith in which racism is scripturally sanctioned: Christianity. To not acknowledge this point -- a point that Gandhi saw through -- is to adopt the same head-in-the-sand approach that TambiDude is sanctimoniously accusing others of. Christianity is an intrinsically racist faith; racism is sanctioned by the bible. While there is the legal miasma of non-discrimination against colored people in contemporary Western societies, it is not a coincidence that those who make up the dregs of those societies are non-whites (just as dalits in India).
Hindus don't have to be a perfect people to highlight the dubious methods employed to spread the white man's faith. The caste question is irrelevant to showing up the global phenomenon of Christian fundamentalism being driven largely by white supremacist nutjobs from the American South.
The caste system was used to divide labor. It should not be so relevant in post-industrial times. A brahman could become a trader or merchant, and thus stop being a brahman, for example. The so-called untouchables become untouchables first of all due to them isolating themselves from society. Fa-Hsien reported this account of the 'Chandalas'.
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