tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post112990490342879025..comments2024-03-24T12:52:31.153+05:30Comments on Shadow Warrior: economist: matrimonials and the online world; the persistence of casteUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130189875079403182005-10-25T03:07:00.000+05:302005-10-25T03:07:00.000+05:30AnonFromKerala wrote, "Someone asked me if I would...AnonFromKerala wrote, "Someone asked me if I would stop practising Christianity if he pointed out definite parts of the Bible which mention that Christ himself said that non believers would end up in hell (sorry for getting to this so late). Sure, I would."<BR/><BR/>I was the one who asked you that question.<BR/><BR/>Here goes:<BR/><BR/>Matthew 12:30 - 12:32<BR/>12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.<BR/><BR/>12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.<BR/><BR/>12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/>In Matthew 5:17, Jesus endorses the Old Testament.<BR/><BR/>5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.<BR/>---<BR/><BR/>John 3:3 - 3:5<BR/><BR/>3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.<BR/><BR/>3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?<BR/><BR/>3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.<BR/>---<BR/><BR/>Sir, it is your turn to keep your promise. I respect you, but it would be better if you behaved like intellectuals who opposed the Church. By quitting this religion which is nothing more than Arab politics, you renounce taking sides in some ancient Arab squabble and join the ranks of Bertrand Russell, George Thundiparambil, Voltaire, and similar people.<BR/><BR/>Please quit that violent religion which was intended to be a weapon for Arab imperialism but became a weapon for White imperialism. After all, conversion into Christianity is nothing but being recruited by the Army of ancient Arab politicians. There is no reason an Indian should be a foot soldier of Arab and White politicians, that too ancient ones!<BR/><BR/>As a Keralite, YOUR heritage is a rich one - Kerala is known for being associated with not one but two avatars of Vishnu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130185483591971642005-10-25T01:54:00.000+05:302005-10-25T01:54:00.000+05:30Christian Crimeline<A HREF="http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?id=1130183428&type=articles" REL="nofollow">Christian Crimeline</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130183461051737152005-10-25T01:21:00.000+05:302005-10-25T01:21:00.000+05:30(source : www.kaumudi.com) This kinda info wont co...(source : www.kaumudi.com) This kinda info wont come in english media. It's time we equated missionary works = Terrorism!<BR/><BR/><B>HC upholds GOI order deporting 3 foreigners for missionary works</B><BR/><BR/>KOCHI: The Kerala High Court on Monday dismissed a writ appeal filed by a South African national challenging the Government of India order, directing deportation of a three-member family of foreigners for indulging in religious conversions in Kerala.<BR/><BR/>The Division Bench comprising Chief Justice Rajeev Gupta and Justice K.S. Radhakrishnan ruled that the Foreigners Act did not provide for filing objections against the GOI order, issued under section 3(2)(c) of the Foreigners Act, on the basis of a report of the Ernakulam Rural Superintendent of Police, which was supported by adequate proof.<BR/><BR/>The petitioners, consisting of Pretorius Barend Johnes Pretenas of South Africa, his German wife Sylivia Christini Pretenas and their son Bjoren Pretorius of German nationality, were charged with indulging in conversion of tribals of Keerampara in Ernakulam district into Christianity.<BR/><BR/>While Pretenas filed an appeal against a single bench order, petitions were also filed on the behalf of the other two, and all the petitions were dismissed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130183131536276672005-10-25T01:15:00.000+05:302005-10-25T01:15:00.000+05:30Darkstorm,I feel honoured!That cretin(m)fills me w...Darkstorm,<BR/><BR/>I feel honoured!That cretin(m)fills me with dread and weariness.Hence decided to read and not respond.<BR/><BR/>Thank you,I am happy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130170019517625952005-10-24T21:36:00.000+05:302005-10-24T21:36:00.000+05:30Anon fromKerala!You do make sense!But, if the Chri...Anon fromKerala!<BR/>You do make sense!But, if the Christian community is not in favor of the Shrill campaigns and deceitful messages coming out of Paul Dinakaran types, why are they not distancing themeselves from these liers and monsters...<BR/>I have known this auto driver who has been earning an honest living and he suddenly became christian and built a two-storeyed building and is preaching 'Aandavar'...Yes! it is not ileegal to acept gifts! Yes he can make his choice..But lookat what the Zealots of your community are creating... a society of zombies who will do anything for the pittance coming out of the evangelist's golbal fund..<BR/>Not all is well with Hinduism! We need to abrogate Caste system as a whole! Can the learned Gurus like Dayanad saraswathi Ji and SS Ravishankar Ji do some thing?<BR/>---But Christianity is not without flaws as it is practised ! You can see alot of soul less characters calling themselves christian and amassing wealth in the most un-christian ways...I donot need to show cases of this ? DO I?<BR/>I think Hinduism is the most practical way.. Any body can practise what he believes..Yes you can preach what you believe too...DO NOT DENIGRATE THE OTHER FAITH calling them believers of false Gods!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130169005088316592005-10-24T21:20:00.000+05:302005-10-24T21:20:00.000+05:30mitra says he stands for Hindu unity, all the whil...mitra says he stands for Hindu unity, all the while throwing mud on Brahmins and making racial remarks against southern Indians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130167994326663662005-10-24T21:03:00.000+05:302005-10-24T21:03:00.000+05:30here are a few quotes from the bible. christianity...here are a few quotes from the bible. christianity has always taken these literally, not that there is any ambiguity.<BR/><BR/>Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10<BR/><BR/>A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33<BR/><BR/><BR/>You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20<BR/><BR/>Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10<BR/><BR/>Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16<BR/><BR/>Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7<BR/><BR/>Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13<BR/><BR/>Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20<BR/><BR/>Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11<BR/><BR/>Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5<BR/><BR/><BR/>Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10<BR/><BR/>Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17<BR/><BR/>Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8<BR/><BR/><BR/>Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22<BR/><BR/>Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19<BR/><BR/>The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7<BR/><BR/>Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12<BR/><BR/>False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130165847557862412005-10-24T20:27:00.000+05:302005-10-24T20:27:00.000+05:30hello all,my take on this long thread.if caste is ...hello all,<BR/><BR/>my take on this long thread.<BR/><BR/>if caste is inherent to sanatana dharma, then how come there are no caste, of course this is with some exceptions, among sri lankan, malaysian, singaporean, fijian, carribean hindus of same indian ancestory. just curious.<BR/><BR/>i think caste is more to do with societal hierarchy that it is with core principles of sanatana dharma.<BR/><BR/>i would also like to point out that caste still prevades among so called "equal brethren muslims" of pakistan and christians in india, tamil nadu in particular and of all the equals, commies of kerala and w. bengal.<BR/><BR/>caste is no different from class system that is still in place in christian europe.<BR/><BR/>so to any one who says that sanathana dharma discriminates, i say take that argument and shove it up your ass.<BR/><BR/>sivaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130163007995319042005-10-24T19:40:00.000+05:302005-10-24T19:40:00.000+05:30Kapidhwaja, I do not know whether the common entry...Kapidhwaja,<BR/> I do not know whether the common entry system into the vedic schools to all castes will solve anything, mahesh yogi tried it and see the dropouts from his vedic schools..(staggering 90%)<BR/><BR/> There were always exceptions like "Vidura" in Mahabharata who learned everything his Kshatriya counterparts learned. Those should be encouraged where people excel or have full qualifications and the discipline. Similarly for any teaching "Yogyata" is important. One is brahmin does not mean he is fit to learn or preach anything.<BR/><BR/> i 100% agree with Rajeev that present day Caste system is 70% propagation by the British and their ancestors in our Christists in India. First these have to be reversed and all PEOPLE (not castes) need to be given equal priorities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130158818394103952005-10-24T18:30:00.000+05:302005-10-24T18:30:00.000+05:30Ad hominem attacks demonstrate weakness, nothing e...<I><BR/>Ad hominem attacks demonstrate weakness, nothing else. <BR/></I><BR/>I would presume you to be quite strong, good ....But the pumped up stuff that you have been posting here is not be accepted by all, nor any deceptions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130158458134200302005-10-24T18:24:00.000+05:302005-10-24T18:24:00.000+05:30Mitra, You don't seem to recognize your attack...Mitra,<BR/> You don't seem to recognize your attacks... You think you are mature because of some half baked information. You have been indulged in slander also.<BR/><BR/> I would be more intrested to talk atheism with you, provided you show some competence. <BR/><BR/> I understand you are so good at hindu philosophy that you have become an atheist. I would have liked a simple world where people are less opprtinistic, I may not be good at hindu philosophy, but I should be what I am.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130157222978182812005-10-24T18:03:00.000+05:302005-10-24T18:03:00.000+05:30You said the problem . Now you are an atheist pers...You said the problem . Now you are an atheist person, and the atheist/Marxist church is elsewhere. You are a rationalist person, and the rationalist prophets have different things to do. Clearly Mitra, there are hindus, whom you have attacked obnoxiously here, and they have won arguments over atheists since centuries. The problem with some of the atheists is that, they would consider well qualified to talk on hinduism ? WHy ? Talk about atheisism ! You don't have to perform dozens of attacks before mentioning your atheist religion.<BR/><BR/> I say this because, the macaulayite class also fakes atheism, when they think it makes better business sense to sell to the powerful. They got everything from hinduism, but changed their church, and want more oppurtinities. What a shame !<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Also; while I am an atheist myself, I consider Hinduism to be least BS of all religions( other Eastern religions score well too). The pantheistic philosophy of Hinduism is ultimately no different from atheism. If god is immanent in everything, then god is nothing but existence. Hinduism remains the best choice for a rational person who has to have some religion in this world.<BR/></I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130156119631695582005-10-24T17:45:00.000+05:302005-10-24T17:45:00.000+05:30There is a macaulayite class who has sold out hind...<I><BR/>There is a macaulayite class who has sold out hinduism by being good and nice to sundry, it is the RSS guys , which fought for hinduism.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/> One should be fine if a hindu does whatever in his personal capacity. But there is this mafia who controll the hindus for their masters elsewhere. I don;t see much intrest by Mitra in learning hinduism, instead he has started his attacks, as if he is a superior being, but that is also questionable from his information.<BR/><BR/> There is this attitude that if you know half an european philosophy book, then you are good enough to trash entire hinduism. Talk of hindu unity ? United hindus for service of which comrades ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130155612173247612005-10-24T17:36:00.000+05:302005-10-24T17:36:00.000+05:30you have to be born a Hindu to be a Hindu; you can...<I><BR/>you have to be born a Hindu to be a Hindu; you cannot become a Hindu by conversion.<BR/></I><BR/> This is as if looking from a centrally administered perspective. Hinduism is not to be justified ithin this. The thing is, there is no value to attaching somebody to any sort of organization, hen it is done for ulterior purposes it is contradictory to hinduism. There have been people who follow hinduism, though not born into. But this hole idea of playinh with mass sentiments is not there in hinduism - some european ideologies are strong at that ( Because of handling the masses in colonies ??)<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>its paranoia and shrill propaganda are making Hindus look like Fascists, which they are not. <BR/></I><BR/> The culprits are those who campaign against hinduism. There is a macaulayite class who has sold out hinduism by being good and nice to sundry, it is the RSS guys , which fought for hinduism.<BR/><BR/> How could you slander the word hindutwa, and then stand for hinduism, when your language is being hizacked ?? Is it because nehruvian stalinists have made it convenient ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130154095536145582005-10-24T17:11:00.000+05:302005-10-24T17:11:00.000+05:30Wow! How come mitra has become sane and has starte...Wow! How come mitra has become sane and has started talking sense? Is it a case of the devil quoting the scriptures? I wonder. Though it doesnt absolve mitra from being an abhorent racist, especially his despicable attitude towards southern Indians and Brahmins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130132462212672932005-10-24T11:11:00.000+05:302005-10-24T11:11:00.000+05:30It is only when they started "converting" in drove...<I><BR/>It is only when they started "converting" in droves did the Hindu religious leadership even start talking about the caste system (that the Nizhal Yoddha loves)."<BR/></I><BR/> Nope, they found that the 'evil' in caste system because it was a hindrance in conversion to the church in name of their god or prophet. It is only after attacking it they converted the hindus in any significant scale. All the while they were also trading in slaves, and converting them to christism too.<BR/><BR/> <BR/><I><BR/>The issue at hand is can Christian missionaries preach their religion? In a free society the answer would be yes.<BR/></I><BR/> Agreed. In a free society if Christians make it a habit to denigrate something else because of their false arrogance, then one should also be allowed to criticize them. If the missionaries spread so much slander on the hindus, then hindus should be allowed to expose the evil pope who runs things like an empire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130132293219131172005-10-24T11:08:00.000+05:302005-10-24T11:08:00.000+05:30"When products are advertised is somebody inhibiti...<B>"When products are advertised is somebody inhibiting your ability to shop? How will you even know that there exists an alternative if you don't know (i) that there are alternatives and (ii) what the alternatives are? It is a free society precisely because you can listen (or not) to the alternatives and choose for yourself. I seriously doubt that there are preachers hounding at your doors demanding you change your religion. For the record, forced conversion to another religion and forced re-conversion from another religion are both wrong."</B><BR/><BR/>This is the sad thing about christism -- it is an industry, with huge capital and very savvy marketing! They don't solve problems they create them, more and more in non-white lands to plunder the bio-diversity and subjugate the colored ones (as one anon pointed out earlier -- Bishop Tutu's statement). An we have our own colored bretheren batting for these subversive foreigners, inebreiated in the marketing spin and the pseudo white status; thereby causing an entire civilization to lose its strategic value -- the value of tolerance and pluralism. Interestingly, recently a Muslim conclave in Bombay had the borad-mindedness to admint that it is because of the Hindus that India was secular!<BR/><BR/>christist anon, wrt to Hindus caste is not the problem, casteism is! Wrt to India, Hindu Dharma is not the problem, christists and islamists are!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130130838310802622005-10-24T10:43:00.000+05:302005-10-24T10:43:00.000+05:30Hey, They gave only a written letter? They didnt ...Hey,<BR/> They gave only a written letter? They didnt turn up at court? Now you are going against the Indian judicial system. <BR/> I certainly didnt feel the preacher was just presenting an option. A more correct way to put his methods would be persuation. Which I think is also wrong. <BR/> In a free society I wouldnt have to listen to something I dont have to, which is certainly not the case in India. Do you really mean to say a christian preacher intends only to present an alternative when he says Jesus is the "only" savior? <BR/> Also, if I were to compare preaching to ads, its like a Pepsi ad against a 'Kulirma' drinks ad. <BR/> Further extending an ad, he is not saying his product is so much times better than mine. What he basically says is mine is not a product at all. So, I think the comparison of religion to an ad is vey poor. <BR/> Now, the actual situation is not as simple as this. A modern day preacher comes in different forms and his techniques are very tactful. For example, in my case this happened to be one of my professors during my bachelors!!!<BR/> This guy puts out an invitation to students to his house. As a freshman, I had no idea what I had in store. The first gathering was large had a general collection of freshmen and nothing specific was said. But during subsequent gatherings, the topic of discussion would slowly change to religion and beliefs. Now, a freshman student is no match in debate against a trained preacher. Now, the problem is I have him as one of my teachers. So, how can I just stop, or what reason do I give if I were to stop? Luckily for me, I got transfer to another college after one month. <BR/> I came to know about other stories next year. e.g. This prof. became the 'incharge' for hostels. Citing a shortage of rooms, first year girls were made to stay in a nearby hostel run by nuns. (The college is about 60 years old. As if there were no previous first year girls coming into the college). <BR/> Another incident that comes to my mind immedeatly is a bus journey I had from Kottayam to Kothamangalam (both places in kerala). The passenger on the next seat started talking about how great christainity is and why not I conver to it. All I wanted to do was to sleep. I got so irritated, I actually shouted at the person. This is what I mean by infringement on my freedom. <BR/> Further stories of preaching activity is there for all of us to read in archives of this blog.prasankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340676327258670920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130128835121727492005-10-24T10:10:00.000+05:302005-10-24T10:10:00.000+05:30In a free society... When a preacher is advertisin...In a free society... When a preacher is advertising by saying bad things about my religion, can I shoot/burn him. Hey its a free society. Dude, there are obligations and responsibilities too. The majority have given you the right to pracice your religion. So STFU(shut the fuck up) and practice it. yes, numbers matter and I hate the numbers in my religion reducing for various reasons. <BR/>You cannot justify what you want(Evangelism, allurement, etc) and then say our actions are against free society. the bottom line is if you want harmony stop evangelism now. Indian society doesn't like evangelism. the aspects of islam/christianity or any other religion is out there and the citizens don't need paid pimps to propogate it. if they want to convert they will do it of their own accord. u can shout all u want about free society and the freedom to evangelize, but we don't like it and when we r damn pissed u will see the reaction. <BR/><BR/>don't freaking bring in casteism to justify conversion. It wasn't as cruel as it is made out to be. It is just being exaggerated for the purpose of politics, to makes us defensive and I wouldn't be surprised if the fucking evangelists are doing it.<BR/><BR/><I>"It is only when they started "converting" in droves did the Hindu religious leadership even start talking about the caste system (that the Nizhal Yoddha loves)."</I><BR/><BR/>NO, NO, NO...STFU again. we saw the evils of caste system much before conversion dude. We started cleaning it up much before. I don't know the exact dates... but check it up. Indian society have had rebels and movements against the caste system very often and since a long time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130124338684727062005-10-24T08:55:00.000+05:302005-10-24T08:55:00.000+05:30When a Christian preacher comes to me and asks me ...<I>When a Christian preacher comes to me and asks me to convert my religion, he is basically denying my right to practice my religion of choice.Hence, evangelism should not be allowed in a free society.</I><BR/><BR/>When products are advertised is somebody inhibiting your ability to shop? How will you even know that there exists an alternative if you don't know (i) that there are alternatives and (ii) what the alternatives are? It is a free society precisely because you can listen (or not) to the alternatives and choose for yourself. I seriously doubt that there are preachers hounding at your doors demanding you change your religion. For the record, forced conversion to another religion and forced re-conversion from another religion are both wrong. <BR/><BR/><I>This has happened with me where a preacher has denigrated my religion for me to choose his religion. From what limited knowledge I have, all the anti-conversion laws are against this type of conversions and does not prevent anyone from practising a religion of choice.</I><BR/><BR/>"Denigrating" another religion for the sake of conversion is wrong. Most preachers realize that "denigrating" another religion does not win converts to their own religion. But then "denigrating", like beauty, lies in the beholder and is relative. (The only time it works is when it is done under threat of occupation and domination - both of which are not true in India). I don't see how preaching a different religion inhibits your ability to follow any religion of your choice, either. The anti-conversion laws are one-sided: for instance,<BR/>in Madhya Pradesh, one of the States in which the anti-conversion had been enacted decades ago, two priests and a nun were sentenced to imprisonment on the charge of forcible conversion by a Raigarh court. This despite a written communication sent to the District Magistrate, the SDM and the SO (Police) claiming they had changed their religion voluntarily and without any allurement. So what is inducement, what is denigration, what is voluntary? - as far as the law is concerned, it is very subjective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130119533327287942005-10-24T07:35:00.000+05:302005-10-24T07:35:00.000+05:30to the anno who defended evangelism, When a chris...to the anno who defended evangelism,<BR/> When a christian preacher comes to me and asks me to convert my religion, he is basically denying my right to practice my religion of choice. Hence, evangelism should not be allowed in a free society. A christian preacher has no right to tell me what to follow. Its my conscience. right? So, in a free society they have no place. This has happened with me where a preacher has denigrated my religion for me to choose his religion. From what limited knowledge I have, all the anti-conversion laws are against this type of conversions and does not prevent anyone from practising a religion of choice. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.prasankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340676327258670920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130116700414802902005-10-24T06:48:00.000+05:302005-10-24T06:48:00.000+05:30There are different churches in USA catering to im...There are different churches in USA catering to immigrants from different parts of the world. Some Catholic Churches in San Antonio have bilingual masses because of the number of Hispanic immigrants. As for WASPs and the perceived "caste" system in the US a bit of fantasazing helps huh? No doubt that the latest American census has interracial couples and Hispanics outnumbering the WASPs giving a blow to your theory. BTW, the Kennedy family was never considered "WASP". Your question of marriage to a Kennedy Family member is like asking if a Muslim or an Ezhava Hindu can marry into Murali Manohar Joshi's family. Arnold Schwazzeneger is not a WASP either. There is a difference between class and caste.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130115489225305012005-10-24T06:28:00.000+05:302005-10-24T06:28:00.000+05:30So , who advocates conversions here. Can any Chris...<I>So , who advocates conversions here. Can any Christian or Muslim here care to answer. Does conversion provide salvation. I believe you just change your set of beliefs, by converting(or raise /lower your level of intolerance). You exchange one set of truth and lies for another set of truth and lies. <BR/>Do you think converting will take you to the heavens, or provide salvation or give you 77 young boys (and in very few cases, 77 virgins). Then why are Muslim Dalits claiming backward caste status, and Christians called Dalits. I thought there is no caste system in mono-theistic religions. Can anyone tell me what is wrong with worshipping idols. Dont Christians worship idols of Jesus (seen in churches), or the wooden cross. Dont Muslims pray to a stone building in some desert of arabia. Isnt there a stone box (or whatever it is ), covered with green cloth in mosques, which muslims worship. </I><BR/><BR/>What do you mean "advocates conversion"? AFAIK no Hindu claims that he can believe in Christ and remain a Hindu or believe in Mohammed and be a Hindu. Or are you saying that you can worship Christ and Mohammed in a Hindu setting?<BR/>The issue at hand is can Christian missionaries preach their religion? In a free society the answer would be yes. Then comes the issue of "conversion". If I were from religion X and find that religion Y appears more convincing, then I should be able to change my religion (conversion) without government interference. This a question of conscience and free thought. How can any "government agent" assess the validity of my conversion? It is not their "right" nor the "right" of the Indian public or the "right" of an Indian court to assess an Indian citizen's conscience. Besides it would make sense if all conversions are treated the same way - say like a marriage license, but they are not. The anti-conversion law is thus slanted against Christian conversion and the same laws are not applied where there is a re-conversion back to Hinduism. That the Nizhal Yoddha can back "choice" in software but not religion is not just laughable but ironic - choice in some matters but not all. Must be the neo-liberal catch phrase of his times.<BR/><BR/>In a land like India where prejudices are deep seated, Dalits are the lowest strata of Indian society. In a predominantly Hindu society the religion of the Dalits does not matter. The reason they "converted" to other religions was because of the real or perceived indifference of their Hindu brethren to their plight. It is only when they started "converting" in droves did the Hindu religious leadership even start talking about the caste system (that the Nizhal Yoddha loves). The arguments that Muslims do not have caste and Christians do not have caste therefore Dalits from these religions should not get government-based reservations (because of their religion) is ridiculous in a predominantly Hindu society. <BR/><BR/>As for idols and wooden cross - no Christians do not pray to the wooden cross or to the idols of Jesus. The Muslims don't pray to a stone building and the stonebox cannot be considered an idol anymore than any wooden bench is an idol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130059226161064192005-10-23T14:50:00.000+05:302005-10-23T14:50:00.000+05:30How can we expect Hindu Unity to come about if 90%...<I>How can we expect Hindu Unity to come about if 90% Hindus are not allowed to read the basic teaxts.<BR/></I><BR/> What exactly a hindu unity would serve, if collectively they would look to Max Mueller , Commie plants, traitors and anti-hindus ? 100% of the people were allowed to read advanced texts, advanced when measured to current hindu idea about himself. Unfortunately it has gone to the point when it doesn't matter whether you are Mitra or Mitro-Khin( now what relation Mitra has with Arya.. ? You are not worth a clue even..). So hat hindu unity you are talking of ? when such educated people who can access Harvard websight would say that 100% hindus didn't know all of hinduism, atleast in theory ( they were denied many rituals and stuff like that), then you pity yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7813749.post-1130058646859896472005-10-23T14:40:00.000+05:302005-10-23T14:40:00.000+05:30Even if Aryans and Dravidians existed in the past,...<I><BR/>Even if Aryans and Dravidians existed in the past, they dont exist today. All Indians are mixed by now. Noone can claim to be the victim or conqueror. The only "victims(original people)" are the Negritos of A&N Islands.<BR/></I><BR/>So you think the Maoists can't be victim ? why ? Do you think the commies can't be liberators? Are you the same Mitro-Khin who was talking of brain biology ?<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>.....or is it just hearsay being propagated? Can anyone even point out British Govt support for Max Muller? <BR/></I><BR/> Sell yourself to some of these secular specialists for few nights. They will tell you about Max Mueller and the story. If you are the same Mitro-Khin who talked of brain and stuff, then Rajeev Has mentioned this already the issue, I can only advise that you gave to carry some anti-infection protection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com