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Army Chief Row: Will history repeat itself? – N.S. Rajaram 1962+50 = 2012

apr 3rd, 2012 CE

the parallels are ominous. too many keralites then (krishna menon, kn panikkar) and now (anthony, shivshankar menon).

2012 will be an interesting year. another short, sharp, humiliating war with china, as the hans want to rub it in again that india is not in the same league as china?

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New post on Bharata Bharati Army Chief Row: Will history repeat itself? – N.S. Rajaram "The real issue is the state and morale of the defense forces, not the leaked letter or petty politics. Fifty years ago, demoralization and neglect of the armed forces by Nehru and Krishna Menon led to national humiliation in the 1962 China war." - Dr. Navaratna S. Rajaram History does not repeat itself,” it is famously said, “but fools repeat history.” Philosopher-poet George Santayana put it slightly differently when he wrote— “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” To those old enough to remember the events leading to India’s humiliation in 1962—and both Manmohan Singh and A.K. Antony are old enough—these famous quotes have a familiar ring in our own time, especially in the controversy over the army chief General V.K. Singh’s difficulties with the government. More than fifty years ago, in 1959 to be exact, General Thimmayya, the savior of Kashmir had handed his resignation to Prime Minister Nehru protesting Defense Minister V.K. Krishna Menon's refusal to consider his plans for preparing the Army for the forthcoming Sino-Indian conflict of 1962. Nehru refused to accept it and persuaded him to withdraw his resignation. However, little action was taken on Thimmayya's recommendations and he soon retired. When Thimmayya’s term as army chief ended, Nehru and Menon ignored Thimmayya’s recommendation to make General Thorat the army chief, preferring to appoint Pran Nath Thapar. Where Thorat was known as a ‘fighting general’ in the mould of Patton and Rommel, Thapar was known to be politically well connected, related to Nehru by marriage. (He was the uncle of historian Romila Thapar and TV journalist Karan Thapar’s father.) Thanks to family connections, another political general Brij Mohan Kaul was appointed commander of the Indian forces in the vital northeast sector. Kaul was to earn eternal infamy by running away from the battlefield to get himself admitted to a Delhi hospital when the Chinese attacked in 1962. Nehru and Menon had no interest in national defense. They saw their positions not as guardians of India but a platform for projecting and preaching their utopian ideas to the world. Above all they, especially Nehru wanted to impress Westerners. In 1948, he ignored Thimmayya’s advice and took Kashmir to the United Nations. At the same time he rejected General Cariappa’s advice to develop the infrastructure in the northeast. He listened instead to the advice of a British missionary called Verrier Elwin who said that the northeast should be kept primitive to preserve tribal cultures. Elwin pretended to be interested in tribal welfare, but it was only a pretext to exploit them, especially the young girls. He married and divorced at least two tribal girls much younger than himself. He was a Nehru favorite! It is not widely known that India was offered a permanent seat in the Security Council when the United Nations was formed. Nehru rejected it insisting that Mao’s China should be given the seat before India. Even when China occupied Tibet in 1950, which was then independent with close ties to India, Nehru ignored the danger and spent his time over the Korean War. Menon even defended the Chinese action claiming that it would never attack India! (Personal aside: I heard the following story from the famous astrologer the late B.V. Raman whom I used to know quite well though I don’t follow astrology. In spite of their ‘rationalist’ exterior, both Menon and Nehru used to consult him— Menon directly, but Nehru surreptitiously through his emissary the late Gulzarilal Nanda. Dr. Raman predicted that Menon would soon lose his cabinet position and also China would attack India. Menon dismissed him saying, “You may be right about my losing my position, but China will never attack India because we are both socialist countries.” Is this also not a form of superstition? For the record, China later had border wars with both the Soviet Union and Vietnam.) Coming to the specifics over the controversy involving the army chief V.K. Singh, he has done a great service to the nation by exposing the corruption. What else should he have done? Keep quiet while pocketing the money? Also, the army chief’s leaked letter to the PM has highlighted serious deficiencies in defense preparedness. Should this also be kept hidden from the public just to protect incompetent and dishonest officials and politicians? Going back fifty years, when the Sino-Indian war started, it was found that our soldiers in the Himalayas didn’t even have winter clothing. There were many non-combat deaths due to frostbite and cold but Nehru and Menon had neglected basic needs. Should we not learn from that sad history? Some vested interests have been targeting General V.K. Singh for months. First it was his date of birth which should have been an internal matter, and now this. Why? Because, General Singh is known to be very strict; and totally against corruption and irregularities. This comes in the way of people interested in making money in defense contracts. They want him out of the way as soon as possible. Krishna Menon is widely regarded as a Communist ideologue disinterested in money matters. This ignores the fact that Menon presided over the first scam of Independent India. While serving as Indian High Commissioner in London, he ignored established government procedures to sign a deal worth Rs 80 lakh—then an enormous amount—with a foreign firm for the purchase of army jeeps. While most of the money was paid up front, only about 150 jeeps were delivered even though the contract was for many times more. (Each jeep cost the government more than Rs 53,000, which was at least ten times the market value.) But Prime Minister Nehru forced the government to accept them. In the face of the scandal, Nehru inducted Menon into the cabinet, who soon became the second most powerful minister after Nehru. Because the amounts involved in defense contracts are so large kickbacks and corruption have always been part of defense procurement in all countries. With the coming of Rajiv Gandhi it was taken to a new level. The Bofors paradigm The Bofors scam in which the Gandhi family and Sonia Gandhi’s close friend and business associate Ottavio Quattrocchi enriched themselves beyond their wildest dreams marks a watershed in modern India. The corruption was not without precedent, and the scale was to be surpassed in our time. But what Bofors represents is a shift in the way Indian politicians and bureaucrats began to look at defense needs. It was no longer to protect the nation, but a mammoth procurement bazaar in which huge profits can be made through kickbacks and commissions. So beginning with the Gandhi-Quattrocchi partnership, more attention was given to procurement and spending than analyzing defense needs. With notable exceptions like Dr. Abdul Kalam and the late Raja Ramanna (a nuclear physicists), there was little discussion about defense policy much less strategy or doctrine. Politicians and bureaucrats couldn’t care less about military strategy or defense needs as long as opportunities existed for kickbacks in defense procurements. This factor should be kept in mind as we look at the outrage expressed by politicians over General V.K. Singh’s revelation that he was offered a large bribe to approve substandard army vehicles. It is a sign of this state of affairs that even today India has no military doctrine. Does anyone recall a debate in the parliament over military doctrine or strategy? The media is no different. For all the hoopla over Gen Singh’s revelation and the leaked letter, the media is talking more about the scam than its implications for national security. It is no different with the politicians. During the recent elections, did Rahul Gandhi or anyone else talk about security or threats to the nation? Did anyone in the media raise it? All we saw were family exhibits— Rahul in his beard, Priyanka (without one), her husband until finally her little children. Kautilya on king's duty Excerpts from the letter from the army chief V.K. Singh to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh have appeared in newspapers. The letter raised serious questions about important matters relating to national defense. The PM apparently ignored the army chief’s, and possibly the Defense Minister’s concerns. Knowing the strict protocol followed in the army, one can be certain that Defense Minister Antony was fully aware of Gen Singh’s letter and had approved it. This suggests that the leak was probably deliberate, and came from the defense ministry frustrated at the Prime Minister’s indifference with regard to national security. We are constantly being told that Dr Manmohan Singh is personally honest though he is presiding over the most corrupt government in modern Indian history. What good is personal honesty when public officials under him are allowed to plunder and loot? After all it was this ‘personally honest man’ who allowed the swindler Ottavio Quattrocchi to get away with his loot. Above all, he has neglected national security. There is no greater duty than preserving the nation’s freedom. The PM Manmohan Singh may not worry about it, but more than 2000 years ago, the greater thinker Kautilya reminded his king of his duty. Here are excerpts of a letter written by Kautilya to Emperor Chandragupta. I am grateful to Sri Krishan Kak for bringing it to my attention. The wording may not be exact, but still contains enough wisdom for the Prime Minister and the Defense Minister to read and benefit from. (Their masters in 10 Janpath would benefit too, but they lack the literacy to read it, let alone appreciate its perennial wisdom.) Kautilya discretely but firmly reminded the king that his safety and security as well as of his empire depend on the trust and sacrifice of his soldiers. “The Mauryan soldier does not the Royal treasuries enrich nor the Royal granaries fill. He does not carry out trade and commerce nor produce scholars, littérateurs, artistes, artisans, sculptors, architects, craftsmen, doctors and administrators. He does not build roads and ramparts nor dig wells and reservoirs. He does not do any of this directly. “The soldier only and merely ensures that the tax, tribute and revenue collectors travel forth and return safely; that the farmer tills, harvests, stores and markets his produce unafraid of pillage; that the trader, merchant and financier function and travel across the length and breadth of the realm unmolested; that the savant, sculptor, maestro and mentor create works of art, literature, philosophy and astrology in quietitude; that the architect designs and builds his Vaastus without tension; that the tutor and the priest teach and preach in peace; that the rishis meditate in wordless silence; that the doctor invents cures and medicines undisturbed; that the mason and bricklayer work unhindered; that the mother and the wife go about their chores and bring up children in harmony and tranquility; that the cattle graze freely without being lifted or stolen. “Pataliputra reposes each night in peaceful comfort, O King, secure in the belief that the distant borders of Magadha are inviolate and the interiors are safe and secure, thanks only to the Mauryan Army standing vigil with naked swords and eyes peeled for action, day and night, in weather fair and foul, all eight praharas (round the clock), quite unmindful of personal discomfort and hardship, all through the year, year after year. “While the citizenry of the State contributes to see that the State prospers and flourishes, the soldier guarantees it continues to EXIST as a State! To this man, O Rajadhiraja, you owe a debt: please, therefore, see to it, on your own, that the soldier continuously gets his dues in every form and respect, be they his needs or his wants, for he is not likely to ask for them himself.” Then Kautilya, known also as Chanakya gave his king this blunt warning: “The day the soldier has to demand his dues will be a sad day for Magadha for then, on that day, you will have lost all moral sanction to be King!” See also General vs Govt: Defence Preparedness: Learning from the past – S.G. Vombatkere             | April 3, 2012 at 2:41 pm | Tags: a.k. antony, chanakya, corruption, defence procurement, indian army, indian army chief, indian defence minister, indo-china war 1962, leaked letter, moral courage, procurement system, v.k. singh | Categories: bureaucracy, china, corruption, geopolitics, history, india, indian army, indian parliment, indian politics, nehru-gandhi family, nehruism, patriotism, psychological warfare, war | URL: http://wp.me/pEi6D-8pM Comment    See all comments Unsubscribe or change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. 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rakesh simha: the plot behind 'sabotage kudankulam'

apr 3rd, 2012 CE

i am personally opposed to nuclear power, and i support kudankulam strictly because of who oppose it. that is, if these worthies oppose it, ipso facto it must be good for india: they have a great track record.

http://indrus.in/articles/2012/03/05/the_plot_behind_sabotage_kudankulam_15040.html

The plot behind ‘Sabotage Kudankulam’

March 5, 2012
Rakesh Krishnan Simha

Fundamentalist Christian churches and remote-controlled NGOs are the new WMDs – workers of mass disruption who are working in sync with their Western backers to weaken India economically and socially. Their first big hit: the Kudankulam nuclear plant.

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UK Warns on Retro Tax Changes

The UK recently changed rules to end a scheme used by Barclays that resulted in a tax liability of £500 million, Mukherjee is understood to have reminded Osborne.

BS: UK did the same on retro tax changes, FM tells Osborne

anti-hindu hate is real and widespread: canada national post

apr 2nd, 2012 CE

there is no consequence to killing/raping/abducting hindus. so all the semitic types do it.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/02/jonathan-kay-from-brampton-to-bangladesh-anti-hindu-hate-is-all-too-real/

dr vijaya: Social Engineering, Social Reform and Protecting the Vedic Heritage

apr 2nd, 2011 CE

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From: Vijay Rajiva
Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:36 AM
Subject: Fw: Social Engineering, Social Reform and Protecting the Vedic Heritage
To:

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.in/2012/03/social-engineering-social-reform-and_28.html

On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Vijay Rajivawrote:

' Social Engineering, Social Reform and Protecting the Vedic Heritage'

Dr. Vijaya Rajiva

The recent move of the Congress led government of Kerala to hire 50 trained non Brahmanic temple priests has to be viewed with some caution. On the face of it the move can be lauded as social reform. But it can also be part of a social engineering process that aims to attack Hindu  religious traditions in toto, moving in planned fashion from one target to the next. The Hindu Samaj must treat each of these moves on a case by case basis. Of the 50 candidates some candidates no doubt will be sincere and in earnest and some will be there for economic reasons (also acceptable since they are valid reasons) and at least a few will be stooges of the government and the Devaswom Board, which is largely staffed by anti Hindu individuals (often with misleading Hindu names!). In 2007 the Minister for Devaswom affairs was a member of the Communist Party (CPM).  These newly hired priests will function under the directions of this self same government, now a Congress led one, but essentially also anti Hindu.A principled stand alone taken in favour of non Brahmanic priests can be counter productive and the Hindu Samaj should be alert to the politics of social engineering.

The Devaswom as a body that managed temple affairs  came into existence as early as the 17th century in Kerala. There was a proliferation of them and it was only in the early 19th century under the Maharani Regent Gowri Parvati Bayi (1815-1829)  that a royal decree was passed forming a Devaswom Board and most of the temples were brought under its control. This marked a shift from private groupings/families exercising control over the temples to that of state power vested in the royal family.

However, the last ruler His Highness Shri Chitira Thirunal Bala Rama Varma (1931-1949)was concerned that the Dewaswom Board should remain a Hindu organisation that would serve Hindu interests in the matter of temple administration and welfare. Therefore, in 1949 when he signed the instrument of Accession to the Indian Union he signed in a Covenant that would protect the Board from unneccessary interference from both state and central governments in independent India. The Board by this Covenant would remain with 3 members who were clearly Hindu and their term would be for 4 years. This was incorporated into The Travancore Cochin Hindu Religious Institutions Act of 1950 by which the state government would manage temple affairs via the Devaswom Board. Hence, both by law and convention the Board members would be sworn in as Hindus. Needless to say, the successive governments did not follow this rule except as a formality since Communist members could not actually be Hindus simultaneously given their ideology. And in the case of Congress governments the Hindu names often concealed allegiance to the 'secularism' of the Congress party, especially after the rise to power of the Italian Catholic,  Sonia Gandhi at the centre in 1998.

In 2007 emboldened by political events on the national scene, the secular LDF Kerala Government received permission from the Central government to change the composition of the Devaswom Board. The  number 3 was changed to 5 incorporating a member from the scheduled caste/scheduled tribe (so called ) and a woman, ostensibly to promote social reform.

There was a dual purpose here. Under the rubric of social change and in order to secure a vote bank from the Non Brahmanic groups the Kerala government tried to extend its already existing control over Hindu institutions.This  control  had previously been given to them by the misguided fathers of the Indian Constitution which was clearly discriminatory towards the Hindus, since the other religious groups (Muslims and Christians) were left untouched.   The Kerala government's policy was to further extend control over the Hindu temples and one of the ploys was to throw the temples open to non Hindus and later the training of non Brahmans to become temple priests. In 2007 social groups like the NSS (Nair Service Society, not particularly known for any Hindutva leanings) objected. In regard to the first move it was defeated and in regards to the second move the so called reform went forward, even though in 2010 the NSS and other organisations (mainly Hindu) objected.

Here again the anti Hindu government throws as much as it can against the Hindus with the hope that some of it will stick, even if some do not. Throwing open Hindu temples to non Hindus IS CLEARLY NOT THE SAME as opening the temples to all Hindus. The Temple Entry Proclamation by the Maharajah Chittira Thirunal in 1936 was the right way to go for Hindus. But here the situation is different. Churches and mosques are primarily places for the faithful to congregate and offer prayer, whereas the Hindu temple is where the consecrated deity resides, the consecration accompanied by deep Vedic ritual. It follows that non Hindus who do not accept this tradition cannot be given free entry to what is considered a hallowed place. The Hindu temple is not a park or tourist site or museum where the general public can freely wander about. It is a place of worship where the consecrated deity is housed. Those who ardently desire to enter can easily return to the Hindu fold by undergoing a shuddhi ceremony. The recent ones conducted by Agniveer are good examples of tasteful, short and meaningful ceremonies. Thereafter the individual accepts the sanctity of the Vedas and the presence of the consecrated deity housed in the temple.

The present writer has raised an alarm in two previous articles and pointed out that the aim of the motley crew of deracinated Hindus, Macaulayites, Congresswallahs and the axis of Communists- Islamists - Churchists has always been to defeat Hinduism by various ploys.1&2

This has been the ancient dream of the Christian West and is being touted  by deracinated Hindus. It is understandable that someone like Arundhati Roy (a non Hindu) can hide behind the rubric of her questionable Leftism ( it is reported that she built a large luxury bungalow on notified tribal land !) to fulminate against the Brahmanic Hindu State. Like Monier Williams the identification of Hinduism with Brahmanism is a non starter. Neverthless, the Hindu Samaj should be extremely vigilant. The phrase ' the mighty fortress of Brahmanism' was first put forward by Monier Williams (author of Sanskrit English Dictionary, 1899). His exact quote is :

" When the walls of the mighty fortress of Brahmanism are encircled, undermined and finally stormed by the soldiers of the cross, the victory of Christianity must be signal and complete " (Modern India and Indians, p.247).

In his ignorance this colonialist had set up a straw man called Brahmanism. His Macaulayist followers and other elements have followed suit. It is Hinduism with its Vedic heritage that is their real target, the word 'Brahmanism' being only a catchy logo. This Vedic heritage is an ongoing project which all members of the Hindu Samaj have upheld, from the aam admi to the acharyas, gurus, temples,  mathams etc. The Vedas set up a dedicated priesthood that would carry out the rituals of prayer and devotion to the terrestrial, atmospheric, and cosmic forces envisaged as gods and goddesses. It is the Hindu belief that these powers are present in the land, from north to south and east to west. Temples big, medium and small also housed these powers.

The priests were responsible for carrying out the ritual worship of these powers. The Vedic rituals were carried out in the open, under the sky. With the building of temples in the post Vedic age the temple priests continued the Vedic worship in various parts of the subcontinent, preserving the INTEGRITY of the rituals. Hence, the Kerala temple priests are in this THANTRIC tradition. They are expected to follow certain well laid down rules and procedures for the rituals. They are initiated and trained by an authentic and qualified Acharya who has deep knowledge of the scriptures and familiarity with thantric worship which consists both of mantras and mudras.

The Hindu belief is that the deity in the temple (already consecrated by deep ritual) is invoked during the ritual ceremonies.
It follows therefore, that the temple priest is expected to be a devout Hindu, with knowledge of scripture and tradition. With a non Hindu government it is doubtful whether the choice of candidates for the temple priesthood has been conducted rigorously and with transparency. If not, then the ignoble motive is clearly to make a dent in the hitherto undefeated traditions of Hindu worship. Preserving the Vedic heritage means upholding Hindu polytheism and murti worship, as opposed to the dogmas of the monotheistic faith, with their ONE god and the attendant persecution of non believers, and their history of violence and conquest.

1.' The Mighty Fortress of Brahmanism' (in www.haindavakeralam; http://bharatkalyan97blogspot.in; Sookta-sumana blogspot.com;
     Vijayvaani.com)
2. ' Temple Priests and Preserving the Vedic Heritage' (http://bharatkalyan97blogspot.in)

(The writer is a Political Philosopher who taught at a Canadian university. Her academic training is in Literature, Philosophy, Political Science, Political Economy & History).

arvind: Christians planned 1984 Sikh massacre

apr 2nd, 2012 CE

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From: Arvind Kumar
Date: Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 6:28 AM
Subject: Christians planned 1984 Sikh massacre
To: catholicunion@gmail.com, johndayal@bol.net.in

Mr. Dayal,

Christians were responsible for the 1984 Sikh massacre.

- Jagdish Tytler: Christian

- PC Alexander: Christian

- Rajiv Gandhi: married to Christian and suspected Christian

- Sonia Gandhi: Christian

Most disturbing part: Christian Sonia Gandhi has not been held culpable for rewarding the Christians PC Alexander and Jagdish Tytler with a governorship and cabinet posts respectively.

Read Khushwant Singh's piece on how the Hindu Atal Behari Vajpayee was personally involved in saving Sikhs from being slaughtered.

-a

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Radha Rajan <radharajan7@gmail.com> wrote:

Dr John Dayal
@JohnDayal Akali politics over death sentence to Beant Killer would be
dead if a few Hindus had been hanged for burning alive 5,000 Sikhs in
"84.

 

 

John Dayal is the ubiquitous obnoxious face in the idiot box when 24 hour English news channels want an anti-Hindu diatribe on their show. A friend sent me this queer tweet from this queer padri stating that he thinks Hindus should have been hanged for the anti-Sikh riots of 1984.

 

Now I know this queer padri is only queer but not insane. I also know that he is a Christian padri and so the anti-Hindu venom and twisted history from a twisted Chrsitan mind is also normal - normal for Chrstians of all hues, denominations and small change.

 

Let me de-construct the queer padri step by step.

 

Johnny, your Jesus cult has begun to usurp Hindu religious, cultural symbols and practices to spread like Aids in this Hindu nation. You think Hindus should be hanged but let us see the Hindu symbols you have pirated -

 

You call the Jesus cult One Book classes (we call them bible classes) Veda Agama Patashala. Vedas and Agamas are religious doctrines of the Hindus you want hanged.

 

You call the Aids-like spreading Christian evangelisers 'sadhu'. There are several such queer padris in TN. Sadhus are Hindu religious persons - Hindus who you tweeted should be hanged.

 

You have usuurped from the same Hindus who you want hanged, the robes of  Hindu sanyasis. Queer Christian padris want to wear the same saffron robes as the Hindu acharyas and Gurus.

 

Christian places of congregation now are erecting the Hindu dwajasthamba seen at Hindu temples - the religious symbol of Hindus who you think should be hanged but from whom you steal, pirate, usurp, illegally grabbed, cultural and religious symbols.

 

Yiour fellow jesus cultists have shamelessly usurped from Hindus who you want hanged the Kavadi too. Queer Christians walk to churches bearing the Kavadi (Unless they are trying to metamorphose the cross into the Kavadi). You are all so queer I wouldnt be surprised by anything you all think and do.

 

Dearie now your cultists want to dance Bharatanatyam (from Bharata Muni dearie) with the cross on the dais instead of Nataraja. To the best of my knowledge Jesus didnt dance Bharatanatyam, neither did his mother nor your popes and sundry "saints".

 

John Dayal you want my Vedas, my agamas, my kavadi, my dwajasthamba, my bharatnatyam, my Vishnu Sahasranamam, My carnatic music, my acharyas and Gurus and then you want to hang me. And you have the bloody audacity to declare this publicly because Indian polity has given you the space to spaeak in the fashin.

 

If Hindus were to do to you what you and your religion have done to others you would be -

 

Given a small-pox infected blanket to sleep with

You would be given alcohol and drugs to ruin yourself.

You would be actively encouraged to be a homosexual, as a fad, not as something that is sadly natural for some, but as  a fad.

You would be burnt at the stakes.

You would be hunted down as you hunted other world leaders, have your teeth chected for plaque, your hair inspected for lice and then hanged in full public view by a kangaroo court.

Your children would be separated from you at birth to be raised as good Hindus.

 

John Dayal you are the best example of your co-cultists in India when you use the word Hindu only when you want to abuse us or hang us.

 

John Dayal, this mail is being sent out to every Hindu I know and be prepared now to have your inbox flooded with mail. I have served you notice John. Your cultists are in overwhelming numbers in the Congress party. Hindus didnt kill Sikhs John. Your Party, the INC did. Now Johnny let us see if you have the courage to ask for Christian leaders in the Congress to be hanged. 

 

Johnny, before I forget - how many Chrsitinas do you think should be hanged for the Goa Inquisition?

How many Christians should be hanged for religious converting at the point of the gun entire tribes and Hindus in India's North-East?

How many Chrstians should be hanged for the genocide of Native Americans?

How many Chrsitians should be hanged for destroying the African people, for giving them Aids, for annihilating african culture and dismembering their society?

How many christians should be hanged for the genocide of Moros in the Philippines?

How many christians should be hanged for taking away, stealing children from their parents in Australia, New Zealand, Africa, and even Spain?

How many Chrsitians should be hanged for sexullay molesting, raping children in churches, in childrens homes and in orphanages?

Howe many christians should be hanged for making paedophile a universal tenet of the church?

 

John Dayal, you stirred a hornets' nest. Be prepared to be stung.

 

John Dayal, dont be tempted to speak to me about untouchability in self-defence. I will be compelled to give you chapter and verse on the churches, christian hospitals, educational institutions, your queer padris and what they have done (and refuse to do) for the untouchables in your fold.  RR