February 11th
thanks to reader rajesh.
i am not sure i have well-thought-through answers to these. what do you guys reading this blog think?
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How do you see Vellappalli's United Hindu front? Could you write what
you think about Nadeshan's proposal?
Many things to ponder over here:
1) Karunakaran's comment that these guys cannot do what Pattom and
Shankar couldnt do. Do you think that the scene is different today in
Kerala?
2) Do you think that'll benefit the umpteen number of groups among Hindus?
3) Would that make a difference for Hindus?
4) Which community would call shots in the front? Will that be
sustainable if say Ezhava decides?
5) Or can they go on a roubd robin way of sharing the power?
6) Will that reduce the dominance of, say, IUML and Kerala Cong, esp Mani?
7) Or do you think it is better for them to stay as a separate group
getting their share?
8) If that is the case, would they support Cong to get power?
Assumption, they cant join left.
9) Will the shamless Cong come back to rule ditching IUML and
embracing Hindu munnani?
10) What will be the left's strategy as they are the most affected?
5 comments:
Answers from Reader- RAM How do you see Vellappalli's United Hindu front? Could you write what
you think about Nadeshan's proposal?
If hindus dont unite now, then they can follow the path of Kashmiri pundits.Only a unified hindu forum can save Kerala from the minority terrorism (with marxist support)
1) Karunakaran's comment that these guys cannot do what Pattom and Shankar couldnt do. Do you think that the scene is different today in Kerala?
Who listens to that senile witch still thinking of 1950-60? He was the main culprit in dividing the Ezhavas & Nairs (Indira gandhi technique in promotions etc). The scene is indeed different today, since there are more educated and talented hindus who understand the need for this unity for the survival of their future generations. And today in Kerala, are there any difference (socio-economic) between a Nair or an Ezhava or a Brahmin. And Karunakaran is wary since he knows , that if hindus unite then his kids - retarded Murali & Padmaja - are never going to win a single election.
2) Do you think that'll benefit the umpteen number of groups among Hindus?
Of course yes. Even Saint Sree Narayan guru had said 'sanghadichu shaktharaguvin' (Organize and get strong). Look at the kerala ministry and it's clearly dispropotionate to the population. With less than 7% vote share , Muslim league has 20% of ministries (all plum) and they are talibanizing their departments. Once hindus unite and vote together for hindu candidates only, then we should get justice. Today the biggest threat is faced by an almost ethnically cleansed Namboodiri community. Probably those who get reservation can help the poor among the 'so-called' higher communities, if they wish to. It's just a suggestion. Didnt we forget our local thattans and go to 'Alukkas' or 'Josco' for purchasing jewellery? Didnt we forget to subscribe to Keralakaumudi or Janmabhumi instead of reading venom spitting Manorama & Madhyamam & Mangalam? It is time for a Gandhian Non-cooperation. Economic boycott of minority businesses is a must for helping our local shops run by Gopalan or Keshavan. Will any minority by from Gopalan's shop if John's shop is nearby?? NEVER. Free the travancore & guruvayoor devaswoms and part of the revenue could be utilized for welfare of poor hindus. We can form a legal cell and 'Media watch' to report atrocities on our temples or even sue Media which are maligning our culture. Recently there has been a rise of 'hindu bashing' in movies produced by minorities like Lal Jose, Kamal etc. This needs to be stopped or hindus should see to it that the film flops. We also need to start family get-togethers to network and if possible bring a Swami from Sivagiri or Ramakrishan Ashram for a discourse.
3) Would that make a difference for Hindus?
Yes, we will have Equality, and social justice and there would be less suicides. Christian and Islamic fundementalism can be curbed and no future Marads.
4) Which community would call shots in the front? Will that be sustainable if say Ezhava decides?
Good question. Nowadays we see lotsa of inter-caste marriages among kerala hindus, which is a good sign. This needs to be encouraged to reduce the caste tension (artificially brought in by marxists & missionaries to LOOT us). SNDP-NSS are talking with Brahmin, Dheevara & Namboodiri sabhas for a broad unified forum. Ezhavas are getting job reservations and others dont get that. This is the only difference now. Let's see how they decide the plan of action. In SNDP-NSS, both Panicker & Natesan have been equally vocal in all matters , so hope this trend would be continued.
5) Or can they go on a roubd robin way of sharing the power?
They do not have political insterests as such (according to Nair-ezhava leaders). But making a solid vote bank to 'destroy' the fundentalism of certain Bishops, Mani, Kunjali, Jacob etc.
6) Will that reduce the dominance of, say, IUML and Kerala Cong, esp Mani?
It should. They are the communal venom , even dangerous than Marxist. So you understand their poison 'veeryam'
7) Or do you think it is better for them to stay as a separate group getting their share?
Make the 55% vote for candidates sharing Hindu interests. They should be a power group deciding the ministry and first and foremost, FREE OUR TEMPLES FROM MINORITY & marxist loot.
8) If that is the case, would they support Cong to get power? Assumption, they cant join left.
First lets DETOXIFY the kerala socio-econmic & political sectors. You can see Minority fundementalism of the highest order especially in allocation of schools, lands etc. Apartheid is shown to Hindu charities even during Tsunami. Kerala hindus are facing real APARTHEID.
9) Will the shamless Cong come back to rule ditching IUML and embracing Hindu munnani?
You didnt mention venemous Kerala Congress. Rather than coming to power, Hindu Mandalam should decide how Kerala would be ruled with their strong vote-bank. We need to do lots of 'religious conversions' of Marxists to Hinduism first and dump that party forever.
10) What will be the left's strategy as they are the most affected?
Eat Cyanide, or Mass conversion to any Indic religion.
Thanks
RAM
1. On Karunakaran's opinion: Something did make 'K' say what he did. First of all, how many of these educated and talented 'people'(forget Hindus) remain inside Kerala after education? Just for an example,from my class of 50, only about 5 are in Kerala now. I am pretty sure this is the case mostly. First thing most of us did was to take a bus to bangalore after finishing our degree. I really dont want to guess how many are going to come back to Kerala just to vote. I think what matters is this young vote, as it would be hard to change the established set minds of the older generation. This is where the importance of campus politics comes in, and I dont think I have to explain more on this to any of Rajiv's readers.
2. I think the second question is how much of grass root support does NSS and SNDP have? : I will try to explain the situation in Kollam, where I grew up.
a)SNDP has fabulous support. NSS, almost nil. And what about political parties? Almost equal with slight tilt towards left these days. This is not without reason, even I will vote for N.Premachandran if he contests. Mind you I had allergy attacks towards the organization called SFI. I dont think I can properly explain the reason for this. May be because I grew up being an admirer of his. So, if I have to vote for someone else, it has to be someone with equally creditable leadership. I am not going to vote for him just because NSS or SNDP told so. So, now the question is about finding 'creditable leadership'.
b)Half of Kollam depends on Cashew industry. I dont think NSS or SNDP have any effect at all on even one person here. So, according to me, SNDP has already lost the one city it has the most hold on. But, money can do wonderful things. Do we have to spend so much money for this cause?
c)Balakrishna Pilla: "the Lallu Yadav of Kottarakkara"
3. Benefit groups?: This is tough to answer. What exactly does 'benefit' mean here? I think it will be socially beneficial if the two groups can put money together and build more schools and upgrade the existing schools. It is intersting to note here that the most popular school in Kollam is called "Sree Narayana Publc school" but is not run by the SNDP. For me this shows that, even ezhavas realize now that everything with SNDP is not golden (atleast now with Mr.Natesan at helm).
4. On marraiges: Present society is divided into two,
a) closed, where families are against even Nair-Ezhava marraiges.
b)open, families really dont mind. But these families dont mind their children marrying a Christian or a Muslim.
5. IUML influence: What ever happens in rest of Kerala, the region from Malappuram to Kozhikkode will give IUML the same number of seats every time. So, in a hung assembly, they will defenitely call the shots. I dont know how we can prevent that. I was actually quite surprised by the results of the last LS polls. Miracles do happen from time to time.
6. Percentage game: The concept of 55% is actually mis leading. While 30% of muslims are concentrated in particular region and same is the case with Christians, Hindus in Kerala are distributed around. For example, Mallappuram to Kozhikkode and Kottayam, Wayanad, Idukki etc...
7. Free temples? : Which govt. in sane mind would do that? Do we really have to believe Mr. Natesan or Mr. Panikker would kill a golden goose? The most we can expect is taking over of all religious institutions.
8. Influence of media: Manorama is at the top because of sound marketing. We have to build a proper competitor for MM in every sense. One media no one talked about is the malayalam movies. Forget Lal Jose or Kamal. I am more worried about the clear Marxist influence. Ever noticed the number of 'revolutionary movies'? I can safely argue that the whole industry is "RED". One of these come out near every election. (Guess where Micheal Moore got his ideas from?).
Note: I am not opposing any of the ideas here. I am just trying to figure out some of the difficulties that the combine face. Heres what I think what we need,
1. SNDP should have a proper 'Swami' at its helm. A Swami who can take along the divided masses with him/her.
2. Naturally at this point the most influencial of religious leaders in Kerala is the "Amma". Having known her, she's too divine to do any moves politically. So, instead of NSS and SNDP, I think it should be "Amma" and "Karunakara Guru" who should come together. In that case the solution wont be political, but it should give us enough bargaining power.
thanks guys, for the comments. here is what i think, in general terms. the problems between nairs and ezhavas in kerala stem from only two things:
1. historical wrongs where these two castes that are closest in the hierarchy pissed each other off. read p kesavadev's classic 'ayalkar' (neighbors) to get a feel for this. but the time is clearly past for holding these grudges
2. the issue of reservations in jobs and in education. now this is a total red herring, because the jobs in government (where reservations apply) are getting to be fewer and fewer. in education, as c i issac points out, reservation is once again only in government colleges, and since 90% of education is in the hands of christians and muslims, the value of reservations is again minimal.
so when ezhavas and nairs fight, they are fighting yesterday's battles fruitlessly. both groups are idiots to not recognize this; if some leaders are able to rise above this, then they can achieve what r sankar and pattom thanu pillai could not in the earlier dispensation.
and let us understand there is no need for nairs and ezhavas to hold hands and sing 'kumbaya' by the way. the business of intercaste marriages should not be considered significant one way or the other. let those who want to do it do it, and those who do not want to also are quite sensible.
this talk of 'unity' is a tactical alliance based on maximizing each group's power. and it turns out that there's a resurgence in pan-hindu feeling, perhaps as a reaction to the obvious ways in which christians and muslims have thrived as swing voters.
let me also look at the caste issue. nairs are a 'high' sudra caste that has traditionally performed some kshatriya roles (the real kshatriyas in kerala are the 10,000 or so varmas) but have been mostly farmers and peasants. ezhavas are a 'low' sudra caste that has also traditionally performed some kshatriya roles (eg. kalari) but have been mostly peasants and laborers. some ezhavas also claim that they are outside the 'varna' system, by virtue of being 'avarnas'. according to famous historian ems namburidipad, when buddhism was replaced in kerala by resurgent hinduism, some buddhists were elevated as 'high' sudras and others were demoted as 'low' sudras, and that is the possible origin of these two castes. if you accept this theory, there is practically no difference between nairs and ezhavas: both former buddhists returning to the hindu fold.
actually, genetically, the christians of kerala are largely identical to ezhavas and nairs, as it was these two groups, esp. ezhavas who had been denied educational opportunities, who were willing to convert to christianity in the (previous) roaring conversion days of 1819 to 1930, when christians went from 6% of the population of travancore to 33%.
I have a few questions:
are you saying SNDP-NSS combine join up the BJP fold or float a new party?
Will the Ezhavas be able forget the age-old discrimination and atrocities of high cast hindus?
Ezhavas have succeeded in very well due to the reservation and progressive policies of the left? will they leave marxism to join up the aryanized party like BJP?
I disagree with the statements that Hindus are marginalized: I say Ezhavas are marginalised not the Nairs who still control Beureacracy. Will this imbalance be rectified by Nairs giving away to Ezhavas? I doubt that.
Forward castes like Nairs have still a good propostion of Jobs in excess of thier population.
The muslims and dalits including Ezhavas are under represented.
So what are the synergies between Ezhavas and Nairs: I say ver little other than they come under the Grand fold Hinduism.
They are divided the same way latin catholics and Syrians are divided in the Christion community.
Muslims have made good amount of stride in past decades. This is not appeasement. If you look at what position they were after independence then you will undrstand that they are still backward state. We must be proud that muslims in kerala have improved thier position.
Historically beareacracy has been controlled by Nairs, business by moslems and agriculture by Ezhavas and Christians. Trend is still continuing.
Narendran commitee report say that SC/ST and muslims are still underepresented in the job sector. this will show that muslims are still backward educationally.
what about SC/ST arent they Hindus too? Or as usual we ignore our Hidu brothers because they are not of our caste?
So I belive it is better for Ezhavas to remain with CPI(M)..who has a history of helping them rather than Nairs who has always been seen as tormentors. Likewise it is better for Nairs to yield thier influence with Congress, the traditional uppercaste party.
Dear Ram and other members, Forget all those what happened earlier. Its now our turn to do something for the next generation. We shall form a strong base starting from members of our own family (if 4 members are there in a hindu family, they may have 5 groups). Let us begin this within our own family and spread it across the state and country. We also should conduct group "meetings and prabhashans" in every small towns and villages. Let us have a planned action...(mail me back in manojnair29@gmail.com)
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